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Shaman
2022 Jun 1, 11:35am
Shaman
2022 Jun 1, 11:35am
How about the French NATO general’s article where he says that Ukraine was the aggressor? ZELENSKYY set a goal a year ago to recapture Crimea for Ukraine. He also brought the Nazi brigades into the regular army and set them to harassing the ethnic Russians in the Donbas region. In February a large number of Ukraine military had surrounded the Donbas and were preparing to invade and kill and wipe out the people there. I figure Putin had a choice at this point:
1)stand back and watch as Ukraine Nazis committed genocide in the Donbas against ethnic Russians pleading for help.
2)Invade and teach the naughty Ukrainians a lesson.
The problem was that the USA and WEF supported the Ukraine no matter what they did, and sent many weapons and money which has propped up Ukraine far beyond the natural ending point for this war.
Ukraine won’t win. They can’t. They’re losing badly. It’s just a proxy war now for our oligarchs with Russia. And our leaders don’t care how many Ukrainians have to die to prove their point.
1)stand back and watch as Ukraine Nazis committed genocide in the Donbas against ethnic Russians pleading for help.
2)Invade and teach the naughty Ukrainians a lesson.
The problem was that the USA and WEF supported the Ukraine no matter what they did, and sent many weapons and money which has propped up Ukraine far beyond the natural ending point for this war.
Ukraine won’t win. They can’t. They’re losing badly. It’s just a proxy war now for our oligarchs with Russia. And our leaders don’t care how many Ukrainians have to die to prove their point.
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Patrick
2022 Jun 1, 11:37am
Patrick
2022 Jun 1, 11:37am
Bd6r says
I don't believe that the Ukrainian people are WEF/Bidet supporters, but I do believe that the current US-installed Ukrainian government is entirely owned by and corrupted by the WEF and the sons of Bidet, Pelosi, Romney, etc.
I think Putin chose this time to attack because the Bidet administration is, first of all weaker than the previous administration because Bidet is so corrupt and senile, and secondly because the corrupt Bidet administration was foolishly pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and install missiles on Russia's border.
I really can't tell what's going on on the ground in Ukraine. "Truth is the first casualty of war."
It does seem that the Russians have been withdrawing to the Donbass region and not able to actually defeat the US government's proxy power in Kiev. This is not a complete loss, since Russia will gain territory and can claim to have protected the ethnic Russian majority of that region.
Bd6r says
I think just the opposite. It is entirely a US war, provoked by the the US-funded and organized regime change in Kiev. The Europeans were not the instigators of that.
I can't tell about the atrocities either. Both sides have an interest in blaming the other site no matter what the truth is.
I think it will end with Russia slowly consolidating control over the Donbass region and then formally annexing it.
I don't have any deep knowledge of the area, but I have been to both Ukraine and Russia, and my maternal grandparents were both from Eastern Europe.
I don't see it as Russia attacking Ukraine as much as Russia attacking the US proxy government in Ukraine. I would like the US to stop fucking around in other countries for the profits of Raytheon, etc. I feel bad for the poor Ukrainians who are being crushed between US and Russian interests.
it must mean that Ukrainians must be WEF/Bidet supporters
I don't believe that the Ukrainian people are WEF/Bidet supporters, but I do believe that the current US-installed Ukrainian government is entirely owned by and corrupted by the WEF and the sons of Bidet, Pelosi, Romney, etc.
I think Putin chose this time to attack because the Bidet administration is, first of all weaker than the previous administration because Bidet is so corrupt and senile, and secondly because the corrupt Bidet administration was foolishly pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and install missiles on Russia's border.
I really can't tell what's going on on the ground in Ukraine. "Truth is the first casualty of war."
It does seem that the Russians have been withdrawing to the Donbass region and not able to actually defeat the US government's proxy power in Kiev. This is not a complete loss, since Russia will gain territory and can claim to have protected the ethnic Russian majority of that region.
