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What Is Going On In Israel Now And What Happens Going Forward


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2023 Oct 11, 5:24am   10,389 views  115 comments

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#israelicrisis Two of our readers are in Israel and still safe. They have had to go down to the bomb shelter of their hotel a few times when enemy rockets came in. My prayers are with them.
Since early Saturday morning, the situation in Israel has had my undivided attention. My "go-to" person who seems to understand the situation better than anyone else and its implications is Chris Cuomo. His family is political royalty in New York State. His dad was governor of New York. His brother was governor of New York State. Chris has worked as a very accomplished television journalist for decades. He is now on the News Nation Network. His show is broadcast at 17:00 and 21:00 Pacific time.
Chris is currently in Israel. He has brought out some surprising facts. First, some 100,000 US citizens live in Israel. Please reflect on this. My reading of this number is that the US is going to get drawn into what happens in Israel during this crisis. President Biden is publicly taking a calm and conciliatory attitude about this crisis. In private I am sure that he acts and talks differently.
Israel has a vibrant and brilliant high-technology industry. 1/5 of Israel's GDP comes from technology earnings. There is a claim that Israel has more high-tech startups than we have in Silicon Valley.
With all this technical prowess, Israel built a wall to separate it from the Gaza Strip. It is a brilliant metal fence with all sorts of electronic sensors and constant drone surveillance. It is far more advanced than anything we have built or will build along the Mexican border.
Hamas defeated this wall. They flew over it with paragliders. They defeated the electronic sensors. They knocked big holes in this fence and drove vehicles through them. I suspect that they spent two years preparing for this incursion. I am also sure that they had help from both Iran and Russia to come up with a plan to defeat this wall.
Your morning newspaper has an excellent article on why Israeli security forces and advanced technology failed. It is a profound warning for the US.
This morning there are many reports of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip rushing to overwhelm the Egyptian border to flee to that country. The resources do not exist in Egypt to handle such a huge influx of refugees.
Israel has set out the goal of eradicating Hamas. The Hamas people hide in tunnels and among civilians in the Gaza Strip. There will be a huge loss of life to achieve this goal.
Thus far, Hezbollah on Israel's other borders has remained quiet. This will not be the case as the hostilities continue. We are heading toward a direct conflict between Israel and Iran.
My advice to Israel and US military planners is to bring in some excellent military advisors from Ukraine. Some unconventional tactics and weapons are going to have to be used. One hint is that Iran has a serious Achilles Heel. Four refineries refine all the oil that they sell for massive foreign exchange earnings. If those 4 oil refineries were taken offline permanently, Iran's economy would collapse. Let your imagination run wild. I was once involved in a high-level war gaming group that looked at an Israeli attack on Iran to destroy its nuclear weapons program.

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52   RWSGFY   2023 Oct 29, 3:09pm  

Robert Sproul says


Eric Holder says


Having a good lawyer makes a shitload of differense when being prosecuted and these people who fell on the sword for him need every bit of help they can get.

The Fed Gov has a terrifying conviction rate. Virtually nobody 'wins' so few try.
"Only 2% of federal criminal defendants went to trial in 2018, and most who did were found guilty"
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/



It's because almost everything gets pleaded out. It's probably mostly the poor saps who don't have decent lawyers (because of lack of money or having a pigheaded illusion they can DIY it) who go to court and lose there. Watch how all these lawyers who got accused of "election interference" plead out to $5K fee + probation and "letter of apology".
53   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2023 Oct 30, 5:47am  

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56   RWSGFY   2023 Oct 31, 8:12am  

True birds of Nazi feather flock together:

The Foreign Ministry on Sunday summoned the Russian ambassador to complain of Moscow’s attitude during the war between Israel and Hamas, charging that Russia’s ties with the terror group give legitimacy for terror against the Jewish state.

The deputy director of the Foreign Ministry’s Euro – Asia Division, Simona Halperin, called in Moscow’s envoy Anatoly Viktorov and told him that Israel takes a “serious view” of Moscow not issuing a clear and unequivocal condemnation of Hamas, as well as of Russia’s conduct in international bodies, the ministry said in a statement.

The move came after last week Russia hosted Hamas representatives in Moscow for a meeting with its deputy foreign minister to discuss the war, which broke out when Hamas carried out a devastating attack in Israeli territory, killing over 1,400 and abducting at least 239 people, who are still being held captive in Gaza.

“Hosting Hamas leaders who are directly responsible for the murderous terror attack on October 7, the kidnapping of hostages and with the blood of over 1,400 Israelis on their hands, sends a message of legitimacy for terror against Israel,” Halperin told Viktorov.

Last Thursday, Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov held talks with Hamas figures in a meeting that was also attended by Ali Bagheri Kani, the deputy foreign minister of the terror group’s chief sponsor, Iran.

The goal of the visit was to discuss the ongoing war with Israel and ways to stop “Zionist crimes supported by the United States and the West,” according to Hamas.

Israel’s Foreign Ministry scolded Russia at the time for hosting representatives of the terror group, as Jerusalem’s public frustration with Russia grew.

