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3   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 5, 3:49am   ↑ like (11)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
What are the complaints about the new system?

I posted an honest comment that did not attack any poster, and the poster formerly known as ironman posted this 5 minutes later.
Sniper says
YesYNot says
I posted anon for a while to contribute without all of the past baggage attached.


Yes, we noticed that along with your past baggage.

To be clear, the baggage that I was referring to is having this poster hanging about to insult me as soon as I post regardless of the content. That's not civil. Sadly, it is predictable behavior. It was bad enough when we could respond in kind. Now that there is 'moderation' it's unacceptable to me, because I'm not a masochist.

The funny thing is that I made a similar comment while not logged in, so it registered as anon. Somehow it was decided that ironman's post was fine, but this response is trolling or otherwise unworthy.
5   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 4, 11:32am   ↑ like (10)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Civility is up a bit, but still terrible frankly. The site is less useful / interesting with less posters. I posted anon for a while to contribute without all of the past baggage attached. However, it's clear that anons are 3rd class citizens around here, so that's pretty useless. If this were posted under anon, it would not make it through the filter.
6   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 7, 12:59pm   ↑ like (10)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Statistically speaking, a Senator is more likely to be used in a crime than a gun.
7   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 4, 12:38pm   ↑ like (9)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says

What are the complaints about the new system? Or is it just "we don't like moderation"?


Don't like biased moderators having the ability to stifle free speech.
8   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 4, 10:54am   ↑ like (9)   ↓ dislike (9)     quote      

So far so good. It's way better without Iwog.
9   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 5, 8:11am   ↑ like (8)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
errc says
You could better use Gorons time to zap Sniper everytime he comes back to troll the forum and harass the people that post here, rather than to selectively enforce his arbitrary rules by subjective opinions that all right wing crap flys here, while anything else must be silenced.


I've zapped Sniper's comments before. I've also zapped yours.

BayAreaObserver is about as leftist as anyone gets on PatNet, I've never had to zap any of his comments yet.

Just keep it clean. Why can't you just say what you want to without bashing someone personally? That's all PatNet moderation is asking.


Why have you never asked Sniper this same question?
10   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 4, 2:38pm   ↑ like (8)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

The SCOTUS got this one right. Trump absolutely has a right to protect the borders of the United States, in fact it's one of his primary jobs.
11   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 5, 8:34am   ↑ like (8)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says
errc says
So answer my question for once, rather than avoiding it in your usual disingenuous Goron fashion


I'll be honest, for the stuff I've encountered personally, you've been a much bigger problem from a personal attack standpoint.


All I’m doing is mimicking Sniper. Funny how once the Sniper is aimed at you, then you don’t like it.

So long as it’s directed at a “librul”, you’re happy to see it continue.

Very telling

And you still haven’t answered the question

Very telling
12   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 4, 9:45am   ↑ like (8)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Had to twist a shiv against the left in here ;)

Why?

To demonstrate what the new ‘civil’ Patnet is all about?
13   anon_80a5e   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 7, 8:58pm   ↑ like (8)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Yeah, Hillary got us Trump. No question about that. She put her personal interest ahead of the whole country.
14   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 5, 6:23am   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

YesYNot says
Goran_K says
What are the complaints about the new system?

I posted an honest comment that did not attack any poster, and the poster formerly known as ironman posted this 5 minutes later.
Sniper says
YesYNot says
I posted anon for a while to contribute without all of the past baggage attached.


Yes, we noticed that along with your past baggage.

To be clear, the baggage that I was referring to is having this poster hanging about to insult me as soon as I post regardless of the content. That's not civil. Sadly, it is predictable behavior. It was bad enough when we could respond in kind. Now that there is 'moderation' it's unacceptable to me, because I'm not a masochist.

The funny thing is that I made a s...


Things are much more civil now that most of the people with a brain have left, so that nobody will challenge the Trumpcuck nonsense, and only Conservative morons can insult other posters!

@Patrick is a Piece of Shit for ignoring the calls from so many of the people that posted here for so long, and instead allowing Trumpcucks and disingenuous mean spirited assholes with nothing interesting or of value to be said.

