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Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 7:37pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 7:37pm
Ceffer says
We heard here that Russia will not attack, that Ukr will be defeated first in days, then weeks, then months. I believe the above prediction will go the way of the rest of Patnet E Europe specialist forecasts.
Poland is deeply invested in this war on side of Ukraine. If they wanted to partition, they would not help. In fact, they help more than prob anyone else as they have no desire to have a long border with schisofrenic Russia
So good luck also with that prediction, we can return to these in a month.
I think things will become fairly moot after Russia obtains Odessa and that thin strip of Russians along the Moldovan-Ukraine border. What is left of Ukraine, whether partitioned further or not with a section going to Poland, without control over any Black Sea port, will be so poor and neutered that they won't have a lot of options. It won't be necessary to 'conquer' Kiev, they will make deals to survive.
Putin recently told the Ukraine military to overthrow El Zel and negotiate the peace. It seems El Zel is living on borrowed time. Hope he has his go bag with several currencies, passports with aliases, and bag of diamonds to cut fuck with. Florida or South America? I vote South America if he makes it.
We heard here that Russia will not attack, that Ukr will be defeated first in days, then weeks, then months. I believe the above prediction will go the way of the rest of Patnet E Europe specialist forecasts.
Poland is deeply invested in this war on side of Ukraine. If they wanted to partition, they would not help. In fact, they help more than prob anyone else as they have no desire to have a long border with schisofrenic Russia
So good luck also with that prediction, we can return to these in a month.
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 2, 7:51pm
Ceffer
2022 Jun 2, 7:51pm
I really never heard that Russia was necessarily going to have a successful blitz and conquer in short order. Such things are military estimates. I was wrong that they wouldn't invade, but I certainly am no expert, plus subsequent discoveries like all those weapons labs certainly colored the picture. Russia's reaction appears to be a rational reaction to extensive provocation and bad faith on the part of the West.
I just think the most reliable information that can be generally believed points to Russia succeeding in its Donbas and Black Sea strategies. The Zelensky puppet show relegating Ukrainian soldiers to cannon fodder is disgusting, but I don't feel sorry for the hard core Nazis.
I just think the most reliable information that can be generally believed points to Russia succeeding in its Donbas and Black Sea strategies. The Zelensky puppet show relegating Ukrainian soldiers to cannon fodder is disgusting, but I don't feel sorry for the hard core Nazis.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Jun 2, 7:56pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Jun 2, 7:56pm
Just a heads up, Chrysta Freeland, Trudeau's right hand woman, had a grandfather that edited the Nazi Ukrainian Militia's newspaper.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/chrystia-freeland-needs-to-come-clean-about-her-nazi-collaborationist-grandfather
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/chrystia-freeland-needs-to-come-clean-about-her-nazi-collaborationist-grandfather
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 8:04pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 2, 8:04pm
Ceffer says
From what I understand and hear, they thought that Ukr will collapse in a few days and that people will rise up and destroy Ze govt. They were going to occupy Kiev - if not, what was the point of costly taking the Gostomel airport? Failed and scaled down the plans.
WRT Nazis, Russians have similar numbers of them. You might want to search on internets for leader of Wagner mercenaries group (owned by chef of Putin)
I just think the most reliable information that can be generally believed points to Russia succeeding in its Donbas and Black Sea strategies.
From what I understand and hear, they thought that Ukr will collapse in a few days and that people will rise up and destroy Ze govt. They were going to occupy Kiev - if not, what was the point of costly taking the Gostomel airport? Failed and scaled down the plans.
WRT Nazis, Russians have similar numbers of them. You might want to search on internets for leader of Wagner mercenaries group (owned by chef of Putin)
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richwicks
2022 Jun 2, 8:19pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 2, 8:19pm
Bd6r says
I heard years ago from Michael Rivero that the stated plan of Russia was to fight a war of attrition in Ukraine against the United States, realizing it was a proxy war. This is Vietnam all over again. Apparently the plan isn't to win, it's to continue fighting to exhaust resources of NATO and the United States. Russia may cut off oil supplies to Europe this winter entirely and prevent a planting season in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWT5HM_NMlI
Note the date on that, June 20, 2014. That was just after the United States overthrew Ukraine. If you want an embedded video:
original link
Ceffer saysI just think the most reliable information that can be generally believed points to Russia succeeding in its Donbas and Black Sea strategies.
