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The reality of the energy density of the liquid fuels, what we get for what we pay, $6 or even $20 is an incredible bargain, compared to feeding-watering-taking care of horses.

We will pay whatever we have to, for our jobs and our businesses and whatever, causing spending on other stuff to drop.

Very bad for the economy. Many businesses will be killed by these prices.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The reality of the energy density of the liquid fuels, what we get for what we pay, $6 or even $20 is an incredible bargain, compared to feeding-watering-taking care of horses.

Sacramento, Davis, Dixon, Vacaville, Fairfield, Vallejo are separated by about 10 miles each. The reason for this is a horse drawn wagon could cover 10 to 30 miles a day and little towns naturally popped up where people rested for the night.

I'm glad I don't commute on a horse.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

And news of course ignores it, it's just ok. they are too fucking busy worrying about some country fuck knows where in Europe near Russia.

Oh, you didn't hear the explanation.

It's all Putin's fault you're paying higher gas prices. Jen Psaki said so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sArRHq4e6_k&source=patrick.net

It's not as if a government official lied through their teeth, our free and fair press wouldn't call them out. It's a free country after all. It's a dumbocracy. Any public government official telling OBVIOUS lies to the public like they were fucking idiots, would surely be called out, if they weren't, why that would mean the public are just a bunch of hair brained idiots that would believe any BS if a government official said it.

And we all know that's not the case.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The reality of the energy density of the liquid fuels, what we get for what we pay, $6 or even $20 is an incredible bargain, compared to feeding-watering-taking care of horses.

My father, who was born in 1938 told me a story about his uncle he heard when he was a kid - his first ride in a car.

His uncle was driven from Harrisville NY to Star Lake. He got there in an hour. He never gone so fast in his life!

They are 20 miles apart.

I wonder how many talked to the Silent generation when you were kids. My grandmother and her siblings told me that "life was so much easier". They got vacuum cleaners, washing machines, and dish washers introduced to them in their lifetime. They used to beat rugs to clean them, scrub clothes on a wash board, and of course all dishes were washed by hand. Most of them didn't bother with a dish washer, it only took a few minutes to clean by hand anyhow. Why bother with a dish washer?

Truth be told, this is a tax on the poor and working class. It doesn’t impact the well off folks IMO. I hope the poor and working class folks, who voted for Biden, are happy with their votes.

Plug-in hybrid cars must be getting a good mark-up now. Econ 101.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

6.10 already in our area. Fucking $6.10 It is insane.

Where are you located? I assume California?

B.A.C.A.H. says

The reality of the energy density of the liquid fuels, what we get for what we pay, $6 or even $20 is an incredible bargain, compared to feeding-watering-taking care of horses.

We will pay whatever we have to, for our jobs and our businesses and whatever, causing spending on other stuff to drop.

The reality is most of the rest of the nation doesn’t pay anywhere near what we do in Commiefornia.

This is because of a combination of yammering and pressure from faux environmentalists resulting in stupid rules imposed on the processing of oil into gas in Commiefornia and an insatiable lust by Commiefornia politicians for other peoples money they can spend, resulting in the highest gas taxes in the country.

And we won’t even get into the fucking absolute lunacy of Biden shutting down the Keystone pipeline and making other moves that slowed the US pumping and fracking and getting our own fucking oil instead of relying on assholes that wish harm on my treasured US of A.

Fuck the Democrats. Fuck Gavin Newsome. Fuck Joe Biden.

Of course, instead of the scum lying press and government blaming it on Putin, they should call it the Biden pay cut.

Families living paycheck to paycheck just got slashed over 1-1.5k per month in fuel costs and inflation. Santa Cruz is a place you can get along without a car, but not often the greater Bay Area (richwicks excepted) and certainly not LA.

richwicks says

I wonder how many talked to the Silent generation when you were kids

My mother's generation saw the first of a lot of things we have today as well. The youngest in her family of seven, she was born in 1902 and started teaching in 1924. She would have driven or my father taken her to school in that day's equivalent of a Model T Ford and it wouldn't have been a new one. When she retired 46 years later in 1970, the difference in years between today and 1976, she bought a brand new LTD with all the comforts available at the time. Her generation was also the last generation to teach real subjects in real schools by real teachers.

My grandmother was a school teacher in a 1 room school house, when she was 19.

Ever look at a schoolbook from that time?