Bd6r says
It is clear that war in Ukraine is not a US war.
I think just the opposite. It is entirely a US war, provoked by the the US-funded and organized regime change in Kiev. The Europeans were not the instigators of that.
I can't tell about the atrocities either. Both sides have an interest in blaming the other site no matter what the truth is.
I think it will end with Russia slowly consolidating control over the Donbass region and then formally annexing it.
I don't have any deep knowledge of the area, but I have been to both Ukraine and Russia, and my maternal grandparents were both from Eastern Europe.
I don't see it as Russia attacking Ukraine as much as Russia attacking the US proxy government in Ukraine. I would like the US to stop fucking around in other countries for the profits of Raytheon, etc. I feel bad for the poor Ukrainians who are being crushed between US and Russian interests.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 1, 11:46am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 1, 11:46am
Patrick says
I dont think so. There is no proof they were installed by Bidet and co. In fact, the current government came into power after an acrimonious voting out of Poroshenko and co whom with a huge stretch you could call installed by US.
Patrick says
You misunderstood me - US should have no interest in this war wbich is what I meant by not our war.
With respect to installing govt, Russians installed the previous one. The current one was democratically elected, more democratically than our last election.
War was started by Russians - they are at fault and it is as simple.
Patrick says
I fail to see how Zelensky is a us puppet govt. This has been thrown around for a while, without much proof.
but I do believe that the current US-installed Ukrainian government is entirely owned by and corrupted by the WEF and the sons of Bidet, Pelosi, Romney, etc.
I dont think so. There is no proof they were installed by Bidet and co. In fact, the current government came into power after an acrimonious voting out of Poroshenko and co whom with a huge stretch you could call installed by US.
Patrick says
It is entirely a US war, provoked by the the US-funded and organized regime change in Kiev.
You misunderstood me - US should have no interest in this war wbich is what I meant by not our war.
With respect to installing govt, Russians installed the previous one. The current one was democratically elected, more democratically than our last election.
War was started by Russians - they are at fault and it is as simple.
Patrick says
don't see it ask Russia attacking Ukraine as much as Russia attacking the US proxy government in Ukraine.
I fail to see how Zelensky is a us puppet govt. This has been thrown around for a while, without much proof.
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Patrick
2022 Jun 1, 11:54am
Patrick
2022 Jun 1, 11:54am
I got these ideas from watching "Ukraine on Fire":
original link
Then it all seemed to be confirmed by the comments of Victoria Nuland.
original link
Then it all seemed to be confirmed by the comments of Victoria Nuland.
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Patrick
2022 Jun 1, 11:55am
Patrick
2022 Jun 1, 11:55am
Also, Zelensky being the darling child of the WEF confirms my opinions further.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 1, 12:00pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 1, 12:00pm
Another way to think about Bidet Ukrainian corruption is to remember that 1. Machiavellian idea that you need to have a powerful suppoter far away (USA) to neutralize a close and powerful country (Russia), and 2. Ukrainians have gamed US system - by paying Hunter Bidet 50K a month they now have billions worth of mostly free for them weapons. So who is puppet of whom remains to be determined.
Also I saw interview with Trump where he basically said that he threatened Putin with "unspeakable things" if he dares to attack Ukraine. Trump knew how to talk with people and get what he wanted from them.
Also I saw interview with Trump where he basically said that he threatened Putin with "unspeakable things" if he dares to attack Ukraine. Trump knew how to talk with people and get what he wanted from them.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 1, 12:01pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 1, 12:01pm
Patrick says
How is that related to Zelensky? He was not installed in 2014.
Then it all seemed to be confirmed by the comments of Victoria Nuland.
How is that related to Zelensky? He was not installed in 2014.
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Patrick
2022 Jun 1, 12:02pm
Patrick
2022 Jun 1, 12:02pm
Nuland definitely seemed to have plotted US control of Ukraine. I'd have to go back and look at interviews with her, but you could look them up as well.