Israel has repeatedly called out Moscow in recent days over its frequent statements against the Jewish state in the context of the war in Gaza, the Foreign Ministry told The Times of Israel last week.

An Israeli diplomat had a conversation with a Russian official last week to express Jerusalem’s “displeasure with the role Russia is playing” in the war against Hamas...


https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-summons-russian-ambassador-over-moscows-hosting-of-hamas-officials/amp/
57   Patrick   2023 Oct 31, 11:41am  





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66   komputodo   2023 Nov 4, 7:23pm  

after WW2 and the "holocaust", why didn't the US give a chunk of germany to the Jews to settle and avoid the constant fighting with the countries in the middle east?
67   komputodo   2023 Nov 4, 7:24pm  

Patrick seems to be "all in" for israel in this latest conflict. I wonder if he supports sending multi billions over there too? It will probably end up being 1/2 trillion by the time this shitshow is over.
68   Ceffer   2023 Nov 4, 7:37pm  

The only way you can 'lose' is by falling into the trap of picking a side in the Uniside.
69   Ceffer   2023 Nov 4, 7:42pm  

More Brainless Blather from the Manchurian to keep us from paying attention to the insurgencies flowing through our own borders.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/38350
70   AD   2023 Nov 4, 11:19pm  

komputodo says


after WW2 and the "holocaust", why didn't the US give a chunk of germany to the Jews to settle and avoid the constant fighting with the countries in the middle east?


It started up to a fervor in 1947: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine

I read that Argentina was proposed after World War 2 as a new Jewish state in order to avoid bloodshed in Palestine Mandatory (or the land of Israel). The problem with this is that the Ashkenazi Jews from Europe viewed their homeland as Palestine, and trace their heritage and family ancestors to Palestine.

The 1948 war triggered significant demographic change throughout the Middle East.

Around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes in the area that became Israel, and they became Palestinian refugees in what they refer to as the Nakba ("the catastrophe").

A similar number of Jews moved to Israel during the three years following the war, including 260,000 from the surrounding Arab states.

This is what now the Left and pro-Palestinian groups also call as "Occupation of Palestine" going back at least to 1948.

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71   RC2006   2023 Nov 5, 12:04am  

komputodo says


after WW2 and the "holocaust", why didn't the US give a chunk of germany to the Jews to settle and avoid the constant fighting with the countries in the middle east?


Jews already had plan set in the 1880s to buy up land to create Isreal. They had a campaign for funds being sent from jews around the world.

https://www.jnf.org/our-history
72   AD   2023 Nov 5, 12:22am  

RC2006 says

komputodo says

after WW2 and the "holocaust", why didn't the US give a chunk of germany to the Jews to settle and avoid the constant fighting with the countries in the middle east?

Jews already had plan set in the 1880s to buy up land to create Isreal. They had a campaign for funds being sent from jews around the world.

https://www.jnf.org/our-history


Reform Jews in 1890's rejected Zionism as they viewed their identity as a religion and not around a nation (of Israel).

Theodor Herzl was the driving force which started the settlement of Jews in Israel in late 1800's.

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74   Ceffer   2023 Nov 5, 4:57pm  

Low tech inexpensive street fighting pitted against hi tech expensive tanks and vehicles is proving that the urban warfare may not favor Israel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgNompyxOEM

75   Patrick   2023 Nov 5, 10:55pm  

The Palestinians are trying to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, and failing at killing them all.

The Israelis are trying to kill as few Palestinian civilians as possible, and failing at killing none.

Maybe that's not exactly correct, but I think it's pretty close.
79   AmericanKulak   2023 Nov 6, 9:20am  

ad says

I would like to see them use the F-35 for an attack role as they marketed it as stealth and also joint fighter and attack aircraft

think of all that US taxpayer money for the F-35 program since it started around the late 1990s

I guess they are holding back use of the F-35 for more demanding missions .. they should at least have F-35s deployed on the aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean

More like, they are terrified to use the F-35 whose software causes it to crash during mild turbulence (Utah, East Coast - 2 crashes in the past few months)
80   AmericanKulak   2023 Nov 6, 9:25am  

ad says


A similar number of Jews moved to Israel during the three years following the war, including 260,000 from the surrounding Arab states.

Most were Expelled. Iran (esp. after the Shah), Iraq and especially after the fall of Algeria.





https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/the-expulsion-of-jews-from-arab-countries-and-iran--an-untold-history
81   Eric Holder   2023 Nov 6, 6:00pm  

AmericanKulak says

ad says


I would like to see them use the F-35 for an attack role as they marketed it as stealth and also joint fighter and attack aircraft

think of all that US taxpayer money for the F-35 program since it started around the late 1990s

I guess they are holding back use of the F-35 for more demanding missions .. they should at least have F-35s deployed on the aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean

More like, they are terrified to use the F-35 whose software causes it to crash during mild turbulence (Utah, East Coast - 2 crashes in the past few months)


Israel have been using F-35s for years.
82   AmericanKulak   2023 Nov 6, 6:02pm  

Eric Holder says


Israel have been using F-35s for years.