From what I understand and hear, they thought that Ukr will collapse in a few days and that people will rise up and destroy Ze govt. They were going to occupy Kiev - if not, what was the point of costly taking the Gostomel airport? Failed and scaled down the plans.
WRT Nazis, Russians have similar numbers of them. You might want to search on internets for leader of Wagner mercenaries group (owned by chef of Putin)
I heard years ago from Michael Rivero that the stated plan of Russia was to fight a war of attrition in Ukraine against the United States, realizing it was a proxy war. This is Vietnam all over again. Apparently the plan isn't to win, it's to continue fighting to exhaust resources of NATO and the United States. Russia may cut off oil supplies to Europe this winter entirely and prevent a planting season in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWT5HM_NMlI
Note the date on that, June 20, 2014. That was just after the United States overthrew Ukraine. If you want an embedded video:
original link
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 2, 10:47pm
Ceffer
2022 Jun 2, 10:47pm
If commentators like Scott Ritter are to be believed, Russia was prepared for a war of attrition, not a blitz. He states Ukraine was extremely fortified and dug in all along the nominal fronts in Donbas, and presented no quick conquest scenarios. Press blitzes may have stated otherwise for whatever purposes, but it took a while for the disinformation fogs to clear up anyway before the ground situation was elucidated.
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Ceffer
2022 Jun 2, 11:41pm
Ceffer
2022 Jun 2, 11:41pm
Just for funsees, a black market ad for Javelins. "Ukrops are selling Javelins on the darknet.
The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine resells equipment and weapons supplied by NATO to the Middle East and North Africa.
Anyone with a TOR browser can buy this ATGM in the online store.":
The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine resells equipment and weapons supplied by NATO to the Middle East and North Africa.
Anyone with a TOR browser can buy this ATGM in the online store.":
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AmericanKulak
2022 Jun 3, 5:13am
AmericanKulak
2022 Jun 3, 5:13am
!!!!
They way they were talking a week or so ago, it was like the Russians were out of juice and if we kept arming Ukraine, they might even push the Russians almost all the way back.
They way they were talking a week or so ago, it was like the Russians were out of juice and if we kept arming Ukraine, they might even push the Russians almost all the way back.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 3, 6:20am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 3, 6:20am
AmericanKulak says
I would not listen to them since they are 'tards. They said that Ukraine will fall, then when it did not that Ukraine will defeat Russia, now something else. Their track record is close to abysmal.
They way they were talking a week or so ago, it was like the Russians were out of juice and if we kept arming Ukraine, they might even push the Russians almost all the way back.
I would not listen to them since they are 'tards. They said that Ukraine will fall, then when it did not that Ukraine will defeat Russia, now something else. Their track record is close to abysmal.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 3, 6:23am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 3, 6:23am
Ceffer says
That idea does not go well together with huge, poorly supplied Russian columns near Kiev at the beginning of war. Those were signs of a rather typical attempted blitzkrieg, unless we consider Russian generals to be completely incompetent.
Russia was prepared for a war of attrition, not a blitz. He states Ukraine was extremely fortified and dug in all along the nominal fronts in Donbas,
That idea does not go well together with huge, poorly supplied Russian columns near Kiev at the beginning of war. Those were signs of a rather typical attempted blitzkrieg, unless we consider Russian generals to be completely incompetent.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 3, 6:28am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 3, 6:28am
richwicks says
Agreed, but for some reason, perhaps one of 2 reasons I listed in OP this strategy was over with the start of large scale invasion. The original situation in feeding Donbass rebels with instructors and arms and denying everything was perhaps a win win for Russia as in we dont do anything it is them but it saps Ukraine strength.
heard years ago from Michael Rivero that the stated plan of Russia was to fight a war of attrition in Ukraine against the United States, realizing it was a proxy war.
Agreed, but for some reason, perhaps one of 2 reasons I listed in OP this strategy was over with the start of large scale invasion. The original situation in feeding Donbass rebels with instructors and arms and denying everything was perhaps a win win for Russia as in we dont do anything it is them but it saps Ukraine strength.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 3, 7:25pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 3, 7:25pm
And two more thoughts.