And then there are her comments about the biolabs there.
And then there are her comments about the biolabs there.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 1, 12:04pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 1, 12:04pm
Patrick says
There are biolabs in Galveston that contain plague, HIV, etc. Why go to Ukraine? Furthermore, reason why Russia had one of the first ccp flu vacvines - sputnik- is that they have extensive coronavirus labs as well. This is residue from USSR biolabs in both Ukr and Rus. So what?
And then there are her comments about the biolabs there.
There are biolabs in Galveston that contain plague, HIV, etc. Why go to Ukraine? Furthermore, reason why Russia had one of the first ccp flu vacvines - sputnik- is that they have extensive coronavirus labs as well. This is residue from USSR biolabs in both Ukr and Rus. So what?
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 1, 12:11pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 1, 12:11pm
About wef leaders:
And then when one digs just a little bit one finds Putin thoroughly on board with Klaus Schwab’s World Economic Forum, whose coterie of wealthy maniacs have been so busy – through the infiltration of governments with their stooges, the manufacturer of economic ruin and social chaos and so forth – trying to “reset” the world into a high-tech feudalism.
One has to ask whether the Russian government is yet another subverted front for the self-appointed, know-best-what-is-good-for-you, aspiring herdsmen of the globalist crime syndicate and its less-than-benign designs for the human race. And whether the Ukraine is yet more manufactured agony staged between governments who, had they been individuals, would have been locked up as craven psychopaths.
The article below (source) gives some insight into the close relationship between Putin and his globalist mentors, as does his speech to the WEF here.
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/putin-and-the-wef-cause-for-concern-are-we-being-played-yet-again/
And then when one digs just a little bit one finds Putin thoroughly on board with Klaus Schwab’s World Economic Forum, whose coterie of wealthy maniacs have been so busy – through the infiltration of governments with their stooges, the manufacturer of economic ruin and social chaos and so forth – trying to “reset” the world into a high-tech feudalism.
One has to ask whether the Russian government is yet another subverted front for the self-appointed, know-best-what-is-good-for-you, aspiring herdsmen of the globalist crime syndicate and its less-than-benign designs for the human race. And whether the Ukraine is yet more manufactured agony staged between governments who, had they been individuals, would have been locked up as craven psychopaths.
The article below (source) gives some insight into the close relationship between Putin and his globalist mentors, as does his speech to the WEF here.
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/putin-and-the-wef-cause-for-concern-are-we-being-played-yet-again/
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 1, 12:24pm
Ceffer
2022 Jun 1, 12:24pm
Rumor is two thirds of the arms being sent to Ukraine are being sold on the black market. Once a launderer, always a launderer?
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Patrick
2022 Jun 1, 12:33pm
Patrick
2022 Jun 1, 12:33pm
I didn't like Putin bowing and getting a gold chain put on his neck by the Saudi king, just like Trump did. I can't really tell how independent Putin is. Maybe he is indeed just another WEF puppet.
But I am pretty sure that the US government is causing a lot of unnecessary trouble around the world for dubious reasons, and Ukraine seems to fit with that.
But I am pretty sure that the US government is causing a lot of unnecessary trouble around the world for dubious reasons, and Ukraine seems to fit with that.
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 1, 12:55pm
Ceffer
2022 Jun 1, 12:55pm
I can't conceive of any scenario that Putin is a WEF puppet. He is a nationalist, and his agenda is so opposed to everything that the WEF/NWO are up to that if they are engaged in some kind of double triple cross reverse agenda, it would appear to be suicidal. WEF: "Hey, Vlad, would you dismantle all of our money laundering and organized crime networks in Ukraine? While you're at it, you can also seize all of those bioweapons labs we so painstakingly, secretly built for the West to poison you. We think this is the best way to further our agendas!"
