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Bd6r
2022 Jun 10, 4:30pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 10, 4:30pm
Booger says
China does only what benefits China. I wonder what is their calculation there
China just banned Russian airplanes from flying into China.
China does only what benefits China. I wonder what is their calculation there
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Blue
2022 Jun 10, 5:40pm
Few Russian speakers I met recently from SF mentioned that all the people in Ukraine speak Russian except there is a small area. This is different from mainstream media narrative.
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richwicks
2022 Jun 10, 5:46pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 10, 5:46pm
Booger says
Russia is fighting a war of attrition. They aren't trying to end this war, they're trying to prolong it.
This is what they did to the US in Vietnam, were we started with "advisors" - that's the stage we are at now in Ukraine. This war is going to go on for 20 years. The objective is just to hurt NATO, and at the same time let the EU cut their own throats (well, the throats of their citizens anyhow), but depriving them on fertilizer, and energy.
Ukraine has outlasted Finland in 1939-1940.
Russia is fighting a war of attrition. They aren't trying to end this war, they're trying to prolong it.
This is what they did to the US in Vietnam, were we started with "advisors" - that's the stage we are at now in Ukraine. This war is going to go on for 20 years. The objective is just to hurt NATO, and at the same time let the EU cut their own throats (well, the throats of their citizens anyhow), but depriving them on fertilizer, and energy.
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Booger
2022 Jun 11, 10:00am
Booger
2022 Jun 11, 10:00am
NuttBoxer says
It's a proxy war. Was are stopping the Russians at relatively little cost to ourselves (compared to a real war). Either way at least part of what used to be Ukraine will end up in the EU, and possibly NATO. And if we did promise the Soviets that we would not expand to the east, that promise was made to a government that no longer exists. Just like those debts that they never repaid us after WW1.
Fuck Putin.
No one gives a fuck about the Ukrainian people. No one gives a fuck about the native Russians living in Ukraine.
It's a proxy war. Was are stopping the Russians at relatively little cost to ourselves (compared to a real war). Either way at least part of what used to be Ukraine will end up in the EU, and possibly NATO. And if we did promise the Soviets that we would not expand to the east, that promise was made to a government that no longer exists. Just like those debts that they never repaid us after WW1.
Fuck Putin.
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komputodo
2022 Jun 11, 1:18pm
komputodo
2022 Jun 11, 1:18pm
Has the ukrainian army destroyed the Russian army yet? And is Russia on the verge of economic collapse?
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Patrick
2022 Jun 11, 2:12pm
Patrick
2022 Jun 11, 2:12pm
Whether the invasion was justified or not, it is a violation basic human rights to make it illegal to publicly approve it.
Whatever happened to "I disagree with what you say, sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?
Will it soon be illegal to publicly disapprove of pedophilia, or the president?
Whatever happened to "I disagree with what you say, sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?
Will it soon be illegal to publicly disapprove of pedophilia, or the president?
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 11, 2:51pm
Ceffer
2022 Jun 11, 2:51pm
Russia's failures are gobbling up Ukrainian territory at a rate of a third of a percent a day at a cost of 200 to 1000 dead Ukrainian soldiers a day.
With failure like that, who needs success?
On to Odessa!
With failure like that, who needs success?
On to Odessa!
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 11, 3:30pm
Ceffer
2022 Jun 11, 3:30pm
https://t.me/WeTheMedia/68262
""The Russian army already controls large parts of Ukraine, and they can suspend hostilities with a territorial advantage."
Actually, according to the latest analysis, Russia can in a few weeks have reached all the main territorial objectives once Luhansk and Donetsk breakaway Republics are secured, and the Donbas liberated.
Also, Russian forces took most coastal southern areas, and if they move west and take Mykolaiv and Odessa, they would turn Ukraine into a landlocked coutry."
""The Russian army already controls large parts of Ukraine, and they can suspend hostilities with a territorial advantage."
Actually, according to the latest analysis, Russia can in a few weeks have reached all the main territorial objectives once Luhansk and Donetsk breakaway Republics are secured, and the Donbas liberated.
Also, Russian forces took most coastal southern areas, and if they move west and take Mykolaiv and Odessa, they would turn Ukraine into a landlocked coutry."
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1. Many Patnetters think that because Ukraine is supported by Bidet and the rest of WEF types, it must mean that Ukrainians must be WEF/Bidet supporters. Please remember Afghanistan in 1980's...this is the best analogy. Tell people that help you what they want to hear to get what you want from them. Note gay marriage is illegal in Ukraine etc.
2. One issue that I am struggling with is why Putin attacked Ukraine at time which was most suitable for our ruling class (this took heat away from Bidet and his Euro counterparts from inflation and horribly mismanaged artificial pLandemic). I have few possible explanations and I will list them in order of decreasing probability.
A. Putin is in cahoots with WEF crowd. Ukrainians and Russians suffer in this battle of pawns. He was asked to attack at this particular time.
B. Putin has lost his abilities of cold calculation that he had all these years. Either age or cancer.
C. Coincidence - but those are almost nonexistent.
3. About judging what the hell happens on ground in Ukraine. Dont listen to ghosts of Kiyiv or Zerohedge (which BTW is a CNN of the East aka filial of RT). Look at https://nitter.mstdn.social/oryxspioenkop and see where and what losses are listed for each side. Captured or abandoned equipment means that the other side is advancing in that region. Read also https://nitter.mstdn.social/newkc14 which is Chechen Al Nusra - they dont lie although they favor Ukrainians. News such as "ghost of Kiyiv downed 35 Russian planes" or "Ukrainians desert and surrender en masse" are clickbait for idiots.
4. It is clear that Russian goals (assuming the idea was to defeat Ukraine and not distract Western popular opinion from covid and transfer $$$ to Rayethon) were not achieved. You can see for yourself how did it go for them. From destroying Nazi govt and not letting it join NATO it has morphed to "liberating" a few districts and withdrawing from swaths of central Ukraine with thousands dead. Incidentally, Russia will get a new 1000 mile border with NATO in Finland 150 miles from its biggest city St Petersburg. This is not WINNING!!! and Putin the great has crapped his own pants.
5. It is clear that war in Ukraine is not a US war. Let Europe help Ukraine and sell arms to them. It is also clear that Scholz and his W. European counterparts are typical soy persons, contrary to Poles and the rest of East Europeans (we need to discuss if aggression has to be met by physical force -quote by soyScholtz). Perhaps Poland has to occupy half of Germany. I am sure they could do it rather bloodlessly.
6. Russian atrocities. While we cant believe much if what Ukr or NYT say, Russian track record in Chechnya where they killed a fifth of population means that this is likely happening in Ukraine as well. If/when Ukrainians get into Russia, it will be the same - this is Eastern Europe with specific habits.
7. How will this end. Either this will be a festering conflict for years where one side moves 5 miles here and other side moves 10 miles there, or one of the sides will have an internal collapse/revolution.
8. Opinion of persons who dont speak Russian/ukrainian and are not familiar with the region but feel important enough to analyze situation is quite funny, esp after they show lack of simple knowledge about geography, habits, and populations of the region...
9. I hope Ukrainians win, for 2 major reasons: Russia attacked them twice so they deserve their ass being kicked, and if Ukr win, I suspect NATO in Europe will collapse...this is chatter I hear from E Europe.