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What Is Going On In Israel Now And What Happens Going Forward


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2023 Oct 11, 5:24am   10,410 views  115 comments

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#israelicrisis Two of our readers are in Israel and still safe. They have had to go down to the bomb shelter of their hotel a few times when enemy rockets came in. My prayers are with them.
Since early Saturday morning, the situation in Israel has had my undivided attention. My "go-to" person who seems to understand the situation better than anyone else and its implications is Chris Cuomo. His family is political royalty in New York State. His dad was governor of New York. His brother was governor of New York State. Chris has worked as a very accomplished television journalist for decades. He is now on the News Nation Network. His show is broadcast at 17:00 and 21:00 Pacific time.
Chris is currently in Israel. He has brought out some surprising facts. First, some 100,000 US citizens live in Israel. Please reflect on this. My reading of this number is that the US is going to get drawn into what happens in Israel during this crisis. President Biden is publicly taking a calm and conciliatory attitude about this crisis. In private I am sure that he acts and talks differently.
Israel has a vibrant and brilliant high-technology industry. 1/5 of Israel's GDP comes from technology earnings. There is a claim that Israel has more high-tech startups than we have in Silicon Valley.
With all this technical prowess, Israel built a wall to separate it from the Gaza Strip. It is a brilliant metal fence with all sorts of electronic sensors and constant drone surveillance. It is far more advanced than anything we have built or will build along the Mexican border.
Hamas defeated this wall. They flew over it with paragliders. They defeated the electronic sensors. They knocked big holes in this fence and drove vehicles through them. I suspect that they spent two years preparing for this incursion. I am also sure that they had help from both Iran and Russia to come up with a plan to defeat this wall.
Your morning newspaper has an excellent article on why Israeli security forces and advanced technology failed. It is a profound warning for the US.
This morning there are many reports of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip rushing to overwhelm the Egyptian border to flee to that country. The resources do not exist in Egypt to handle such a huge influx of refugees.
Israel has set out the goal of eradicating Hamas. The Hamas people hide in tunnels and among civilians in the Gaza Strip. There will be a huge loss of life to achieve this goal.
Thus far, Hezbollah on Israel's other borders has remained quiet. This will not be the case as the hostilities continue. We are heading toward a direct conflict between Israel and Iran.
My advice to Israel and US military planners is to bring in some excellent military advisors from Ukraine. Some unconventional tactics and weapons are going to have to be used. One hint is that Iran has a serious Achilles Heel. Four refineries refine all the oil that they sell for massive foreign exchange earnings. If those 4 oil refineries were taken offline permanently, Iran's economy would collapse. Let your imagination run wild. I was once involved in a high-level war gaming group that looked at an Israeli attack on Iran to destroy its nuclear weapons program.

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44   Onvacation   2023 Oct 28, 8:28am  

RWSGFY says

I don't give a fuck

We know.
45   Patrick   2023 Oct 28, 10:15am  

https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/hamas-leader-appointed-senior-fellow-at-harvard




CAMBRIDGE, MA — Notorious Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh will soon be relocating to the U.S. as a Senior Fellow at Harvard University in the field of international relations.

"We are honored to welcome such an austere scholar to these hallowed halls," said Harvard Dean Rakesh Khurana. "Mr. Haniyeh brings with him a wealth of knowledge and experience in diplomacy, public relations, and terrorizing innocent Jews — all things we prize highly here at Harvard. We know his valuable and unique perspective will expand the young minds who come here to learn."

Sources say the position will add to the diversity of the staff and provide Haniyeh with a salary of $780,000 per year.

"Inshallah, I hope to remain in this position for years to come, molding young minds to seek the glory of martyrdom as they spill the blood of the Jews," said Haniyeh. "Death to Israel and death to America. Allahu Akbar."

At publishing time, the Dean had politely asked Haniyeh to please stop throwing rocks at Jews in the quad.
46   AD   2023 Oct 28, 11:28pm  

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/29/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-arab-bedouins.html

17 Arab Bedouins were killed by Hamas

And an undetermined amount were taken hostage by Hamas

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48   Robert Sproul   2023 Oct 29, 7:32am  

Eric Holder says

Having a good lawyer makes a shitload of differense when being prosecuted and these people who fell on the sword for him need every bit of help they can get.