“Look at my truck!”
“Look at my bullets and guns!”

Fuck Patrick and his attempt to ruin patrick.net

Yea i know goron, uncivil. Put it in comments jail so that others cannot see the truth, you halfwit simple simon motherfucker
15   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 5, 7:28am   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
Patrick says
I'm going to make a special rule completely banning Sniper from using the word "you".


In fact, I'm losing it again with Sniper. Just blew away every comment he made that has "you" in it:

mysql> delete from comments where comment_content like '% you %' and comment_author=128155;
Query OK, 990 rows affected (3.45 sec)


Patrick, many of us have spent a lot of time on your site over the past twelve + years. I think you can at least give us the courtesy of a response, why have you allowed CiC/Ironman/Sniper to return?

You could better use Gorons time to zap Sniper everytime he comes back to troll the forum and harass the people that post here, rather than to selectively enforce his arbitrary rules by subjective opinions that all right wing crap flys here, while anything else must be silenced.
16   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 4, 1:01pm   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
He did, and I liberated it and suspended his ability to mark comments uncivil.

Your comment was not uncivil.


Who is Not Iwog?
17   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 5, 9:47am   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Anonymous posters are cowardly pussies who are always hiding their identities. In contrast, I am very brave, so I post with my pseudonym.
18   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 7, 8:20pm   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

I fall into the category of people almost convinced by Trump. I am so disgusted by the left, the people who comprise and defend their SJW agenda, that I would literally vote for anyone that promises to attack and destroy it. I didn't vote for him in 2016, but seeing what he has done so far:

- Stock market hitting record highs
- Participation rate up YOY
- Tax reform which helps the majority of earners and especially small business owners (like myself)
- Putting Gorsuch onto the Supreme Court
- Hundreds of billions of dollars of deals negotiated for investment DOMESTICALLY (keeping jobs here)
- Tough on illegal immigration
- Enforcing our borders
- Tough on our enemeis
- Protecting 2A gun rights for citizens
- About to pass 50 state CCW

I may vote for him in 2020, first time I've will have ever voted GOP.
20   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 5, 4:06am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I've bailed from patrick.net, although I do check it occasionally. The move towards moderation seems to be the very antithesis of what patrick.net was founded upon.
22   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 5, 8:04am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
Are you allowed to make your point?

Seems to me that you are.


what if Goron doesn't like it?
23   anon_03578   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 4, 11:20am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

2 up 4 down. Your question has been answered
24   RC2006   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 7, 9:28am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

He is probably thinking to himself "for all this I should have really grabbed some tits".
27   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 4, 4:13pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

KimJongUn says
If this was the case they would be strongly against mass immigration of poor people from 3rd world countries. But all we see from donkeys is constant clamouring for sanctuary and amnesty for illegals.


Exactly. Sanctuary Cities actually promote keeping illegals poor, and destitute. They have zero economic mobility, depend on the sanctuary government for basic needs, and if the DNC has it's way, they'll be given the right to vote. DNC playbook 101.
28   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 4, 3:04pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

This is why people voted trump in, regardless of all the publicized atrocities..
In the US government, the final word on everything goes through here...

29   anon_39f0c   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 5, 9:04am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

@patrick is there a reason why the anon post favorable to Goron is posted immediately while none of mine made all morning have been allowed through? They weren't the least bit uncivil either
30   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 4, 8:53am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Jeez I'm making boatloads of money in the market lately. Glad I didn't miss this run-up by having all my money in a house, lol! I hope it holds, but either way, it's OK.
31   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 5, 9:07am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
anon_ users should not expect much tolerance for snark, since they are in effect "hiding" and attacking users who are not hiding.


Unless that snark is directed at Hillary.. Then it's all steam ahead.
33   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 5, 7:43am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
Goran has been a good moderator.

The rule is simple and not arbitrary. Just don't deliberately personally attack the other users. Attack their points.


Yea but what is and what is not civil is purely subjective. So if you are a hard right halfwit, you will devolve to your tribal instincts and protect your tribe while attacking others.

It’s no coincidence, and was predictable as hell.