My GREAT grandmother went to school in a horse and buggy. She didn't believe man landed on the moon, she thought that it was complete hogwash. I can appreciate her disdain considering she was born before cars were a thing, before the Wright Brothers flew, before telephones or radio were common. She saw the invention of television. I think she died before computers became a household thing.

It’s too bad they didn’t encourage us to use natural gas to run our cars.
I would have considered converting a vehicle to CNG but there’s no place to fill up almost.
It’s better all around and cheaper, just slightly less power than gasoline.
Buses run fine on it all over the place.
Crude oil was over $100 back in 2013 and 2014.
Luckily I am able to buy it and in Florida I just paid $3.99
I drive around at 45mph (not the freeway) and get 29mpg.
They don’t need to raise interest rates, oil prices will slow down the economy just fine.

richwicks says

B.A.C.A.H. says

The reality of the energy density of the liquid fuels, what we get for what we pay, $6 or even $20 is an incredible bargain, compared to feeding-watering-taking care of horses.

My father, who was born in 1938 told me a story about his uncle he heard when he was a kid - his first ride in a car.

His uncle was driven from Harrisville NY to Star Lake. He got there in an hour. He never gone so fast in his life!

They are 20 miles apart.

I wonder how many talked to the Silent generation when you were kids. My grandmother and her siblings told me that "life was so much easier". They got vacuum cleaners, washing machines, and dish washers introduced to them in their lifetime. They used to beat rugs to clean them, scrub clothes on a wash board, and of course all dishes were washed by hand. Most of them didn't bother with a dish washer, it only took a few minutes...

And that is also why there weren't any fat people back then either.

clambo says

It’s too bad they didn’t encourage us to use natural gas to run our cars.
I would have considered converting a vehicle to CNG but there’s no place to fill up almost.
It’s better all around and cheaper, just slightly less power than gasoline.
Buses run fine on it all over the place.

I had one of those, 2007 - 2018. It was an off-the-shelf CNG-powered Honda Civic. Got the Cool And Hip California Air Resources Board ("CARB") rebate and tax credits. These payments just about cancelled out the premium I had to pay over getting a gasoline-powered Civic.
For driving around the Bay Area the fueling worked out OK. There's fueling places here and there for the buses, delivery vans and whatnot. PG&E maintenance yards, UPS terminals, airports (for their shuttles), and some retail locations.

It's true the CNG price was always lower than gasoline. When gasoline spiked in 2008, CNG price tracked with gasoline, up about the same percentage.

The drawback is the tank is only good for ten years. After that, the insurance company, the PG&E filling stations, and the Honda dealer service places require the tank replacement due to concern for metal fatigue cycling to the 3600 psi. (The tank is like a bomb). The replacement cost is $8500. I traded in the car for a plug in hybrid in 2018

Willy Wilson in Chicago is giving away $1M in gas today in Chicago. $50 per car allowance. It totally is fucking up traffic. Me thinks he's going to run for mayor of Chicago or Cook County President again. I've never heard the traffic chick so shocked on the morning news. Every arterial street and interstate was fucked up this morning. Thank god I didn't need to go to the city for a flight.

As a former commuter for 15 years I've never seen anything like it, at least on the news.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Maybe instead of sending Ukraine billions they should send us gas vouchers, it's our fucking money!

If you want gas vouchers - move to California: Newscum will be sending $400 per vehicle.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

6.10 already in our area. Fucking $6.10 It is insane.

You should be happy - it hits Demon Rats voters the hardest.

I want to get that bumper sticker “Trust me, you’re fucked.”

The government is paying losers to breed more losers; it also encourages foreigners to come here to breed. The absolute worst is bringing in muslims to breed.

The teeming masses will cause your taxes to rise, price of housing to rise, gasoline consumption increases and oil prices rise, everything will rise.

The least of your problems is the cost of gasoline.

Ironically for me is the more poor are bred, the more shit they consume and the more stocks rise, including dividends. So, I hate the situation but I’m getting richer.

When I went to the Apple Store to recycle a laptop I was pleased to see all of them who contributed to my AAPL dividends.

Does anyone think high gas prices will act kinda like an alternative way to dampen economic activity? Rising interest rates takes money out of the economy, cooling inflation. Making people pay more for gas also takes money out of the economy, although, since gas/oil is an input cost for so many things, it would seem to cause inflation at the same time by increasing prices due to increasing input costs. I'm not sure how the duality would balance out, but maybe it would generally cool inflation while increasing it in some specific areas.