Woo says the Russians screamed at a secret meeting of Western generals and white hat intels (supposedly some that are under Trump) that they had better take care of the Globalists, or Russia would feel at liberty to intervene to do so. Recent statements out of Russia have been jokingly (or not so jokingly) indicating that Russia is considering de-nazifying Europe, Geneva and the NWO by direct intervention.
Woo says the Russians screamed at a secret meeting of Western generals and white hat intels (supposedly some that are under Trump) that they had better take care of the Globalists, or Russia would feel at liberty to intervene to do so. Recent statements out of Russia have been jokingly (or not so jokingly) indicating that Russia is considering de-nazifying Europe, Geneva and the NWO by direct intervention.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Jun 1, 1:32pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Jun 1, 1:32pm
Great thoughts here, lots to digest. Thanks OP and commentators.
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 1, 1:47pm
Ceffer
2022 Jun 1, 1:47pm
Guess the Russkies got some of their inside intel on arms shipments from the West and are bombing Neue-Poland again.
https://t.me/asbmil/1843
https://t.me/asbmil/1843
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komputodo
2022 Jun 1, 2:00pm
komputodo
2022 Jun 1, 2:00pm
Ceffer says
and those weapons will end up in the hands of their mafia types or sold to other ciminals/terrorists
Rumor is two thirds of the arms being sent to Ukraine are being sold on the black market. Once a launderer, always a launderer?
and those weapons will end up in the hands of their mafia types or sold to other ciminals/terrorists
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 1, 2:05pm
Ceffer
2022 Jun 1, 2:05pm
komputodo says
Oh, that's just the price of getting your kickbacks. Proxy harm is no biggie.
and those weapons will end up in the hands of their mafia types or sold to other ciminals/terrorists
Oh, that's just the price of getting your kickbacks. Proxy harm is no biggie.
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 1, 2:41pm
Ceffer
2022 Jun 1, 2:41pm
Seems ASB Military News has a sense of humor of a sort, Kharkiv next on the Russian menu?:
https://t.me/asbmil/1860
https://t.me/asbmil/1850
https://t.me/asbmil/1860 https://t.me/asbmil/1850
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EBGuy
2022 Jun 1, 3:00pm
Rising continues the cover the crisis (though, I imagine there is a slant).
Biden Sends MORE Weapons To Ukraine, MSM Narrative CRUMBLES As War Prolongs
Retired Lt. Col. Daniel Davis claims you'd have to train more troops to mount any sort of Ukrainian counter offensive (which would take over a year), so you're probably better off with some sort of negotiated peace.
There are also some documentaries on Kanopy (Frontline I think) that have a perspective from a couple of years back where you can see the civil war unfolding. They refer to a group known as Right Sector operating in Kharkiv (wondering if that was Azov).
Biden Sends MORE Weapons To Ukraine, MSM Narrative CRUMBLES As War Prolongs
Retired Lt. Col. Daniel Davis claims you'd have to train more troops to mount any sort of Ukrainian counter offensive (which would take over a year), so you're probably better off with some sort of negotiated peace.
There are also some documentaries on Kanopy (Frontline I think) that have a perspective from a couple of years back where you can see the civil war unfolding. They refer to a group known as Right Sector operating in Kharkiv (wondering if that was Azov).
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richwicks
2022 Jun 1, 3:29pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 1, 3:29pm
EBGuy says
What sort of negotiated peace? Something like NATO stays out of Ukraine and stops bombing the Donbass region?
This war was created just to launder money.
Retired Lt. Col. Daniel Davis claims you'd have to train more troops to mount any sort of Ukrainian counter offensive (which would take over a year), so you're probably better off with some sort of negotiated peace.
What sort of negotiated peace? Something like NATO stays out of Ukraine and stops bombing the Donbass region?
This war was created just to launder money.
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GNL
2022 Jun 1, 3:43pm
GNL
2022 Jun 1, 3:43pm
Bd6r says
Why would NATO collapse if they win?
if Ukr win, I suspect NATO in Europe will collapse...this is chatter I hear from E Europe.