“Leftism....not even once. Ever” is not a healthy mantra of a fair and objective moderator of any politics forum
34   Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 5, 6:13pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

California state taxes are already ridiculous. Now with the loss of the state tax deduction, they are even more ridiculous.
I blame the democrats for raising my state taxes.
35   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 6, 8:24am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Patrick says
This is uncivil, being a direct attack on the character of another user:

errc says
your usual disingenuous Goron fashion


Even though it's 100% true?

I thought you said its always important to speak the truth? How can i reword it so that you deem it civil enough to allow it to avoid being censored?

Are you not a little curious why he's never asked the same question to Sniper?

"Just keep it clean. Why can't you just say what you want to without bashing someone personally? That's all PatNet moderation is asking."

Everyone posting here, yourself included, knows that all the incivility stems from Sniper harassing everyone who isn't a far right winger. Does it not seem a little bit strange that Goron asks this question of me when all I'm doing is mimicking Sniper, yet he's never asked the same of (Sniper)by far the most egregious of offenders (you've said so yourself)
36   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 6, 9:27am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says
No, Cowardly Anons should not have privileges and up/down voting should require a login of some kind.

So many Anons are alleged former posters who can't stay away, so trying to guess who the masked villain really is isn't really uncivil.


In your opinion.

However, when one is disingenuous and dishonest as all hell, and their intent is malicious, then yes it’s absolutely uncivil.
37   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 6, 10:07am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

How exactly in the fuck is "TwoScoopsMcGee" any less anonymous than anon_690833?

Patrick, Logan, and Iwog are the only posters i can recall breaking anonymity by offering up their gov name. Everyone else is an anonymous handle

Is TenPoundBass, TenOunceTrout, CaptainShuddup a cowardly villain for changing his handle multiple times?

For the life of me, I still can't fathom the importance of the screen name(aside from attaching preconceived notions to a message by emoting over the messenger). Have every post be sent from Tyler Durden, and then you've eliminated the ability for people to ignore the message, and attempt to discredit it by smearing the poster. This isn't a high school cafeteria, and I'm sorry yous weren't invited to the popular kids table at lunch.
38   mell   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 6, 10:13am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (5)     quote      

errc says
Even though it's 100% true?


This is the dangerous truth by proclamation that Iwog practices. Let me tell you where I disagree with you:

errc says
Are you not a little curious why he's never asked the same question to Sniper?
errc says
Everyone posting here, yourself included, knows that all the incivility stems from Sniper harassing everyone who isn't a far right winger. Does it not seem a little bit strange that Goron asks this question of me when all I'm doing is mimicking Sniper, yet he's never asked the same of (Sniper)by far the most egregious of offenders (you've said so yourself)


You are not doing it in the same fashion. Sniper is more subtle about what you call "harassment" and while you may feel offended, he/she hasn't posted anything grossly uncivil lately, and if he/she got censored he/she moved on to their next comment without complaining. Now I will agree with you that the current spat you're having with Goran is certainly borderline as well and some of your posts should probably not be jailed (I wouldn't if I were moderator). However there were some that were verbally pretty strong in Iwog's fashion that are not even close to what Sniper is currently posting, even if the content of his/her posts may seem a nuisance to some at times.
40   anon_72aec   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 6, 1:06pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Goran_K says
bob, knock it off with the personal attacks.


While what he said was borderline, he does have a point.

After all, what IS this post about anyway? I take it from the reference to Gadsden it has SOMETHING to do with Roy Moore but who is to say? Where did this ticket come from and why the reference to Debbie Gibson?

So who was this ticket allegedly purchased for and what is the news source? For those of us who take our news from legitimate sources and only consume 15 minutes a day - you have to wonder what dark corner of the web this came from and what is the significance?

We saw a lot of this with HRC and her "handlers" who may or may not have had a diazepam pen to ward off her Parkinson's. Merit based or not - No legitimate news would touch the subject so the Patnet doctors with way too much time on their hands spent countless hours diagnosing it.

Thus bob's underlying point has merit. Is this something legitimate that will affect those of us who scan this site but are otherwise busy with life - or is this "diazepam pen part II" where us busy folks will regret spending any time on this sort of minutiae?