Also, I heard someone say the us is in a unique position compared to the rest of the world in that we have great access to shale oil. Regular oil wells take months or years to build and produce, while shale takes a mere month or 2. So the rising oil prices will very soon cause new shale oil output that wasnt previously possible at lower prices. Although, seems to me this means oil prices may stop climbing for us, but I'm not sure it means they will come down much, as if prices fall too far, those new shale wells would shut down - they have to stay somewhat elevated to keep the new shale wells online.

clambo says

When I went to the Apple Store to recycle a laptop I was pleased to see all of them who contributed to my AAPL dividends.

Why, you calloused rentier, you. Maybe we should change your moniker to Caligula Clambo.

Hircus says

Although, seems to me this means oil prices may stop climbing for us, but I'm not sure it means they will come down much, as if prices fall too far, those new shale wells would shut down - they have to stay somewhat elevated to keep the new shale wells online.

None of it makes sense. I feel like globalist and industries just take turn raping the public. We literally had 2 years of people sitting at home. No one stopped drilling or grabbing existing oil and population didn't grow at a rate that warrants these increases, Biden just stopped expansion. And demand had to be 20-30% lower with work from home even before Covid. More people driving EV's as well.

Supply chain got fucked up, but we should have massive amounts of oil ready to refine after demand dropped. Again, the market just doesn't make sense. I've been reading about $1k/person flights out of Boston to Mexico and Jamaica. Part of me thinks some of this is make up for the Covid drop off in fuel usage for profit and isn't a rational market.

clambo says

Ironically for me is the more poor are bred, the more shit they consume and the more stocks rise, including dividends.

For some time now I've felt the motives behind the obvious push by dems to let many illegals in (and the half-hearted faux resistance to it staged by most reps) is:
- Many large businesses with heavy political donation power want lots of cheap labor to pick their berries.
- Demographics. Our country has a lackluster birthrate by Americans. Illegals from south of the border still like to have babies, so letting many millions of them in will reenergize and reshape our population growth pyramid. This will help us deal with our debt in the future, keeping the ponzi spending scheme going, as well as make most large business owners (donors) happy by growing their client base via pop growth. It would also help us to stay powerful - the chyna economy will eclipse ours mostly due to their larger population, so reducing the gap would be expected to help.
-Votes, of course too.

Fuck Joe Biden!

10 cents/kWh at Prospect HS in Saratoga during peak hours. Unheard of.

WineHorror1 says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

6.10 already in our area. Fucking $6.10 It is insane.

Where are you located? I assume California?

for 3 more month yeah. not gonna be cheaper by much in Idaho though. ill be making less there too, its a wash

Eman says

Truth be told, this is a tax on the poor and working class. It doesn’t impact the well off folks IMO. I hope the poor and working class folks, who voted for Biden, are happy with their votes.

The immediate impact is on the poor and working class. The more affluent will feel it slowly over time with increased taxes and other government-induced problems.

I hear some states are cancelling their state taxes on fuel. I don't see how this will help much, as it won't increase supply or decrease demand.

Here in California, there's a proposal to give $400 to every registered vehicle owner. I suppose this includes EVs? The good news is that it isn't means tested, so I'll finally be getting some tiny bit of my tax money back from the state!

SunnyvaleCA says

Eman says

Truth be told, this is a tax on the poor and working class. It doesn’t impact the well off folks IMO. I hope the poor and working class folks, who voted for Biden, are happy with their votes.

The immediate impact is on the poor and working class. The more affluent will feel it slowly over time with increased taxes and other government-induced problems.

This is what you’re projecting. Time will tell. I’m not smart to know, and it’s beyond my control. Over 90% of our net worth is in Bay Area real estate. I want to raise my cash stash so I can just pick up my bags and leave CA when SHTF.

This place has become a living hell for the working class IMO. I don’t know how they make ends meet.

SunnyvaleCA says

I hear some states are cancelling their state taxes on fuel. I don't see how this will help much, as it won't increase supply or decrease demand.

Here in California, there's a proposal to give $400 to every registered vehicle owner. I suppose this includes EVs? The good news is that it isn't means tested, so I'll finally be getting some tiny bit of my tax money back from the state!