Why would NATO collapse if they win?
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RWSGFY
2022 Jun 1, 4:08pm
RWSGFY
2022 Jun 1, 4:08pm
Shaman says
Is he throwing his hat into "King of Idiots" contest?
How about the French NATO general’s article where he says that Ukraine was the aggressor?
Is he throwing his hat into "King of Idiots" contest?
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mell
2022 Jun 1, 4:41pm
Bd6r says
You have to be kidding. The "leaders" are bankrupting the US by sending hundreds of billions they don't have. "No interest" looks very different
You misunderstood me - US should have no interest in this war wbich is what I meant by not our war.
You have to be kidding. The "leaders" are bankrupting the US by sending hundreds of billions they don't have. "No interest" looks very different
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EBGuy
2022 Jun 1, 4:57pm
Looks like the Russians are targetting the $40 billion care package from the US...
For some context of how terrifyingly close this is to NATOland
#Ukraine confirms Russian cruise missile strike on the #Beskydy railway tunnel. The tunnel, financed by the #EBRD and European Investment Bank, was opened by #Poroshenko in May 2018, and is now believed to be a key supply route for #NATO weapons into the #Donbass. #Russia #Biden pic.twitter.com/naAU6xLZVK— Manchester Chronicle 🐝 (@WithyGrove) June 1, 2022
For some context of how terrifyingly close this is to NATOland
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richwicks
2022 Jun 2, 1:16am
richwicks
2022 Jun 2, 1:16am
EBGuy says
NATO exists for the United States to take on Russia at some point.
NATO exists for Europe because it's free fucking money from the United States.
We're hearing the usual tough talk from idiot puppet leaders in Europe, but they don't have any interest in WWIII, regardless of how much they are bribed by the Federal Reserve. Mutually Assured Destruction is still in effect, and Russia can wipe out all of Europe if not all of the world. Nobody wins in that shit.
Europe would be smart to dump the US for Russia as a strategic ally, just like the US would be smart to dump Europe in favor of Russia as a strategic ally. The problem I think is that the people that control the United States and control Europe don't give a fuck about their nations. Traitors run both.
For some context of how terrifyingly close this is to NATOland
NATO exists for the United States to take on Russia at some point.
NATO exists for Europe because it's free fucking money from the United States.
We're hearing the usual tough talk from idiot puppet leaders in Europe, but they don't have any interest in WWIII, regardless of how much they are bribed by the Federal Reserve. Mutually Assured Destruction is still in effect, and Russia can wipe out all of Europe if not all of the world. Nobody wins in that shit.
Europe would be smart to dump the US for Russia as a strategic ally, just like the US would be smart to dump Europe in favor of Russia as a strategic ally. The problem I think is that the people that control the United States and control Europe don't give a fuck about their nations. Traitors run both.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 6:48am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 6:48am
WineHorror1 says
NATO does not win, Ukraine wins. If Ukr can defeat Russia (even with NATO help) why would the rest of E Europe need NATO provided that the ONLY reason theay are in nato is Russia?
Why would NATO collapse if they win?
NATO does not win, Ukraine wins. If Ukr can defeat Russia (even with NATO help) why would the rest of E Europe need NATO provided that the ONLY reason theay are in nato is Russia?
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 6:52am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 6:52am
Ceffer says
Sputnik jab made at the same time or even before Western jabs, mass vaccinations in Russia, attack Ukraine at the time best suited for our plutocrats. Look at what they do not what they say.
I am not 100pct sure myself but I am becoming more conspiratorial by the day
conceive of any scenario that Putin is a WEF puppet. He is a nationalist, and his agenda is so opposed to everything that the WEF/NWO are up to that if they are engaged in some kind of double triple cross reverse agenda, it would appear to be suicidal. WEF: "Hey, Vlad, would you dismantle all of our money laundering and organized crime networks in Ukraine? While you're at it, you can also seize all of those bioweapons labs we so painstakingly, secretly built for the West to poison you. We think this is the best way to further our agendas!"