The Fed Gov has a terrifying conviction rate. Virtually nobody 'wins' so few try.
"Only 2% of federal criminal defendants went to trial in 2018, and most who did were found guilty"
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/
49   GNL   2023 Oct 29, 10:53am  

In Israel, it is illegal to deny the holocaust but you also cannot mention the Nakba.

https://twitter.com/Resist_05/status/1712402483115614498
52   RWSGFY   2023 Oct 29, 3:09pm  

Robert Sproul says


Eric Holder says


Having a good lawyer makes a shitload of differense when being prosecuted and these people who fell on the sword for him need every bit of help they can get.

The Fed Gov has a terrifying conviction rate. Virtually nobody 'wins' so few try.
"Only 2% of federal criminal defendants went to trial in 2018, and most who did were found guilty"
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/



It's because almost everything gets pleaded out. It's probably mostly the poor saps who don't have decent lawyers (because of lack of money or having a pigheaded illusion they can DIY it) who go to court and lose there. Watch how all these lawyers who got accused of "election interference" plead out to $5K fee + probation and "letter of apology".
53   🎂 Al_Sharpton_for_President   2023 Oct 30, 5:47am  

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https://english.almayadeen.net/



56   RWSGFY   2023 Oct 31, 8:12am  

True birds of Nazi feather flock together:

The Foreign Ministry on Sunday summoned the Russian ambassador to complain of Moscow’s attitude during the war between Israel and Hamas, charging that Russia’s ties with the terror group give legitimacy for terror against the Jewish state.

The deputy director of the Foreign Ministry’s Euro – Asia Division, Simona Halperin, called in Moscow’s envoy Anatoly Viktorov and told him that Israel takes a “serious view” of Moscow not issuing a clear and unequivocal condemnation of Hamas, as well as of Russia’s conduct in international bodies, the ministry said in a statement.

The move came after last week Russia hosted Hamas representatives in Moscow for a meeting with its deputy foreign minister to discuss the war, which broke out when Hamas carried out a devastating attack in Israeli territory, killing over 1,400 and abducting at least 239 people, who are still being held captive in Gaza.

“Hosting Hamas leaders who are directly responsible for the murderous terror attack on October 7, the kidnapping of hostages and with the blood of over 1,400 Israelis on their hands, sends a message of legitimacy for terror against Israel,” Halperin told Viktorov.

Last Thursday, Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov held talks with Hamas figures in a meeting that was also attended by Ali Bagheri Kani, the deputy foreign minister of the terror group’s chief sponsor, Iran.

The goal of the visit was to discuss the ongoing war with Israel and ways to stop “Zionist crimes supported by the United States and the West,” according to Hamas.

Israel’s Foreign Ministry scolded Russia at the time for hosting representatives of the terror group, as Jerusalem’s public frustration with Russia grew.

Israel has repeatedly called out Moscow in recent days over its frequent statements against the Jewish state in the context of the war in Gaza, the Foreign Ministry told The Times of Israel last week.

An Israeli diplomat had a conversation with a Russian official last week to express Jerusalem’s “displeasure with the role Russia is playing” in the war against Hamas...


https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-summons-russian-ambassador-over-moscows-hosting-of-hamas-officials/amp/
57   Patrick   2023 Oct 31, 11:41am  





Tucker And Farage: Why Aren't Muslim Countries Taking Muslim Refugees?
66   komputodo   2023 Nov 4, 7:23pm  

after WW2 and the "holocaust", why didn't the US give a chunk of germany to the Jews to settle and avoid the constant fighting with the countries in the middle east?
67   komputodo   2023 Nov 4, 7:24pm  

Patrick seems to be "all in" for israel in this latest conflict. I wonder if he supports sending multi billions over there too? It will probably end up being 1/2 trillion by the time this shitshow is over.
68   Ceffer   2023 Nov 4, 7:37pm  

The only way you can 'lose' is by falling into the trap of picking a side in the Uniside.
69   Ceffer   2023 Nov 4, 7:42pm  

More Brainless Blather from the Manchurian to keep us from paying attention to the insurgencies flowing through our own borders.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/38350
70   AD   2023 Nov 4, 11:19pm  

komputodo says


after WW2 and the "holocaust", why didn't the US give a chunk of germany to the Jews to settle and avoid the constant fighting with the countries in the middle east?


