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2022 Jun 1, 11:18am 6,432 views 98 comments

I have been thinking about this for a while again and here are my thoughts, take for what they are worth...

1. Many Patnetters think that because Ukraine is supported by Bidet and the rest of WEF types, it must mean that Ukrainians must be WEF/Bidet supporters. Please remember Afghanistan in 1980's...this is the best analogy. Tell people that help you what they want to hear to get what you want from them. Note gay marriage is illegal in Ukraine etc.
2. One issue that I am struggling with is why Putin attacked Ukraine at time which was most suitable for our ruling class (this took heat away from Bidet and his Euro counterparts from inflation and horribly mismanaged artificial pLandemic). I have few possible explanations and I will list them in order of decreasing probability.
A. Putin is in cahoots with WEF crowd. Ukrainians and Russians suffer in this battle of pawns. He was asked to attack at this particular time.
B. Putin has lost his abilities of cold calculation that he had all these years. Either age or cancer.
C. Coincidence - but those are almost nonexistent.
3. About judging what the hell happens on ground in Ukraine. Dont listen to ghosts of Kiyiv or Zerohedge (which BTW is a CNN of the East aka filial of RT). Look at https://nitter.mstdn.social/oryxspioenkop and see where and what losses are listed for each side. Captured or abandoned equipment means that the other side is advancing in that region. Read also https://nitter.mstdn.social/newkc14 which is Chechen Al Nusra - they dont lie although they favor Ukrainians. News such as "ghost of Kiyiv downed 35 Russian planes" or "Ukrainians desert and surrender en masse" are clickbait for idiots.
4. It is clear that Russian goals (assuming the idea was to defeat Ukraine and not distract Western popular opinion from covid and transfer $$$ to Rayethon) were not achieved. You can see for yourself how did it go for them. From destroying Nazi govt and not letting it join NATO it has morphed to "liberating" a few districts and withdrawing from swaths of central Ukraine with thousands dead. Incidentally, Russia will get a new 1000 mile border with NATO in Finland 150 miles from its biggest city St Petersburg. This is not WINNING!!! and Putin the great has crapped his own pants.
5. It is clear that war in Ukraine is not a US war. Let Europe help Ukraine and sell arms to them. It is also clear that Scholz and his W. European counterparts are typical soy persons, contrary to Poles and the rest of East Europeans (we need to discuss if aggression has to be met by physical force -quote by soyScholtz). Perhaps Poland has to occupy half of Germany. I am sure they could do it rather bloodlessly.
6. Russian atrocities. While we cant believe much if what Ukr or NYT say, Russian track record in Chechnya where they killed a fifth of population means that this is likely happening in Ukraine as well. If/when Ukrainians get into Russia, it will be the same - this is Eastern Europe with specific habits.
7. How will this end. Either this will be a festering conflict for years where one side moves 5 miles here and other side moves 10 miles there, or one of the sides will have an internal collapse/revolution.
8. Opinion of persons who dont speak Russian/ukrainian and are not familiar with the region but feel important enough to analyze situation is quite funny, esp after they show lack of simple knowledge about geography, habits, and populations of the region...
9. I hope Ukrainians win, for 2 major reasons: Russia attacked them twice so they deserve their ass being kicked, and if Ukr win, I suspect NATO in Europe will collapse...this is chatter I hear from E Europe.

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Bd6r 2022 Jun 4, 6:42am

PeopleUnited says

Bidet Regime is part of a *successful criminal syndicate*.

Will not be succesful for long any more methinks

Bd6r 2022 Jun 4, 6:58am

And proponents of BUT PUTIN IS PROTECTOR OF CHRISTIAN VALUES should read the following

Russia has bombed and destroyed the wooden monastery of All Saints in Svyatogorsk Lavra today. It was built by local carpenters from massive pine logs and decorated with carvings in the ancient traditions of Russian wooden architecture of the 16th-17th centuries.