Sputnik jab made at the same time or even before Western jabs, mass vaccinations in Russia, attack Ukraine at the time best suited for our plutocrats. Look at what they do not what they say.
I am not 100pct sure myself but I am becoming more conspiratorial by the day
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 7:00am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 7:00am
Patrick says
I looked through this and it is highly biased Rusdian propaganda. First, if you gubbermint is stupid, you have all rights to overthrow it, and if it is violent towards you as Ys gubbermint was (dispersed peacuful student demonstration, conveniently glossed over), you are fully within your rights to be violent against it. Ukrainians simply were not pussies like Americans were after Bidet stole the last election. Second, they say that ussr "liberated" w. Ukraine in 2nd war. This is Rusdian propaganda. Liberators leave but occupiers stay, and in any case if w ukr would consider themselves liberated, they would not wage a 15 yr guerilla war. There are mire examples of rather primitive Russ propaganda in this movie.
Ukraine on Fire":
I looked through this and it is highly biased Rusdian propaganda. First, if you gubbermint is stupid, you have all rights to overthrow it, and if it is violent towards you as Ys gubbermint was (dispersed peacuful student demonstration, conveniently glossed over), you are fully within your rights to be violent against it. Ukrainians simply were not pussies like Americans were after Bidet stole the last election. Second, they say that ussr "liberated" w. Ukraine in 2nd war. This is Rusdian propaganda. Liberators leave but occupiers stay, and in any case if w ukr would consider themselves liberated, they would not wage a 15 yr guerilla war. There are mire examples of rather primitive Russ propaganda in this movie.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 7:04am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 7:04am
Shaman says
As far as I can tell, Russians were kicked out of Kiev and Harkov districts with thousands dead. This does not sound like winning. Also, hoew come Frog gen thinks that Ukraine is aggressor if Russia attacked? This is reminiscent of Hitler attacking USSR and claiming that ussr is aggressor since it was preventive strike.
Ukraine won’t win. They can’t. They’re losing badly.
As far as I can tell, Russians were kicked out of Kiev and Harkov districts with thousands dead. This does not sound like winning. Also, hoew come Frog gen thinks that Ukraine is aggressor if Russia attacked? This is reminiscent of Hitler attacking USSR and claiming that ussr is aggressor since it was preventive strike.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Jun 2, 8:39am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Jun 2, 8:39am
I think US will keep on supplying weapons, MIC is making a killing here. They got to make up for 4 years of Trump not doing wars. With Biden, everyone gets to loot America. And as long as it's Ukrainians are dying somewhere, they don't care. They didn't care when Americans were dying, they care about Ukrainians dying in proxy war even less.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 9:45am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 9:45am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
A bingo right there.
I think US will keep on supplying weapons, MIC is making a killing here. They got to make up for 4 years of Trump not doing wars. With Biden, everyone gets to loot America. And as long as it's Ukrainians are dying somewhere, they don't care. They didn't care when Americans were dying, they care about Ukrainians dying in proxy war even less.
A bingo right there.
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 2, 10:59am
Ceffer
2022 Jun 2, 10:59am
The 'RussiaManBad' chorus seems to be going into abeyance a bit. Russia never claimed it was going to 'conquer' Ukraine, a false statement that is parroted over and over. It was a 'military operation' with distinct limited goals.
The Kiev thing was a military feint, not a 'defeat', since Russia never intended to invade Kiev, but wanted to keep military tied down there while it executed its Donbas strategy. There are fewer and fewer hanging on the to MSM fake news notion that Russia is 'losing'. It's more like everybody is shuffling about trying to figure out what to do after Russia 'wins' and how to justify the unnecessary loss of Ukrainian lives.
