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socal2
2022 Oct 3, 6:26pm
mell says
Yes - a very big difference.
"Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities brutally suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on State interests.[1] Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union.[2] However, most religions were never officially outlawed.[1]
The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward.[3][4] The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues,[5] and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism", with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers.[6][7] According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.[8][9] At least 106,300 Russian clergymen were executed between 1937 and 1941.[10] Religious beliefs and practices persisted among the majority of the population,[11] not only in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces which were allowed to exist by a state that recognized its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.[12][13]"
Like our "leaders", no fucking difference.
Yes - a very big difference.
"Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities brutally suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on State interests.[1] Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union.[2] However, most religions were never officially outlawed.[1]
The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward.[3][4] The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues,[5] and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism", with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers.[6][7] According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.[8][9] At least 106,300 Russian clergymen were executed between 1937 and 1941.[10] Religious beliefs and practices persisted among the majority of the population,[11] not only in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces which were allowed to exist by a state that recognized its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.[12][13]"
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socal2
2022 Oct 3, 6:28pm
richwicks says
No - I am shocked that some people seem to be admiring Putin's quoting of Christ to justify the continued lost cause of invading Ukraine.
What? Are you truly shocked that Putin is about as religious as the Pope?
No - I am shocked that some people seem to be admiring Putin's quoting of Christ to justify the continued lost cause of invading Ukraine.
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mell
2022 Oct 3, 6:41pm
socal2 says
What does this have to do with the current behavior of world leading politicians? Germany has a dark past, the DDR has, the US has, but we live here and now. We know how destructive communism is, but that doesn't mean you don't have to deal with the current situation and instead risk a big war over a very simple and straightforward conflict? Putin was a nobody in the leftoid landscape until obummer and xiden corrupted the Ukraine and the fake Trump dossier and the leftoids desperately needed a war to distract from their destruction of the US. Just 20 years ago the demonrats would have called for an immediate truce and negotiations to halt the "warmongers" they now are. There's no reason to divide people, you can be against this war and for a diplomatic solution with or without taking sides. I'm worried for friends and family in Europe first and foremost, this is not necessary imo
mell says
Like our "leaders", no fucking difference.
Yes - a very big difference.
"Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities brutally suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on State interests.[1] Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union.[2] However, most religions were never officially outlawed.[1]
The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward.[3][4] The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues,[5] and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious lead...
What does this have to do with the current behavior of world leading politicians? Germany has a dark past, the DDR has, the US has, but we live here and now. We know how destructive communism is, but that doesn't mean you don't have to deal with the current situation and instead risk a big war over a very simple and straightforward conflict? Putin was a nobody in the leftoid landscape until obummer and xiden corrupted the Ukraine and the fake Trump dossier and the leftoids desperately needed a war to distract from their destruction of the US. Just 20 years ago the demonrats would have called for an immediate truce and negotiations to halt the "warmongers" they now are. There's no reason to divide people, you can be against this war and for a diplomatic solution with or without taking sides. I'm worried for friends and family in Europe first and foremost, this is not necessary imo
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mell
2022 Oct 3, 6:43pm
Even Musk has called for diplomacy to which the asshole corrupt ukrainian official answered withba classy 'fuck you'. Is everyone going to burn their teslas now?
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socal2
2022 Oct 3, 6:52pm
mell says
Putin was neck deep in that past. This isn't ancient history, I have Jewish friends and work colleagues that fled Russia in the last 15+ years once they got the chance.
Putin has never repented over the monstrous persecution of religious people in the USSR and Communist run countries. Putin has openly called the fall of Communism in the USSR the biggest calamity to fall civilization. He was not some reformer in the old Soviet Union, he was an enforcer goon.
Sorry - it is just beyond parody for a fucker like that with that background to go around quoting Christ and having gullible people really believe he is standing up for Christianity while he rubbles Ukraine.
What does this have to do with the current behavior of world leading politicians? Germany has a dark past, the DDR has, the US has, but we live here and now.