PeopleUnited 2022 Jun 4, 7:06am

Bd6r says

PeopleUnited says
Bidet Regime is part of a *successful criminal syndicate*.

Will not be succesful for long any more methinks

Perhaps, but that just means something more ruthless is waiting in the wings. Bidet is no defender of Christian values either. And by 2035 we will probably see people with Christian values tortured and killed for their beliefs in western nations just like they are in China, and other satanic strongholds.

12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Bd6r 2022 Jun 4, 8:13am

PeopleUnited says

Bidet is no defender of Christian values either.

He's a good ad for depends, and nothing else - no values whatsoever at this point, and I am not sure if there were any values at any point of his life.

Bd6r 2022 Jun 4, 1:06pm

DooDahMan says

utterly unclear why the US has not sanctioned the export of high-tech electronic and optical systems to Russia

Do I really need to tell you why @DooDahMan or is this a rhetorical question?

Patrick 2022 Jun 4, 1:22pm

I don't see why either. Why hasn't the US sanctioned the export of high-tech electronic and optical systems to Russia?

Bd6r 2022 Jun 4, 1:56pm

Patrick says

I don't see why either. Why hasn't the US sanctioned the export of high-tech electronic and optical systems to Russia?

@Patrick
You are so naive it is endearing. Which type of policy brings the most PROFIT!!! to rayethon boeing and the likes?

Patrick 2022 Jun 4, 1:57pm

But the US has imposed sanctions on Russia which have hurt other US industries. So exempting Raytheon and Boeing would be inconsistent.

Bd6r 2022 Jun 4, 2:04pm

Patrick says

But the US has imposed sanctions on Russia which have hurt other US industries. So exempting Raytheon and Boeing would be inconsistent.

I m not quite sure if other companies are really hurting as the sanctions are laughable.

Bd6r 2022 Jun 4, 2:31pm

DooDahMan says

shortages" "brought about by the war"

Would be more precise

richwicks 2022 Jun 4, 2:39pm

Bd6r says

That is contrary to facts. They tried to finish it in 3 days and failed.

When did Russia ever say this? When did Russia EVER talk about their war plans?

Bd6r says

Now they fail to move even in Donbass substantially. They needed years and years to squash Chechnya, and somehow now Ukraine goes according to their plans? Stop thinking of Putin as a fucking genius - may be he was, but not any more. He is a leader of a failed criminal syndicate.

Every government is a criminal syndicate.

But if you think Russia is bad, what does that make the United States? Mother fuckers have been in 20 years of war and is STILL in fucking war. You don't even know who the fuck they are currently bombing.

The US - the land of the king hypocrite.

richwicks 2022 Jun 4, 2:43pm

Patrick says

But the US has imposed sanctions on Russia which have hurt other US industries. So exempting Raytheon and Boeing would be inconsistent.

When has the United States ever shown any consistency?

Remember who our real rulers are - the Federal Reserve - they create as much money as they wish, and they aren't audited. They are wealthy beyond imagination, they only exist for power now.

Everything they do is to increase their power, and our traitorous government is a servant to them, not to industry, not to corporations, not to us. Just the Federal Reserve.

Bd6r 2022 Jun 4, 2:53pm

richwicks says

When did Russia ever say this? When did Russia EVER talk about their war plans?

Try reading Russian internets in Russian, they are illuminating. I gave a link on patnet showing that they did talk about occupation of major cities. I would not trust media in English about this.
richwicks says

The US - the land of the king hypocrite.

Every gubbermint in the world

DooDahMan says

Well when’s the last white people you can remember that we bombed?

Serbians come to my mind, circa 1995

Al_Sharpton_for_President 2022 Jun 4, 4:25pm

Bd6r says

Serbians come to my mind, circa 1995

By NATO.

richwicks 2022 Jun 4, 4:36pm

Bd6r says

richwicks says
When did Russia ever say this? When did Russia EVER talk about their war plans?