In the meanwhile, our horrific and insane politicians continue their short sighted strategies of corrupt practices. I guess that is the wonder of NWO/WEF centralized wisdom of psychopaths issuing the dictations,
The Kiev thing was a military feint, not a 'defeat', since Russia never intended to invade Kiev, but wanted to keep military tied down there while it executed its Donbas strategy. There are fewer and fewer hanging on the to MSM fake news notion that Russia is 'losing'. It's more like everybody is shuffling about trying to figure out what to do after Russia 'wins' and how to justify the unnecessary loss of Ukrainian lives.
In the meanwhile, our horrific and insane politicians continue their short sighted strategies of corrupt practices. I guess that is the wonder of NWO/WEF centralized wisdom of psychopaths issuing the dictations,
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Onvacation
2022 Jun 2, 11:47am
Onvacation
2022 Jun 2, 11:47am
Bd6r says
It did seem to be a world wide effort to get everyone vaccinated and, even more important, on some kind of "vax passport" that restricted everything.
They failed but they keep coming at us.
I think the most crucial questions about Ukraine are "What was Burisma paying Hunter for?" and "What is up with Vice President Biden extorting the Ukrainians by withholding aid if they did not fire that investigator?".
I am becoming more conspiratorial by the day
It did seem to be a world wide effort to get everyone vaccinated and, even more important, on some kind of "vax passport" that restricted everything.
They failed but they keep coming at us.
I think the most crucial questions about Ukraine are "What was Burisma paying Hunter for?" and "What is up with Vice President Biden extorting the Ukrainians by withholding aid if they did not fire that investigator?".
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 11:56am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 11:56am
Onvacation says
Those are easy answers -10 pct or more for the Big Guy
No conspiratorial mindset needed to answer, just common sense
the most crucial questions about Ukraine are "What was Burisma paying Hunter for?" and "What is up with Vice President Biden extorting the Ukrainians by withholding aid if they did not fire that investigator?".
Those are easy answers -10 pct or more for the Big Guy
No conspiratorial mindset needed to answer, just common sense
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 12:47pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 12:47pm
Ceffer says
Statement is not supported by facts, provided that you can read in Russian.
https://bloknot.ru/obshhestvo/chto-nam-zhdat-9-maya-pervoj-ser-eznoj-pobedy-ili-nachala-bol-shoj-vojny-923735.html
Встреча с земляками в центре Харькова, по всей видимости, откладывается до следующей войны. Текущая же для России, надо полагать, завершится вскоре некими соглашениями. Будут ли они мирными? Не будут. Разве что формально, как Минск-2. Смертельно ли это?
In general, this strongly reminds of Winter War in Finland, where rhetoric "destruction of anti-Soviet government and replacement with a friendly govt" was replaced with some territorial demands.
Russia never claimed it was going to 'conquer' Ukraine, a false statement that is parroted over and over. It was a 'military operation' with distinct limited goals.
Statement is not supported by facts, provided that you can read in Russian.
https://bloknot.ru/obshhestvo/chto-nam-zhdat-9-maya-pervoj-ser-eznoj-pobedy-ili-nachala-bol-shoj-vojny-923735.html
Встреча с земляками в центре Харькова, по всей видимости, откладывается до следующей войны. Текущая же для России, надо полагать, завершится вскоре некими соглашениями. Будут ли они мирными? Не будут. Разве что формально, как Минск-2. Смертельно ли это?
In general, this strongly reminds of Winter War in Finland, where rhetoric "destruction of anti-Soviet government and replacement with a friendly govt" was replaced with some territorial demands.
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Patrick
2022 Jun 2, 1:18pm
Patrick
2022 Jun 2, 1:18pm
deepl.com has this translation:
The meeting with the compatriots in the center of Kharkov is apparently postponed until the next war. For Russia, the current one will presumably end soon with some kind of agreement. Will they be peaceful? No, they will not. Only formally, like Minsk-2. Is it fatal?