Putin was neck deep in that past. This isn't ancient history, I have Jewish friends and work colleagues that fled Russia in the last 15+ years once they got the chance.
Putin has never repented over the monstrous persecution of religious people in the USSR and Communist run countries. Putin has openly called the fall of Communism in the USSR the biggest calamity to fall civilization. He was not some reformer in the old Soviet Union, he was an enforcer goon.
Sorry - it is just beyond parody for a fucker like that with that background to go around quoting Christ and having gullible people really believe he is standing up for Christianity while he rubbles Ukraine.
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Bd6r
2022 Oct 3, 8:51pm
Bd6r
2022 Oct 3, 8:51pm
Robert Sproul says
And Russia is different how? Only different nationalities forced to cohabitate in Russia are much more different than Russians and Ukrainians. Chechens, Ingush, Daghestani are all Muslims; Chuvash etc are not Indo-Europeans; etc etc etc
If countries need to disassembled because of "cobbled together" then Russia should be candidate number 1.
David Stockman recently re: the cobbled together, ad hoc, nature of 'Ukraine'-
And Russia is different how? Only different nationalities forced to cohabitate in Russia are much more different than Russians and Ukrainians. Chechens, Ingush, Daghestani are all Muslims; Chuvash etc are not Indo-Europeans; etc etc etc
If countries need to disassembled because of "cobbled together" then Russia should be candidate number 1.
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richwicks
2022 Oct 3, 9:35pm
richwicks
2022 Oct 3, 9:35pm
socal2 says
He's a politician. Grow up.
He pointed out how corrupt and dishonest and evil the leadership of the West was. He's not incorrect about that. Russia doesn't have to deal with gender theory bullshit, or convincing kids they are the wrong gender. It's insanity here.
There's also no lost cause in Ukraine that I can see. I expect Putin will get what he demanded in the first place. Meanwhile, Europe will freeze and a few US corporations will profit enormously. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the US long ago betrayed Europe and has teamed up with Russia to rape Europe.
richwicks says
What? Are you truly shocked that Putin is about as religious as the Pope?
No - I am shocked that some people seem to be admiring Putin's quoting of Christ to justify the continued lost cause of invading Ukraine.
He's a politician. Grow up.
He pointed out how corrupt and dishonest and evil the leadership of the West was. He's not incorrect about that. Russia doesn't have to deal with gender theory bullshit, or convincing kids they are the wrong gender. It's insanity here.
There's also no lost cause in Ukraine that I can see. I expect Putin will get what he demanded in the first place. Meanwhile, Europe will freeze and a few US corporations will profit enormously. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the US long ago betrayed Europe and has teamed up with Russia to rape Europe.
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richwicks
2022 Oct 3, 9:47pm
richwicks
2022 Oct 3, 9:47pm
socal2 says
What religion did Marx belong to?
socal2 says
No, he said the collapse of the USSR was a calamity, not the collapse of Communism. Communism was a disaster, even he knows it. Putin isn't promoting communism, he's promoting capitalism, the United States is promoting communism and/or fascism, they are so similar its difficult to tell.
The United States can't compete against cheap Russian energy, that's all this war is about. That's why they blew up the Nordstream I and II. I wish we had 1980's America dealing with modern day Russia. We'd be good allies.
Neocons were originally communists in the 1960's. That didn't work out for them so they became "conservatives", but really, they're just fascists - but REALLY, they are just authoritarians, and really shitty ones. I wouldn't mind an authoritarian rule, if it didn't produce this:
original link
Look at how enormously corrupt our government is. Isn't it amazing? That's the "leader of the free world"'s son. If this was 1980, that would have resulted in consequences, there are none now. It's oligarchical dictatorship now, not a republic, not a democracy. Hunter Biden can do ANY crime now, and get away with it, even if it's recorded. We're as corrupt as the USSR EVER was now. We have even stupider propaganda than they did today, and an even dumber population.
Putin has never repented over the monstrous persecution of religious people in the USSR and Communist run countries.