Try reading Russian internets in Russian, they are illuminating. I gave a link on patnet showing that they did talk about occupation of major cities. I would not trust media in English about this.

Don't point to a fucking haystack and tell me to look for a needle. If you don't have a link, fuck off. I don't consider you trustworthy or honest. I don't waste any time dismissing your bullshit.

Bd6r says

richwicks says
The US - the land of the king hypocrite.

Every gubbermint in the world

Yes, every government is hypocritical, but we're the Empire of Lies. Our hypocrisy is staggering. That's why George W. Bush said this:

original link

If you listen closely, he says "Iraq too" as well. That mother fucker should be hanged. The US has NO MORAL standing whatsoever now.

Our government engages OPENLY in double standards. They aren't seeking peace, they don't promote democracy, they are complete criminals. People who don't recognize that at this point, are fucking idiots.

Our government is so openly criminal it's embarrassing. There are no principles that our government won't violate. Our government tortures people, engages in false flags, murders US citizens for false flags, passes laws they enforce selectively, refuse to enforce laws when it's convenient for criminals. We have the NSA, FBI, and CIA lying to congress, we have Hillary Clinton OPENLY engaging in sedition, selling government secrets through illegal computer servers - nothing happens.

Our government is nothing but a criminal syndicate.

Bd6r 2022 Jun 4, 4:42pm

richwicks says

Don't point to a fucking haystack and tell me to look for a needle. If you don't have a link, fuck off. I don't consider you trustworthy or honest. I don't waste any time dismissing your bullshit.

I gave a quote on this thread, dont be lazy and find it or fuck off yourself. Or search Yandex in Russian instead of swearing.

richwicks 2022 Jun 4, 11:08pm

Bd6r says

I gave a quote on this thread, dont be lazy and find it or fuck off yourself.

A quote? Give me a link.

I'm not going to do any fucking work to prove you are telling the truth when consistently you have shown dishonesty.

Where's the quote? What's the problem, too much staggering effort to quote something with a link that doesn't exist in it, while you lie about having links in your quote?

You're lying is my opinion, and I'm not wasting my time to prove it.

Bd6r 2022 Jun 5, 5:18am

Here is the link from my earlier post, and dont be a lazy and potty-mouthed boy:
https://bloknot.ru/obshhestvo/chto-nam-zhdat-9-maya-pervoj-ser-eznoj-pobedy-ili-nachala-bol-shoj-vojny-923735.html

Shaman 2022 Jun 5, 7:23am

I do believe that the Russians tried a blitz at the beginning to finish the war swiftly and that it failed. This fact should not be conflated with the belief that they can’t win given a more cautious strategy (which they’ve been pursuing).

The fact remains that the only path to peace is through negotiations. Pretending that the Ukrainian irregulars are going to “beat Russia” isn’t just hopelessly naive, it’s terribly destructive, dangerous, and ruinous to the people of that region.

Al_Sharpton_for_President 2022 Jun 5, 7:25am

Nuland-Pyatt Video Restored to YouTube

The video, with more than 181,000 views, in which top U.S. officials in 2014 discuss changing the Ukrainian government, had been removed from YouTube after more than 8 years.

A video of a leaked conversation between then Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, which had been removed from YouTube, has been restored.

In the video, the two discuss changing the Ukrainian government weeks before the democratically-elected President Viktor Yanukovych was violently driven from power.

The video, posted on April 29, 2014 had 181,533 views before it was taken down on Wednesday, was among the most viewed versions of the conversation on YouTube. Eight years worth of viewer comments on the video had also been removed.

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/05/27/nuland-pyatt-video-restored-to-youtube/

Patrick 2022 Jun 5, 10:03am

Patrick says

Nuland definitely seemed to have plotted US control of Ukraine. I'd have to go back and look at interviews with her, but you could look them up as well.

Ah, that is one of the things I was semi-remembering about Nuland.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

The video, with more than 181,000 views, in which top U.S. officials in 2014 discuss changing the Ukrainian government, had been removed from YouTube after more than 8 years.