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AmericanKulak
2022 Jun 2, 1:24pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Jun 2, 1:24pm
One annoying thing I see is copycat bullshit.
Russia puts up video of complaining bunch of AFU soldiers from XXth Battalion, then Ukraine puts up video of complaining bunch of XXth Motorized Division soldiers.
It's all bullshit.
I did see the Ukraine fired their Propaganda Chieftess over abuse videos.
Russia puts up video of complaining bunch of AFU soldiers from XXth Battalion, then Ukraine puts up video of complaining bunch of XXth Motorized Division soldiers.
It's all bullshit.
I did see the Ukraine fired their Propaganda Chieftess over abuse videos.
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1. Many Patnetters think that because Ukraine is supported by Bidet and the rest of WEF types, it must mean that Ukrainians must be WEF/Bidet supporters. Please remember Afghanistan in 1980's...this is the best analogy. Tell people that help you what they want to hear to get what you want from them. Note gay marriage is illegal in Ukraine etc.
2. One issue that I am struggling with is why Putin attacked Ukraine at time which was most suitable for our ruling class (this took heat away from Bidet and his Euro counterparts from inflation and horribly mismanaged artificial pLandemic). I have few possible explanations and I will list them in order of decreasing probability.
A. Putin is in cahoots with WEF crowd. Ukrainians and Russians suffer in this battle of pawns. He was asked to attack at this particular time.
B. Putin has lost his abilities of cold calculation that he had all these years. Either age or cancer.
C. Coincidence - but those are almost nonexistent.
3. About judging what the hell happens on ground in Ukraine. Dont listen to ghosts of Kiyiv or Zerohedge (which BTW is a CNN of the East aka filial of RT). Look at https://nitter.mstdn.social/oryxspioenkop and see where and what losses are listed for each side. Captured or abandoned equipment means that the other side is advancing in that region. Read also https://nitter.mstdn.social/newkc14 which is Chechen Al Nusra - they dont lie although they favor Ukrainians. News such as "ghost of Kiyiv downed 35 Russian planes" or "Ukrainians desert and surrender en masse" are clickbait for idiots.
4. It is clear that Russian goals (assuming the idea was to defeat Ukraine and not distract Western popular opinion from covid and transfer $$$ to Rayethon) were not achieved. You can see for yourself how did it go for them. From destroying Nazi govt and not letting it join NATO it has morphed to "liberating" a few districts and withdrawing from swaths of central Ukraine with thousands dead. Incidentally, Russia will get a new 1000 mile border with NATO in Finland 150 miles from its biggest city St Petersburg. This is not WINNING!!! and Putin the great has crapped his own pants.
5. It is clear that war in Ukraine is not a US war. Let Europe help Ukraine and sell arms to them. It is also clear that Scholz and his W. European counterparts are typical soy persons, contrary to Poles and the rest of East Europeans (we need to discuss if aggression has to be met by physical force -quote by soyScholtz). Perhaps Poland has to occupy half of Germany. I am sure they could do it rather bloodlessly.
6. Russian atrocities. While we cant believe much if what Ukr or NYT say, Russian track record in Chechnya where they killed a fifth of population means that this is likely happening in Ukraine as well. If/when Ukrainians get into Russia, it will be the same - this is Eastern Europe with specific habits.
7. How will this end. Either this will be a festering conflict for years where one side moves 5 miles here and other side moves 10 miles there, or one of the sides will have an internal collapse/revolution.
8. Opinion of persons who dont speak Russian/ukrainian and are not familiar with the region but feel important enough to analyze situation is quite funny, esp after they show lack of simple knowledge about geography, habits, and populations of the region...
9. I hope Ukrainians win, for 2 major reasons: Russia attacked them twice so they deserve their ass being kicked, and if Ukr win, I suspect NATO in Europe will collapse...this is chatter I hear from E Europe.