What religion did Marx belong to?
socal2 says
Putin has openly called the fall of Communism in the USSR the biggest calamity to fall civilization.
No, he said the collapse of the USSR was a calamity, not the collapse of Communism. Communism was a disaster, even he knows it. Putin isn't promoting communism, he's promoting capitalism, the United States is promoting communism and/or fascism, they are so similar its difficult to tell.
The United States can't compete against cheap Russian energy, that's all this war is about. That's why they blew up the Nordstream I and II. I wish we had 1980's America dealing with modern day Russia. We'd be good allies.
Neocons were originally communists in the 1960's. That didn't work out for them so they became "conservatives", but really, they're just fascists - but REALLY, they are just authoritarians, and really shitty ones. I wouldn't mind an authoritarian rule, if it didn't produce this:
original link
Look at how enormously corrupt our government is. Isn't it amazing? That's the "leader of the free world"'s son. If this was 1980, that would have resulted in consequences, there are none now. It's oligarchical dictatorship now, not a republic, not a democracy. Hunter Biden can do ANY crime now, and get away with it, even if it's recorded. We're as corrupt as the USSR EVER was now. We have even stupider propaganda than they did today, and an even dumber population.
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NuttBoxer
2022 Oct 3, 11:29pm
NuttBoxer
2022 Oct 3, 11:29pm
socal2 says
The difference is timing. They did it then, US government is doing it now.
Are you upset that Putin is speaking the truth because he doesn't really believe it? What about when George W. was always going on about reading the Bible, while he sacrificed thousands of lives on 9/11? Politicians can lie just as well in Russia as here, get over it.
Yes - a very big difference.
"Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities brutally suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on State interests.
The difference is timing. They did it then, US government is doing it now.
Are you upset that Putin is speaking the truth because he doesn't really believe it? What about when George W. was always going on about reading the Bible, while he sacrificed thousands of lives on 9/11? Politicians can lie just as well in Russia as here, get over it.
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gabbar
2022 Oct 3, 11:54pm
gabbar
2022 Oct 3, 11:54pm
The West is ready to step over everything in order to preserve the neo-colonial system that allows it to parasitize, in fact, to plunder the world at the expense of the power of the dollar and technological dictates, to collect real tribute from humanity, to extract the main source of unearned prosperity, the rent of the hegemon. The maintenance of this rent is their key, genuine and absolutely self-serving motive. That is why total desovereignization is in their interests. Hence their aggression towards independent states, towards traditional values and original cultures, attempts to undermine international and integration processes beyond their control, new world currencies and centers of technological development. It is critical for them that all countries surrender their sovereignty to the United States. - Vladimir Putin, October 1, 2022
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gabbar
2022 Oct 4, 12:50am
gabbar
2022 Oct 4, 12:50am
richwicks says
I hear you. I am an old fool but I recall in the past, there used to be peace rallies, politicians using the word peace in their rhetoric but now we don't see anything of that sort.
gabbar says
I support it, even if I don't trust Elon Musk as far as I can shit.
I hear you. I am an old fool but I recall in the past, there used to be peace rallies, politicians using the word peace in their rhetoric but now we don't see anything of that sort.
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GNL
2022 Oct 4, 4:22am
GNL
2022 Oct 4, 4:22am
richwicks says
I've been told Russian oil is cheap because it is much more expensive to refine because of it's high sulfur content.
The United States can't compete against cheap Russian energy,
I've been told Russian oil is cheap because it is much more expensive to refine because of it's high sulfur content.
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Tenpoundbass
2022 Oct 4, 9:50am
Tenpoundbass
2022 Oct 4, 9:50am
I sure with they would hurry up and and get shit going over there. So Putin can get rid of Mark A. Milley and Lloyd Austin's mentally and gender confused idiots, for us.
Sure would save us a lot of Commie Liberal legal lawfare, when we have to sort it out ourselves.
Sure would save us a lot of Commie Liberal legal lawfare, when we have to sort it out ourselves.