80 mell 2022 Jun 5, 10:07am

Shaman says

I do believe that the Russians tried a blitz at the beginning to finish the war swiftly and that it failed. This fact should not be conflated with the belief that they can’t win given a more cautious strategy (which they’ve been pursuing).

The fact remains that the only path to peace is through negotiations. Pretending that the Ukrainian irregulars are going to “beat Russia” isn’t just hopelessly naive, it’s terribly destructive, dangerous, and ruinous to the people of that region.

Agreed. The most egregious issue is that nobody is negotiating. They clearly want as many Ukrainians and Russians to die as possible. Asshoes!

PeopleUnited 2022 Jun 5, 10:16am

Shaman says

I do believe that the Russians tried a blitz at the beginning to finish the war swiftly and that it failed. This fact should not be conflated with the belief that they can’t win given a more cautious strategy (which they’ve been pursuing).

The fact remains that the only path to peace is through negotiations. Pretending that the Ukrainian irregulars are going to “beat Russia” isn’t just hopelessly naive, it’s terribly destructive, dangerous, and ruinous to the people of that region.

It is true, the war can end today if Ukraine will compromise and accept a diplomatic solution.

But Ukraine’s leaders are owned by the western crime syndicate, and it is helping them achieve their goals of world government. They (globalists) are ruining the middle class and poor people of the world with high food and fuel prices and blaming the Russians. It’s called depopulation. enslavement of the survivors is the endgame. This is the second to last chapter in the book. The next chapter is so ugly, those who lives to see it will wish they didn’t.

82 tomtomtom 2022 Jun 5, 11:38am

Putin is viewd as a mega-patriotic president by the majority of Russian citizens. Please note that the majority of Russian elites lost nearly all of their assets in the western counties. That includes Putin's close circle. Nevertheless, that did not diminish their support of him. They do not trust the collective West any more and all of them are loyal to Putin (and Russia) more that ever. The majority of the current Western sanctions are poorly thought through and are counter-productive. The US politics of 90th was more harmful to Russia than of today. Stupidity of the Western Politicians (Brandon & Co) makes Putin's job much easier.

Patrick 2022 Jun 5, 11:41am

tomtomtom says

Please note that the majority of Russian elites lost nearly all of their assets in the western counties.

I have apparently lost my shares in SBER and Yandex as well. They are in an "escrow" account now. This was not Russia's doing. This is Bidet's policy to punish Americans who happen to have thought some Russian stocks were a good deal.

RWSGFY 2022 Jun 5, 1:27pm

Even the last standing (albeit on very wobbly legs) casus belli is debunked by Ruzzian propagandists themseves who begrudgingly admit that so-called "Russian speakers" actively resist attempts to "liberate" them:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1531301883628986368

PS. I wonder if Brits were similarly baffled by the fact that "English-speakers" in America were shooting at their red-coated "liberators" instead of cheering and waving Union Jacks...

85 tomtomtom 2022 Jun 5, 3:11pm

Now ask yourself: "Does Brandon (or the puppet master) want to win the war in Ukraine?" The proxy war between the US in Russia is enormously important for the future of the USA. Basically, the question can be stated as: "Does Brandon care about the future of the USA?" The unfortunate answer is "No". It is enough to look at the domestic policies to reach this conclusion. All the domestic agenda (LGBT, BLM, electric cars, etc) are short-term objectives with hugely detrimental consequences to the long-term prosperity and survival of the nation.

All the values promoted by the current administration are not sustainable. For example, they are pushing electric cars. Fine. Is the infrastructure (charging, etc) ready? No. Is the technology cost-competitive to ICE vehicles? No. Will the transition to electric cars will help the US economy? No. It never pays to be an early adopter. On top of that they tell the big oil to go away so the big oil is not drilling and building new refineries. The gas prices are high and are not going down.