1. I can not exclude also that Putin is an agent of China, because they win irrespectively of which scenario works out. He also supposedly postponed invasion after Xi asked him to so it would not overlap with Olympic circus.
2. There is again some chatter that Ukraine war is result of inter Kremlin warfare or turmoil. One of most ardent anti war propagandists Nevzorov is a well known KGB agent of high stanfing and was a close advisor to Putin. I cant explain this logically, but a lot of independence movements in Soviet Union republics in 1990s were directed by KGB who wanted to legalize their wealth.
1. I can not exclude also that Putin is an agent of China, because they win irrespectively of which scenario works out. He also supposedly postponed invasion after Xi asked him to so it would not overlap with Olympic circus.
2. There is again some chatter that Ukraine war is result of inter Kremlin warfare or turmoil. One of most ardent anti war propagandists Nevzorov is a well known KGB agent of high stanfing and was a close advisor to Putin. I cant explain this logically, but a lot of independence movements in Soviet Union republics in 1990s were directed by KGB who wanted to legalize their wealth.
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richwicks
2022 Jun 3, 9:39pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 3, 9:39pm
Bd6r says
Dude, if Ukraine still exists as a nation depends on a decision by Russia at the end of this. I suspect they will be allowed to exist, but under a very severe thumb.
I view Vladimir Zelenskiy and Ihor Kolomoyskyi as absolute traitors. They are the fucking exact stereotype of the Jewish dual nation traitor. They will deny this of course, because you can't ever criticize a Jewish person, but that's what those mother fuckers are. I hope they are executed.
This war didn't need to happen. All Ukraine had to do was not bring in NATO weaponry and stop bombing the Donbass region. These mother fuckers are scum, and they will use Israel as an escape, or the United States. They are forcing a pointless war "they" are definitely going to lose, without consequence because they aren't in the line of fire, they are just killing their gullible subjects. I'm against torture, but these fuckers deserve the worst conceivable death possible. I'll be curious as to how many deaths they caused, I consider them on the same level as Dick Cheney and Barack Obama. Scum. Complete traitors, but even worse, they didn't take on some 3rd world nation where they would win, they took on a giant they were certain to lose against. It's not like the United States would have gone to war against Ukraine if these fucking scumbag traitors didn't do what the US wanted.
If Ukraine wants to end the war, kill these motherfuckers. Tired of the Neocon fascists - and of course our Neocon government and media sides with them.
richwicks saysheard years ago from Michael Rivero that the stated plan of Russia was to fight a war of attrition in Ukraine against the United States, realizing it was a proxy war.
Agreed, but for some reason, perhaps one of 2 reasons I listed in OP this strategy was over with the start of large scale invasion. The original situation in feeding Donbass rebels with instructors and arms and denying everything was perhaps a win win for Russia as in we dont do anything it is them but it saps Ukraine strength.
Dude, if Ukraine still exists as a nation depends on a decision by Russia at the end of this. I suspect they will be allowed to exist, but under a very severe thumb.
I view Vladimir Zelenskiy and Ihor Kolomoyskyi as absolute traitors. They are the fucking exact stereotype of the Jewish dual nation traitor. They will deny this of course, because you can't ever criticize a Jewish person, but that's what those mother fuckers are. I hope they are executed.
This war didn't need to happen. All Ukraine had to do was not bring in NATO weaponry and stop bombing the Donbass region. These mother fuckers are scum, and they will use Israel as an escape, or the United States. They are forcing a pointless war "they" are definitely going to lose, without consequence because they aren't in the line of fire, they are just killing their gullible subjects. I'm against torture, but these fuckers deserve the worst conceivable death possible. I'll be curious as to how many deaths they caused, I consider them on the same level as Dick Cheney and Barack Obama. Scum. Complete traitors, but even worse, they didn't take on some 3rd world nation where they would win, they took on a giant they were certain to lose against. It's not like the United States would have gone to war against Ukraine if these fucking scumbag traitors didn't do what the US wanted.
If Ukraine wants to end the war, kill these motherfuckers. Tired of the Neocon fascists - and of course our Neocon government and media sides with them.
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tomtomtom
2022 Jun 3, 10:48pm
Putin knows the war can not end while there is a country called "Ukraine" on the map. He does not have any other choices to stop the conflict for good. Putin was extremely pro-western when he came to power (a while ago) and now he is exclusively focused on the national interests of Russian Federation.