Yep, and I guarantee they've been heavily de-Lockheedized.

The F-35, esp. with the software-caused crashes in turbulence, is already over. The USN and even the USAF are looking for the replacement which should have been 10 years ago. Missileer Bomber Mafia has to go. F-16XL.

Also time to recreate the Tactical Army Air Force and confine USAF to strategic bombing only, basically SAC and nothing else. Bombing is of limited utility and never won a war.

USN and USAF need to work on a long-range high capacity patrol bomber.
83   komputodo   2023 Nov 6, 7:29pm  

Ceffer says

Low tech inexpensive street fighting pitted against hi tech expensive tanks and vehicles is proving that the urban warfare may not favor Israel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgNompyxOEM



Remember vietnam and Afghanistan? Did all our high tech weaponry assure victory?
84   komputodo   2023 Nov 6, 7:32pm  

RC2006 says

Jews already had plan set in the 1880s to buy up land to create Isreal. They had a campaign for funds being sent from jews around the world.

GOD knows they couldn't change their plans...Really, the land called Israel is far better than some fertile land in Germany with a couple of big cities thrown in for good measure.
88   Patrick   2023 Nov 15, 2:01pm  

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-dog-that-isnt-barking


The dog that isn't barking

The world is giving Israel far more leeway to destroy Hamas than it seems at first

Last week, the New York Times offered a long piece on why Hamas had chosen to attack Israel on Oct. 7 (aside from the sheer pleasure of raping and killing Jews).

As is so often the case, the simplest answer appears right: Hamas’s leaders felt marginalized as Israel moved towards peace deals with Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia. They wanted to remind the world that millions of Palestinians live in squalor and provoke a vicious Israeli counterattack.

So far, so good.

But near the end of the article was this paragraph:




Back in the day when I worked at the Times, we called this “burying the lede.”

Because, yes, Hamas has succeeded in dragging Israel back into Gaza. But the Israeli strike has not provoked the counter-counter-attack that Hamas wanted. At least not yet.

Where is the West Bank uprising?

Where is Hezbollah’s attack on Israel’s northern border?

Where are the million-person protests against Israel in Arab capitals?

Where are the jihadists mobilizing to find their way to Egypt and then to Gaza?

Where’s the Saudi promise of unconditional support for Hamas? Or the threat of an oil embargo if Israel doesn’t agree to a ceasefire?

Of course, any or all of those moves might still happen - especially the Hezbollah attack. But Israeli airstrikes on Gaza began over a month ago. Its ground invasion started two weeks ago. It has already forced hundreds of thousands of Gaza residents out of the northern half of the territory so its soldiers can operate more freely.

And still, for all the angry words at Israel, and all the cease-fire demands, the loudest protests have come from the same coterie of Western progressives who have spent the last decade in a snit about climate change, with a brief break for Black Lives Matter.

For now, the Arab world appears content to let Hamas fight Israel alone.

Wall Street’s attitude is telling. The Standard and Poor’s 500 index fell about 5 percent in the three weeks after the attack, as investors wondered if a wider war was imminent. The index bottomed Fri., Oct. 27, just before Israel began its invasion.

But since then, it has rocketed higher, rising almost 10 percent. The snapback isn’t solely because concerns about the war’s broader impact have receded. Big investors increasingly believe the United States has controlled inflation. But if they feared a wider conflict or oil embargo were likely, stocks would not be rising this way.

Wall Street isn’t always right in its forecasts, but it is worth paying attention to, because its judgments are inherently apolitical.

In fact, arguably the most important question at this moment is why the Arab and Muslim world has not rallied more strongly to Hamas’s side.

The Saudi and Egyptian governments have their own reasons to want Hamas smashed. A powerful Hamas helps Iran, the Kingdom’s greatest rival, and threatens Egypt.

But maybe the reasons go beyond the usual cynicism of Arab rulers.

Maybe the butchery of Oct. 7 was just too much.

Maybe the years of ISIS’s cruelty, which was directed mostly against other Muslims and Arabs, have made ultraviolence and its broadcast over the Internet less acceptable to the Arab street. The captured pilot whom ISIS burned to death in a cage in 2015 wasn’t American or Israeli. He was Jordanian and Muslim, but the jihadis killed him in the cruelest way imaginable nonetheless.




Maybe Hamas would have been better served to attack and capture only Israeli military bases and leave its fighters to die heroically with their boots on. Maybe taking dozens of women and children as hostages wasn’t the best way to demonstrate the righteousness of the cause.

Instead Hamas chose to follow ISIS’s example.

And - again, at least for now - the world appears willing to let it suffer ISIS’s fate.
89   socal2   2023 Nov 15, 2:17pm  

Patrick says

And - again, at least for now - the world appears willing to let it suffer ISIS’s fate.


Yep - including Gazans who are sick of Hamas' shit.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1724721677186072594

Never fear! There are still loads of Islamists, Marxists, anti-Semites and woke Leftist retards in the West who are willing to march in the streets for Hamas.

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