Are LGBTQ and all the Diversity and Inclusion ideology of strategic benefit for the nation? No. LGBTQ kills kids. They can import labor but the can not import patriots. The diversity-based hiring instead of merit based is terrible. Just look at the current White House Spokes (or Nuland).

The war will continue during the rest of Brandon's term ... till the Burger emperor comes back.

NuttBoxer 2022 Jun 5, 10:03pm

Still seeing a lot of the same opinions that lack even recent historical perspective, and definitely lack understanding of the various three letter fronts used to run the world.

Putin is very much NWO, WEF and all the rest. See Russia's move towards a digital currency, one of the last building blocks needed to enslave us all. Ukraine is a banana republic, a failed state, and the whipping boy of every powerful country in the world right now. No one, especially Ukrainian leadership, give a shit about the people. It's a bust-out, and a money laundering mecca all at the same time. A complete fiasco only a sociopath would love.

No one gives a fuck about the Ukrainian people. No one gives a fuck about the native Russians living in Ukraine. I certainly sympathize with their plight, but we need to take care of our own shit. A big part of which involves putting a stop to our government interfering in countries half a world away.

Booger 2022 Jun 10, 4:26pm

Ukraine has outlasted Finland in 1939-1940.

Booger 2022 Jun 10, 4:29pm

China just banned Russian airplanes from flying into China.

Bd6r 2022 Jun 10, 4:30pm

Booger says

China just banned Russian airplanes from flying into China.

China does only what benefits China. I wonder what is their calculation there

90 Blue 2022 Jun 10, 5:40pm

Few Russian speakers I met recently from SF mentioned that all the people in Ukraine speak Russian except there is a small area. This is different from mainstream media narrative.

richwicks 2022 Jun 10, 5:46pm

Booger says

Ukraine has outlasted Finland in 1939-1940.

Russia is fighting a war of attrition. They aren't trying to end this war, they're trying to prolong it.

This is what they did to the US in Vietnam, were we started with "advisors" - that's the stage we are at now in Ukraine. This war is going to go on for 20 years. The objective is just to hurt NATO, and at the same time let the EU cut their own throats (well, the throats of their citizens anyhow), but depriving them on fertilizer, and energy.

Booger 2022 Jun 11, 10:00am

NuttBoxer says

No one gives a fuck about the Ukrainian people. No one gives a fuck about the native Russians living in Ukraine.

It's a proxy war. Was are stopping the Russians at relatively little cost to ourselves (compared to a real war). Either way at least part of what used to be Ukraine will end up in the EU, and possibly NATO. And if we did promise the Soviets that we would not expand to the east, that promise was made to a government that no longer exists. Just like those debts that they never repaid us after WW1.

Fuck Putin.

komputodo 2022 Jun 11, 1:18pm

Has the ukrainian army destroyed the Russian army yet? And is Russia on the verge of economic collapse?

Bd6r 2022 Jun 11, 2:06pm

Patrick 2022 Jun 11, 2:12pm

Whether the invasion was justified or not, it is a violation basic human rights to make it illegal to publicly approve it.

Whatever happened to "I disagree with what you say, sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?

Will it soon be illegal to publicly disapprove of pedophilia, or the president?

just_passing_through 2022 Jun 11, 2:19pm

The BBQ pit is a nice touch.

Ceffer 2022 Jun 11, 2:51pm

Russia's failures are gobbling up Ukrainian territory at a rate of a third of a percent a day at a cost of 200 to 1000 dead Ukrainian soldiers a day.

With failure like that, who needs success?

On to Odessa!

Ceffer 2022 Jun 11, 3:30pm

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/68262
""The Russian army already controls large parts of Ukraine, and they can suspend hostilities with a territorial advantage."

Actually, according to the latest analysis, Russia can in a few weeks have reached all the main territorial objectives once Luhansk and Donetsk breakaway Republics are secured, and the Donbas liberated.

Also, Russian forces took most coastal southern areas, and if they move west and take Mykolaiv and Odessa, they would turn Ukraine into a landlocked coutry."

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