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richwicks
2022 Jun 3, 10:51pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 3, 10:51pm
tomtomtom says
Putin, and the real power behind him, have realized this is a useless endeavor. Finally, it's been obvious for over a decade, but hope springs eternal.
There's going to be a new iron curtain, but it will be "the free world" that erects it. We are the new USSR.
Don't you believe a man that went through extensive surgery is a woman or that 2+2=5? Obey the state directives. We're in a pandemic after all. 5 year old children can decide their sex after all, don't you believe that? We live in a nation of absurdities and we have a corrupt, war criminal, asshole who takes bribes from China and Ukraine, as "president". Most popular president ever.
The USSR was run by a criminal syndicate - now we are.
Putin was extremely pro-western when he came to power (a while ago)
Putin, and the real power behind him, have realized this is a useless endeavor. Finally, it's been obvious for over a decade, but hope springs eternal.
There's going to be a new iron curtain, but it will be "the free world" that erects it. We are the new USSR.
Don't you believe a man that went through extensive surgery is a woman or that 2+2=5? Obey the state directives. We're in a pandemic after all. 5 year old children can decide their sex after all, don't you believe that? We live in a nation of absurdities and we have a corrupt, war criminal, asshole who takes bribes from China and Ukraine, as "president". Most popular president ever.
The USSR was run by a criminal syndicate - now we are.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 6:10am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 6:10am
richwicks says
That is contrary to facts. They tried to finish it in 3 days and failed. Now they fail to move even in Donbass substantially. They needed years and years to squash Chechnya, and somehow now Ukraine goes according to their plans? Stop thinking of Putin as a fucking genius - may be he was, but not any more. He is a leader of a failed criminal syndicate.
Dude, if Ukraine still exists as a nation depends on a decision by Russia at the end of this. I suspect they will be allowed to exist, but under a very severe thumb.
That is contrary to facts. They tried to finish it in 3 days and failed. Now they fail to move even in Donbass substantially. They needed years and years to squash Chechnya, and somehow now Ukraine goes according to their plans? Stop thinking of Putin as a fucking genius - may be he was, but not any more. He is a leader of a failed criminal syndicate.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 4, 6:21am
PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 4, 6:21am
Bd6r says
Love it, and pretty much true. But an important fact to keep in mind is that Bidet Regime is part of a *successful criminal syndicate*. Does that give Potatus the moral high ground over Putler?
Oh and one more thing, that successful criminal syndicate Bidet Regime is part of? yeah it includes the government of Ukraine. Go figure.
What we have here are two gangsters fighting over territory. It is the people of Ukraine, USA and really the entire world who are suffering under the thumb of rival mobsters.
Stop thinking of Putin as a fucking genius - may be he was, but not any more. He is a leader of a failed criminal syndicate.
Love it, and pretty much true. But an important fact to keep in mind is that Bidet Regime is part of a *successful criminal syndicate*. Does that give Potatus the moral high ground over Putler?
Oh and one more thing, that successful criminal syndicate Bidet Regime is part of? yeah it includes the government of Ukraine. Go figure.
What we have here are two gangsters fighting over territory. It is the people of Ukraine, USA and really the entire world who are suffering under the thumb of rival mobsters.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 6:42am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 6:42am
PeopleUnited says
Will not be succesful for long any more methinks
Bidet Regime is part of a *successful criminal syndicate*.
Will not be succesful for long any more methinks
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 6:58am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 6:58am
And proponents of BUT PUTIN IS PROTECTOR OF CHRISTIAN VALUES should read the following
Russia has bombed and destroyed the wooden monastery of All Saints in Svyatogorsk Lavra today. It was built by local carpenters from massive pine logs and decorated with carvings in the ancient traditions of Russian wooden architecture of the 16th-17th centuries.
Russia has bombed and destroyed the wooden monastery of All Saints in Svyatogorsk Lavra today. It was built by local carpenters from massive pine logs and decorated with carvings in the ancient traditions of Russian wooden architecture of the 16th-17th centuries.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 4, 7:06am
PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 4, 7:06am
Bd6r says
Perhaps, but that just means something more ruthless is waiting in the wings. Bidet is no defender of Christian values either. And by 2035 we will probably see people with Christian values tortured and killed for their beliefs in western nations just like they are in China, and other satanic strongholds.