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socal2
2022 Oct 4, 10:34am
NuttBoxer says
Not even remotely in the same universe what is happening in the US today
The Soviet Union executed over 100,000 clergymen between 1937-41. Religion was all but outlawed in the USSR with tens of millions of Christians persecuted, sent to Gulags or to death.
Communist regimes were the most satanic on the planet in terms of persecution of Christians, Jews and Muslims.
The difference is timing. They did it then, US government is doing it now.
Not even remotely in the same universe what is happening in the US today
The Soviet Union executed over 100,000 clergymen between 1937-41. Religion was all but outlawed in the USSR with tens of millions of Christians persecuted, sent to Gulags or to death.
Communist regimes were the most satanic on the planet in terms of persecution of Christians, Jews and Muslims.
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clambo
2022 Oct 4, 11:04am
Elon has evidently a lot of time on his hands to become interested in Ukraine.
Since Putin has already acted in bad faith, why seek any deal with him?
Elon conveniently forgets that Putin signed an agreement not to invade Ukraine.
How much weed does Elon smoke anyway? Just curious.
Tesla's are ugly cars and the batteries are future electronic waste.
Since Putin has already acted in bad faith, why seek any deal with him?
Elon conveniently forgets that Putin signed an agreement not to invade Ukraine.
How much weed does Elon smoke anyway? Just curious.
Tesla's are ugly cars and the batteries are future electronic waste.
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Eric Holder
2022 Oct 4, 11:11am
Eric Holder
2022 Oct 4, 11:11am
clambo says
Yep, for a supposedly savvy ane ruthless businessman he's shown a remarkable level of naivete.
Elon has evidently a lot of time on his hands to become interested in Ukraine.
Since Putin has already acted in bad faith, why seek any deal with him?
Elon conveniently forgets that Putin signed an agreement not to invade Ukraine.
How much weed does Elon smoke anyway? Just curious.<
Yep, for a supposedly savvy ane ruthless businessman he's shown a remarkable level of naivete.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2022 Oct 4, 2:07pm
zzyzzx says
damn it, i was hoping for Ukraine to join as 51st state. think those guys can start identifying as black? its not hard… just have to steal bikes, leave moms single and say nigga a lot…
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Booger says
GNL says
You mean in the same way America does this through NATO?
Is the US trying to annex Europe?
We sort of annexed Ukraine in 2014 until Russia flipped out and demanded a cut of the deal.
No way would the US attempt to annex someplace full of white people!
damn it, i was hoping for Ukraine to join as 51st state. think those guys can start identifying as black? its not hard… just have to steal bikes, leave moms single and say nigga a lot…
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Ceffer
2022 Oct 4, 2:08pm
Ceffer
2022 Oct 4, 2:08pm
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
They would have to triple our taxes. It would be SO worth it to thwart Putin.
damn it, i was hoping for Ukraine to join as 51st state.
They would have to triple our taxes. It would be SO worth it to thwart Putin.
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RWSGFY
2022 Oct 4, 2:12pm
RWSGFY
2022 Oct 4, 2:12pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Comedy gold!
We sort of annexed Ukraine in 2014 until Russia flipped out and demanded a cut of the deal.
Comedy gold!
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Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 2:17pm
Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 2:17pm
clambo says
Putin is right that the legally enforced sexual degeneracy of the west is a threat to Russia and to the world. It is a threat to families and to children.
The US was trying to promote homosexuality in Afghanistan shortly before the Taliban took over Kabul.
Now the US is promoting this guy in Ukraine:
What did this rant have to do with attacking Ukraine? Nothing at all.
Putin is right that the legally enforced sexual degeneracy of the west is a threat to Russia and to the world. It is a threat to families and to children.
The US was trying to promote homosexuality in Afghanistan shortly before the Taliban took over Kabul.