It started up to a fervor in 1947: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine

I read that Argentina was proposed after World War 2 as a new Jewish state in order to avoid bloodshed in Palestine Mandatory (or the land of Israel). The problem with this is that the Ashkenazi Jews from Europe viewed their homeland as Palestine, and trace their heritage and family ancestors to Palestine.

The 1948 war triggered significant demographic change throughout the Middle East.

Around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes in the area that became Israel, and they became Palestinian refugees in what they refer to as the Nakba ("the catastrophe").

A similar number of Jews moved to Israel during the three years following the war, including 260,000 from the surrounding Arab states.

This is what now the Left and pro-Palestinian groups also call as "Occupation of Palestine" going back at least to 1948.

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71   RC2006   2023 Nov 5, 12:04am  

komputodo says


after WW2 and the "holocaust", why didn't the US give a chunk of germany to the Jews to settle and avoid the constant fighting with the countries in the middle east?


Jews already had plan set in the 1880s to buy up land to create Isreal. They had a campaign for funds being sent from jews around the world.

https://www.jnf.org/our-history
72   AD   2023 Nov 5, 12:22am  

RC2006 says

komputodo says

after WW2 and the "holocaust", why didn't the US give a chunk of germany to the Jews to settle and avoid the constant fighting with the countries in the middle east?

Jews already had plan set in the 1880s to buy up land to create Isreal. They had a campaign for funds being sent from jews around the world.

https://www.jnf.org/our-history


Reform Jews in 1890's rejected Zionism as they viewed their identity as a religion and not around a nation (of Israel).

Theodor Herzl was the driving force which started the settlement of Jews in Israel in late 1800's.

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74   Ceffer   2023 Nov 5, 4:57pm  

Low tech inexpensive street fighting pitted against hi tech expensive tanks and vehicles is proving that the urban warfare may not favor Israel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgNompyxOEM

75   Patrick   2023 Nov 5, 10:55pm  

The Palestinians are trying to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, and failing at killing them all.

The Israelis are trying to kill as few Palestinian civilians as possible, and failing at killing none.

Maybe that's not exactly correct, but I think it's pretty close.
79   AmericanKulak   2023 Nov 6, 9:20am  

ad says

I would like to see them use the F-35 for an attack role as they marketed it as stealth and also joint fighter and attack aircraft

think of all that US taxpayer money for the F-35 program since it started around the late 1990s

I guess they are holding back use of the F-35 for more demanding missions .. they should at least have F-35s deployed on the aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean

More like, they are terrified to use the F-35 whose software causes it to crash during mild turbulence (Utah, East Coast - 2 crashes in the past few months)
80   AmericanKulak   2023 Nov 6, 9:25am  

ad says


A similar number of Jews moved to Israel during the three years following the war, including 260,000 from the surrounding Arab states.

Most were Expelled. Iran (esp. after the Shah), Iraq and especially after the fall of Algeria.





https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/the-expulsion-of-jews-from-arab-countries-and-iran--an-untold-history
81   Eric Holder   2023 Nov 6, 6:00pm  

AmericanKulak says

ad says


I would like to see them use the F-35 for an attack role as they marketed it as stealth and also joint fighter and attack aircraft

think of all that US taxpayer money for the F-35 program since it started around the late 1990s

I guess they are holding back use of the F-35 for more demanding missions .. they should at least have F-35s deployed on the aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean

More like, they are terrified to use the F-35 whose software causes it to crash during mild turbulence (Utah, East Coast - 2 crashes in the past few months)


Israel have been using F-35s for years.
82   AmericanKulak   2023 Nov 6, 6:02pm  

Eric Holder says


Israel have been using F-35s for years.

Yep, and I guarantee they've been heavily de-Lockheedized.

The F-35, esp. with the software-caused crashes in turbulence, is already over. The USN and even the USAF are looking for the replacement which should have been 10 years ago. Missileer Bomber Mafia has to go. F-16XL.

Also time to recreate the Tactical Army Air Force and confine USAF to strategic bombing only, basically SAC and nothing else. Bombing is of limited utility and never won a war.

USN and USAF need to work on a long-range high capacity patrol bomber.
83   komputodo   2023 Nov 6, 7:29pm  

Ceffer says

Low tech inexpensive street fighting pitted against hi tech expensive tanks and vehicles is proving that the urban warfare may not favor Israel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgNompyxOEM



Remember vietnam and Afghanistan? Did all our high tech weaponry assure victory?

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