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
PeopleUnited saysBidet Regime is part of a *successful criminal syndicate*.
Will not be succesful for long any more methinks
Perhaps, but that just means something more ruthless is waiting in the wings. Bidet is no defender of Christian values either. And by 2035 we will probably see people with Christian values tortured and killed for their beliefs in western nations just like they are in China, and other satanic strongholds.
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 8:13am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 8:13am
PeopleUnited says
He's a good ad for depends, and nothing else - no values whatsoever at this point, and I am not sure if there were any values at any point of his life.
Bidet is no defender of Christian values either.
He's a good ad for depends, and nothing else - no values whatsoever at this point, and I am not sure if there were any values at any point of his life.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 1:06pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 1:06pm
DooDahMan says
Do I really need to tell you why @DooDahMan or is this a rhetorical question?
utterly unclear why the US has not sanctioned the export of high-tech electronic and optical systems to Russia
Do I really need to tell you why @DooDahMan or is this a rhetorical question?
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Patrick
2022 Jun 4, 1:22pm
Patrick
2022 Jun 4, 1:22pm
I don't see why either. Why hasn't the US sanctioned the export of high-tech electronic and optical systems to Russia?
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 1:56pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 1:56pm
Patrick says
@Patrick
You are so naive it is endearing. Which type of policy brings the most PROFIT!!! to rayethon boeing and the likes?
I don't see why either. Why hasn't the US sanctioned the export of high-tech electronic and optical systems to Russia?
@Patrick
You are so naive it is endearing. Which type of policy brings the most PROFIT!!! to rayethon boeing and the likes?
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Patrick
2022 Jun 4, 1:57pm
Patrick
2022 Jun 4, 1:57pm
But the US has imposed sanctions on Russia which have hurt other US industries. So exempting Raytheon and Boeing would be inconsistent.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 2:04pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 2:04pm
Patrick says
I m not quite sure if other companies are really hurting as the sanctions are laughable.
But the US has imposed sanctions on Russia which have hurt other US industries. So exempting Raytheon and Boeing would be inconsistent.
I m not quite sure if other companies are really hurting as the sanctions are laughable.
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richwicks
2022 Jun 4, 2:39pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 4, 2:39pm
Bd6r says
When did Russia ever say this? When did Russia EVER talk about their war plans?
Bd6r says
Every government is a criminal syndicate.
But if you think Russia is bad, what does that make the United States? Mother fuckers have been in 20 years of war and is STILL in fucking war. You don't even know who the fuck they are currently bombing.
The US - the land of the king hypocrite.
That is contrary to facts. They tried to finish it in 3 days and failed.
When did Russia ever say this? When did Russia EVER talk about their war plans?
Bd6r says
Now they fail to move even in Donbass substantially. They needed years and years to squash Chechnya, and somehow now Ukraine goes according to their plans? Stop thinking of Putin as a fucking genius - may be he was, but not any more. He is a leader of a failed criminal syndicate.
Every government is a criminal syndicate.
But if you think Russia is bad, what does that make the United States? Mother fuckers have been in 20 years of war and is STILL in fucking war. You don't even know who the fuck they are currently bombing.
The US - the land of the king hypocrite.
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richwicks
2022 Jun 4, 2:43pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 4, 2:43pm
Patrick says
When has the United States ever shown any consistency?
Remember who our real rulers are - the Federal Reserve - they create as much money as they wish, and they aren't audited. They are wealthy beyond imagination, they only exist for power now.
Everything they do is to increase their power, and our traitorous government is a servant to them, not to industry, not to corporations, not to us. Just the Federal Reserve.
But the US has imposed sanctions on Russia which have hurt other US industries. So exempting Raytheon and Boeing would be inconsistent.
When has the United States ever shown any consistency?
Remember who our real rulers are - the Federal Reserve - they create as much money as they wish, and they aren't audited. They are wealthy beyond imagination, they only exist for power now.
Everything they do is to increase their power, and our traitorous government is a servant to them, not to industry, not to corporations, not to us. Just the Federal Reserve.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 2:53pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 2:53pm
richwicks says
Try reading Russian internets in Russian, they are illuminating. I gave a link on patnet showing that they did talk about occupation of major cities. I would not trust media in English about this.
richwicks says
Every gubbermint in the world
DooDahMan says
Serbians come to my mind, circa 1995
When did Russia ever say this? When did Russia EVER talk about their war plans?
