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Retired Lt. Col. Daniel Davis claims you'd have to train more troops to mount any sort of Ukrainian counter offensive (which would take over a year), so you're probably better off with some sort of negotiated peace.

if Ukr win, I suspect NATO in Europe will collapse...this is chatter I hear from E Europe.

How about the French NATO general’s article where he says that Ukraine was the aggressor?

You misunderstood me - US should have no interest in this war wbich is what I meant by not our war.

#Ukraine confirms Russian cruise missile strike on the #Beskydy railway tunnel. The tunnel, financed by the #EBRD and European Investment Bank, was opened by #Poroshenko in May 2018, and is now believed to be a key supply route for #NATO weapons into the #Donbass. #Russia #Biden pic.twitter.com/naAU6xLZVK— Manchester Chronicle 🐝 (@WithyGrove) June 1, 2022

For some context of how terrifyingly close this is to NATOland

For some context of how terrifyingly close this is to NATOland

Why would NATO collapse if they win?

conceive of any scenario that Putin is a WEF puppet. He is a nationalist, and his agenda is so opposed to everything that the WEF/NWO are up to that if they are engaged in some kind of double triple cross reverse agenda, it would appear to be suicidal. WEF: "Hey, Vlad, would you dismantle all of our money laundering and organized crime networks in Ukraine? While you're at it, you can also seize all of those bioweapons labs we so painstakingly, secretly built for the West to poison you. We think this is the best way to further our agendas!"

Ukraine on Fire":

Ukraine won’t win. They can’t. They’re losing badly.

I think US will keep on supplying weapons, MIC is making a killing here. They got to make up for 4 years of Trump not doing wars. With Biden, everyone gets to loot America. And as long as it's Ukrainians are dying somewhere, they don't care. They didn't care when Americans were dying, they care about Ukrainians dying in proxy war even less.

I am becoming more conspiratorial by the day

the most crucial questions about Ukraine are "What was Burisma paying Hunter for?" and "What is up with Vice President Biden extorting the Ukrainians by withholding aid if they did not fire that investigator?".

Russia never claimed it was going to 'conquer' Ukraine, a false statement that is parroted over and over. It was a 'military operation' with distinct limited goals.

The meeting with the compatriots in the center of Kharkov is apparently postponed until the next war. For Russia, the current one will presumably end soon with some kind of agreement. Will they be peaceful? No, they will not. Only formally, like Minsk-2. Is it fatal?

I think things will become fairly moot after Russia obtains Odessa and that thin strip of Russians along the Moldovan-Ukraine border. What is left of Ukraine, whether partitioned further or not with a section going to Poland, without control over any Black Sea port, will be so poor and neutered that they won't have a lot of options. It won't be necessary to 'conquer' Kiev, they will make deals to survive.

Putin recently told the Ukraine military to overthrow El Zel and negotiate the peace. It seems El Zel is living on borrowed time. Hope he has his go bag with several currencies, passports with aliases, and bag of diamonds to cut fuck with. Florida or South America? I vote South America if he makes it.

I just think the most reliable information that can be generally believed points to Russia succeeding in its Donbas and Black Sea strategies.

Ceffer says

I just think the most reliable information that can be generally believed points to Russia succeeding in its Donbas and Black Sea strategies.

From what I understand and hear, they thought that Ukr will collapse in a few days and that people will rise up and destroy Ze govt. They were going to occupy Kiev - if not, what was the point of costly taking the Gostomel airport? Failed and scaled down the plans.
WRT Nazis, Russians have similar numbers of them. You might want to search on internets for leader of Wagner mercenaries group (owned by chef of Putin)

They way they were talking a week or so ago, it was like the Russians were out of juice and if we kept arming Ukraine, they might even push the Russians almost all the way back.

Russia was prepared for a war of attrition, not a blitz. He states Ukraine was extremely fortified and dug in all along the nominal fronts in Donbas,

heard years ago from Michael Rivero that the stated plan of Russia was to fight a war of attrition in Ukraine against the United States, realizing it was a proxy war.

richwicks says

heard years ago from Michael Rivero that the stated plan of Russia was to fight a war of attrition in Ukraine against the United States, realizing it was a proxy war.

Agreed, but for some reason, perhaps one of 2 reasons I listed in OP this strategy was over with the start of large scale invasion. The original situation in feeding Donbass rebels with instructors and arms and denying everything was perhaps a win win for Russia as in we dont do anything it is them but it saps Ukraine strength.

Putin was extremely pro-western when he came to power (a while ago)

Dude, if Ukraine still exists as a nation depends on a decision by Russia at the end of this. I suspect they will be allowed to exist, but under a very severe thumb.

Stop thinking of Putin as a fucking genius - may be he was, but not any more. He is a leader of a failed criminal syndicate.