So far the proposal Does include EVs. I think it shouldn’t. EV owners don’t pay fuel road taxes at the pump, and as such, those vehicles that are full BEV should be excluded from any kind of fuel tax offsetting payout.

Hircus is correct, rising crude oil prices will slow down the economy so raising interest rates is now unnecessary.

clambo says

Hircus is correct, rising crude oil prices will slow down the economy so raising interest rates is now unnecessary.

This may have been the point of provoking Russia into invading Ukraine and then sanctions that are going to hurt the world more than Russia. The Fed can’t raise rates much without bankrupting our government. But if you just kill the economy and make everyone poorer, that will also kill inflation.

Putin needed no provocation.

On Feb 14 Germany clearly said that NATO membership for Ukraine was not under consideration.

ForcedTQ says

EV owners don’t pay fuel road taxes at the pump, and as such, those vehicles that are full BEV should be excluded from any kind of fuel tax offsetting payout.

I'd agree. Cars generally are not the wear and tear on the road though. It's semi's which include fuel trucks. Weight is the biggest factor in road deterioration in a place like CA. IL it's the freeze/thaw cycle of winter combined with trucks. I don't like EV's for my personal use, but I see value in them, but also understand the need for ICE vehicles. It's a balancing act.

I don't know what the happy medium is. I'm biased because high oil prices and huge trucks make me more money. EV's are not the "green dream" most people believe. You'd need 60-80% of electric output to be solar, wind, hydro or nukes for that to be the case. No where near that. Lithium ain't cheap to extract and most certainly uses ICE construction equipment. Then factor in coal power plants and it's not what everyone thinks it is.

You can link propaganda articles about ICE vehicles, but they're not reducing emissions and likely putting more out. Maybe in 10-20 years it will be different. Right now your Tesla is emitting more than a Honda Civic 100%. Either way I don't care. I'm not convinced CO2 is doing anything. Given the power of the sun, a 1,000 mile shift in orbit (totally nothing) could shift temperatures. Given the distances that's a rounding error, but could raise temp 1ºF and has nothing to do with CO2. So we extract earth minerals for feel goods. Logical...

And yes, I get the driving and acceleration, it's fun. But people gotta stop thinking they're doing something good. They're not.

Shaman says

This may have been the point of provoking Russia into invading Ukraine

Poor, stupid Russia: got herself provoked into a quagmire for no good reason. Low IQ country indeed.

clambo says

Putin needed no provocation.

On Feb 14 Germany clearly said that NATO membership for Ukraine was not under consideration.

And after a month of war it's abundantly clear to everyone that Ukrainian military was nowere near being in position of successfully invading Russia with any meaningful results. They are barely holding their lines, for fuck's sake and attacking requires even more capabilities than defense.

It is also abundantly clear that NATO was not "itching for war with Russia" either because it's now peeing its collective panties at even possibility of handing over old MiGs.

Eric Holder says

Shaman says

This may have been the point of provoking Russia into invading Ukraine

Poor, stupid Russia: got herself provoked into a quagmire for no good reason. Low IQ country indeed.

The USA had far less reason to be “provoked” into a second war/quagmire with Iraq. Or even Afghanistan.

Shaman says

Eric Holder says

Shaman says

This may have been the point of provoking Russia into invading Ukraine

Poor, stupid Russia: got herself provoked into a quagmire for no good reason. Low IQ country indeed.

The USA had far less reason to be “provoked” into a second war/quagmire with Iraq. Or even Afghanistan.

So Putin is not smarter than Boooosh? QED.

Eric Holder says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Maybe instead of sending Ukraine billions they should send us gas vouchers, it's our fucking money!

If you want gas vouchers - move to California: Newscum will be sending $400 per vehicle.

I know CA, they'll tax me $1000, then they'll give me $50 back to feel good about myself. Because they are faggots!

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Eric Holder says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Maybe instead of sending Ukraine billions they should send us gas vouchers, it's our fucking money!

If you want gas vouchers - move to California: Newscum will be sending $400 per vehicle.

I know CA, they'll tax me $1000, then they'll give me $50 back to feel good about myself. Because they are faggots!

Which is exactly what they do with utilities charges. CO2 is bad surcharges on your electric and natural gas consumption come back to you at pennies on the dollar in the form of the California Climate Credit on your bill each April and October.

They say that money should be spent on energy efficiency upgrades to use less energy/fuel.