Try reading Russian internets in Russian, they are illuminating. I gave a link on patnet showing that they did talk about occupation of major cities. I would not trust media in English about this.
richwicks says
The US - the land of the king hypocrite.
Every gubbermint in the world
DooDahMan says
Well when’s the last white people you can remember that we bombed?
Serbians come to my mind, circa 1995
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richwicks
2022 Jun 4, 4:36pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 4, 4:36pm
Bd6r says
Don't point to a fucking haystack and tell me to look for a needle. If you don't have a link, fuck off. I don't consider you trustworthy or honest. I don't waste any time dismissing your bullshit.
Bd6r says
Yes, every government is hypocritical, but we're the Empire of Lies. Our hypocrisy is staggering. That's why George W. Bush said this:
original link
If you listen closely, he says "Iraq too" as well. That mother fucker should be hanged. The US has NO MORAL standing whatsoever now.
Our government engages OPENLY in double standards. They aren't seeking peace, they don't promote democracy, they are complete criminals. People who don't recognize that at this point, are fucking idiots.
Our government is so openly criminal it's embarrassing. There are no principles that our government won't violate. Our government tortures people, engages in false flags, murders US citizens for false flags, passes laws they enforce selectively, refuse to enforce laws when it's convenient for criminals. We have the NSA, FBI, and CIA lying to congress, we have Hillary Clinton OPENLY engaging in sedition, selling government secrets through illegal computer servers - nothing happens.
Our government is nothing but a criminal syndicate.
richwicks saysWhen did Russia ever say this? When did Russia EVER talk about their war plans?
Try reading Russian internets in Russian, they are illuminating. I gave a link on patnet showing that they did talk about occupation of major cities. I would not trust media in English about this.
Don't point to a fucking haystack and tell me to look for a needle. If you don't have a link, fuck off. I don't consider you trustworthy or honest. I don't waste any time dismissing your bullshit.
Bd6r says
richwicks saysThe US - the land of the king hypocrite.
Every gubbermint in the world
Yes, every government is hypocritical, but we're the Empire of Lies. Our hypocrisy is staggering. That's why George W. Bush said this:
original link
If you listen closely, he says "Iraq too" as well. That mother fucker should be hanged. The US has NO MORAL standing whatsoever now.
Our government engages OPENLY in double standards. They aren't seeking peace, they don't promote democracy, they are complete criminals. People who don't recognize that at this point, are fucking idiots.
Our government is so openly criminal it's embarrassing. There are no principles that our government won't violate. Our government tortures people, engages in false flags, murders US citizens for false flags, passes laws they enforce selectively, refuse to enforce laws when it's convenient for criminals. We have the NSA, FBI, and CIA lying to congress, we have Hillary Clinton OPENLY engaging in sedition, selling government secrets through illegal computer servers - nothing happens.
Our government is nothing but a criminal syndicate.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 4:42pm
Bd6r
2022 Jun 4, 4:42pm
richwicks says
I gave a quote on this thread, dont be lazy and find it or fuck off yourself. Or search Yandex in Russian instead of swearing.
Don't point to a fucking haystack and tell me to look for a needle. If you don't have a link, fuck off. I don't consider you trustworthy or honest. I don't waste any time dismissing your bullshit.
I gave a quote on this thread, dont be lazy and find it or fuck off yourself. Or search Yandex in Russian instead of swearing.
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richwicks
2022 Jun 4, 11:08pm
richwicks
2022 Jun 4, 11:08pm
Bd6r says
A quote? Give me a link.
I'm not going to do any fucking work to prove you are telling the truth when consistently you have shown dishonesty.
Where's the quote? What's the problem, too much staggering effort to quote something with a link that doesn't exist in it, while you lie about having links in your quote?
You're lying is my opinion, and I'm not wasting my time to prove it.
I gave a quote on this thread, dont be lazy and find it or fuck off yourself.
A quote? Give me a link.
I'm not going to do any fucking work to prove you are telling the truth when consistently you have shown dishonesty.
Where's the quote? What's the problem, too much staggering effort to quote something with a link that doesn't exist in it, while you lie about having links in your quote?
You're lying is my opinion, and I'm not wasting my time to prove it.
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Bd6r
2022 Jun 5, 5:18am
Bd6r
2022 Jun 5, 5:18am
Here is the link from my earlier post, and dont be a lazy and potty-mouthed boy:
https://bloknot.ru/obshhestvo/chto-nam-zhdat-9-maya-pervoj-ser-eznoj-pobedy-ili-nachala-bol-shoj-vojny-923735.html
https://bloknot.ru/obshhestvo/chto-nam-zhdat-9-maya-pervoj-ser-eznoj-pobedy-ili-nachala-bol-shoj-vojny-923735.html
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Shaman
2022 Jun 5, 7:23am
Shaman
2022 Jun 5, 7:23am
I do believe that the Russians tried a blitz at the beginning to finish the war swiftly and that it failed. This fact should not be conflated with the belief that they can’t win given a more cautious strategy (which they’ve been pursuing).
The fact remains that the only path to peace is through negotiations. Pretending that the Ukrainian irregulars are going to “beat Russia” isn’t just hopelessly naive, it’s terribly destructive, dangerous, and ruinous to the people of that region.
The fact remains that the only path to peace is through negotiations. Pretending that the Ukrainian irregulars are going to “beat Russia” isn’t just hopelessly naive, it’s terribly destructive, dangerous, and ruinous to the people of that region.
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2022 Jun 5, 7:25am
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2022 Jun 5, 7:25am
Nuland-Pyatt Video Restored to YouTube
The video, with more than 181,000 views, in which top U.S. officials in 2014 discuss changing the Ukrainian government, had been removed from YouTube after more than 8 years.
A video of a leaked conversation between then Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, which had been removed from YouTube, has been restored.
In the video, the two discuss changing the Ukrainian government weeks before the democratically-elected President Viktor Yanukovych was violently driven from power.
The video, posted on April 29, 2014 had 181,533 views before it was taken down on Wednesday, was among the most viewed versions of the conversation on YouTube. Eight years worth of viewer comments on the video had also been removed.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/05/27/nuland-pyatt-video-restored-to-youtube/
The video, with more than 181,000 views, in which top U.S. officials in 2014 discuss changing the Ukrainian government, had been removed from YouTube after more than 8 years.
A video of a leaked conversation between then Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the then U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, which had been removed from YouTube, has been restored.
In the video, the two discuss changing the Ukrainian government weeks before the democratically-elected President Viktor Yanukovych was violently driven from power.
The video, posted on April 29, 2014 had 181,533 views before it was taken down on Wednesday, was among the most viewed versions of the conversation on YouTube. Eight years worth of viewer comments on the video had also been removed.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/05/27/nuland-pyatt-video-restored-to-youtube/
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Patrick
2022 Jun 5, 10:03am
Patrick
2022 Jun 5, 10:03am
Patrick says
Ah, that is one of the things I was semi-remembering about Nuland.
Al_Sharpton_for_President says
Nuland definitely seemed to have plotted US control of Ukraine. I'd have to go back and look at interviews with her, but you could look them up as well.
Ah, that is one of the things I was semi-remembering about Nuland.
Al_Sharpton_for_President says
The video, with more than 181,000 views, in which top U.S. officials in 2014 discuss changing the Ukrainian government, had been removed from YouTube after more than 8 years.
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mell
2022 Jun 5, 10:07am
Shaman says
Agreed. The most egregious issue is that nobody is negotiating. They clearly want as many Ukrainians and Russians to die as possible. Asshoes!
I do believe that the Russians tried a blitz at the beginning to finish the war swiftly and that it failed. This fact should not be conflated with the belief that they can’t win given a more cautious strategy (which they’ve been pursuing).
The fact remains that the only path to peace is through negotiations. Pretending that the Ukrainian irregulars are going to “beat Russia” isn’t just hopelessly naive, it’s terribly destructive, dangerous, and ruinous to the people of that region.
Agreed. The most egregious issue is that nobody is negotiating. They clearly want as many Ukrainians and Russians to die as possible. Asshoes!
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PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 5, 10:16am
PeopleUnited
2022 Jun 5, 10:16am
Shaman says
It is true, the war can end today if Ukraine will compromise and accept a diplomatic solution.
But Ukraine’s leaders are owned by the western crime syndicate, and it is helping them achieve their goals of world government. They (globalists) are ruining the middle class and poor people of the world with high food and fuel prices and blaming the Russians. It’s called depopulation. enslavement of the survivors is the endgame. This is the second to last chapter in the book. The next chapter is so ugly, those who lives to see it will wish they didn’t.
I do believe that the Russians tried a blitz at the beginning to finish the war swiftly and that it failed. This fact should not be conflated with the belief that they can’t win given a more cautious strategy (which they’ve been pursuing).
The fact remains that the only path to peace is through negotiations. Pretending that the Ukrainian irregulars are going to “beat Russia” isn’t just hopelessly naive, it’s terribly destructive, dangerous, and ruinous to the people of that region.
It is true, the war can end today if Ukraine will compromise and accept a diplomatic solution.
But Ukraine’s leaders are owned by the western crime syndicate, and it is helping them achieve their goals of world government. They (globalists) are ruining the middle class and poor people of the world with high food and fuel prices and blaming the Russians. It’s called depopulation. enslavement of the survivors is the endgame. This is the second to last chapter in the book. The next chapter is so ugly, those who lives to see it will wish they didn’t.
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1. Many Patnetters think that because Ukraine is supported by Bidet and the rest of WEF types, it must mean that Ukrainians must be WEF/Bidet supporters. Please remember Afghanistan in 1980's...this is the best analogy. Tell people that help you what they want to hear to get what you want from them. Note gay marriage is illegal in Ukraine etc.
2. One issue that I am struggling with is why Putin attacked Ukraine at time which was most suitable for our ruling class (this took heat away from Bidet and his Euro counterparts from inflation and horribly mismanaged artificial pLandemic). I have few possible explanations and I will list them in order of decreasing probability.
A. Putin is in cahoots with WEF crowd. Ukrainians and Russians suffer in this battle of pawns. He was asked to attack at this particular time.
B. Putin has lost his abilities of cold calculation that he had all these years. Either age or cancer.
C. Coincidence - but those are almost nonexistent.
3. About judging what the hell happens on ground in Ukraine. Dont listen to ghosts of Kiyiv or Zerohedge (which BTW is a CNN of the East aka filial of RT). Look at https://nitter.mstdn.social/oryxspioenkop and see where and what losses are listed for each side. Captured or abandoned equipment means that the other side is advancing in that region. Read also https://nitter.mstdn.social/newkc14 which is Chechen Al Nusra - they dont lie although they favor Ukrainians. News such as "ghost of Kiyiv downed 35 Russian planes" or "Ukrainians desert and surrender en masse" are clickbait for idiots.
4. It is clear that Russian goals (assuming the idea was to defeat Ukraine and not distract Western popular opinion from covid and transfer $$$ to Rayethon) were not achieved. You can see for yourself how did it go for them. From destroying Nazi govt and not letting it join NATO it has morphed to "liberating" a few districts and withdrawing from swaths of central Ukraine with thousands dead. Incidentally, Russia will get a new 1000 mile border with NATO in Finland 150 miles from its biggest city St Petersburg. This is not WINNING!!! and Putin the great has crapped his own pants.
5. It is clear that war in Ukraine is not a US war. Let Europe help Ukraine and sell arms to them. It is also clear that Scholz and his W. European counterparts are typical soy persons, contrary to Poles and the rest of East Europeans (we need to discuss if aggression has to be met by physical force -quote by soyScholtz). Perhaps Poland has to occupy half of Germany. I am sure they could do it rather bloodlessly.
6. Russian atrocities. While we cant believe much if what Ukr or NYT say, Russian track record in Chechnya where they killed a fifth of population means that this is likely happening in Ukraine as well. If/when Ukrainians get into Russia, it will be the same - this is Eastern Europe with specific habits.
7. How will this end. Either this will be a festering conflict for years where one side moves 5 miles here and other side moves 10 miles there, or one of the sides will have an internal collapse/revolution.
8. Opinion of persons who dont speak Russian/ukrainian and are not familiar with the region but feel important enough to analyze situation is quite funny, esp after they show lack of simple knowledge about geography, habits, and populations of the region...
9. I hope Ukrainians win, for 2 major reasons: Russia attacked them twice so they deserve their ass being kicked, and if Ukr win, I suspect NATO in Europe will collapse...this is chatter I hear from E Europe.