Now the US is promoting this guy in Ukraine:
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Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 2:20pm
Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 2:20pm
clambo says
He has a point there as well:
Putin is deranged; lately he was ranting about the “satanic west”
He has a point there as well:
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Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 2:20pm
Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 2:20pm
Note that I'm not saying Putin is a good guy, but bad guys can make legitimate points.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2022 Oct 4, 3:12pm
Patrick says
exactly. im a taxpayer, i don’t see how funding this war benefits america. yet our elites who clearly don’t answer to us, fund war and tell us to shut up and obey. thats not representing me, probably only representing MIC. giant wtf
Note that I'm not saying Putin is a good guy, but bad guys can make legitimate points.
exactly. im a taxpayer, i don’t see how funding this war benefits america. yet our elites who clearly don’t answer to us, fund war and tell us to shut up and obey. thats not representing me, probably only representing MIC. giant wtf
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richwicks
2022 Oct 4, 3:48pm
richwicks
2022 Oct 4, 3:48pm
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
Are your serious?
How did funding the bombing of Libya benefit the US taxpayer? Syria? Iraq. Afghanistan. Yemen? Somalia?
NONE of these wars benefit this country or its citizens. Now many people who are against this fucking stupidity are against it for MORAL reasons, but there's a very real reason to be against it for FINANCIAL reasons. There's no reason to support any of these stupid fucking wars.
It doesn't benefit us, it doesn't benefit our nations, and it doesn't benefit the people that are being bombed. There's literally NOBODY walking ahead, other than the fuckers producing the weapons, and the assholes with bullshit reconstruction contracts.
After the US blows up a place, a bunch of money is sent for "reconstruction", but nothing is constructed, but the US taxpayer pays for that AGAIN. It's a scam, all the wars are scams now.
i don’t see how funding this war benefits america. yet our elites who clearly don’t answer to us, fund war and tell us to shut up and obey. thats not representing me, probably only representing MIC. giant wtf
Are your serious?
How did funding the bombing of Libya benefit the US taxpayer? Syria? Iraq. Afghanistan. Yemen? Somalia?
NONE of these wars benefit this country or its citizens. Now many people who are against this fucking stupidity are against it for MORAL reasons, but there's a very real reason to be against it for FINANCIAL reasons. There's no reason to support any of these stupid fucking wars.
It doesn't benefit us, it doesn't benefit our nations, and it doesn't benefit the people that are being bombed. There's literally NOBODY walking ahead, other than the fuckers producing the weapons, and the assholes with bullshit reconstruction contracts.
After the US blows up a place, a bunch of money is sent for "reconstruction", but nothing is constructed, but the US taxpayer pays for that AGAIN. It's a scam, all the wars are scams now.
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gabbar
2022 Oct 4, 3:54pm
gabbar
2022 Oct 4, 3:54pm
richwicks says
It does benefit some citizens, for example, people who work in the military and espionage octopus. It gives an excuse to wash away crimes (printing of money which screws all citizens). War is a racket and war does benefit some people. I don't think the military and espionage octopus would keep quiet if Brandon were to pursue a no war policy. I don't think Trump was liked too much by this octopus.
There is no need for people support for wars. Once these fuckers are in power, they do whatever they like.
NONE of these wars benefit this country or its citizens.
It does benefit some citizens, for example, people who work in the military and espionage octopus. It gives an excuse to wash away crimes (printing of money which screws all citizens). War is a racket and war does benefit some people. I don't think the military and espionage octopus would keep quiet if Brandon were to pursue a no war policy. I don't think Trump was liked too much by this octopus.
There is no need for people support for wars. Once these fuckers are in power, they do whatever they like.
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richwicks
2022 Oct 4, 4:01pm
richwicks
2022 Oct 4, 4:01pm
gabbar says
Fair enough, you got me there - it benefits some US citizens, US criminal citizens.
gabbar says
So, it's not a democratic republic is it? That's my point.
It does benefit some citizens, for example, people who work in the military and espionage octopus. It gives an excuse to wash away crimes (printing of money which screws all citizens). War is a racket and war does benefit some people. I don't think the military and espionage octopus would keep quiet if Brandon were to pursue a no war policy. I don't think Trump was liked too much by this octopus.
Fair enough, you got me there - it benefits some US citizens, US criminal citizens.
gabbar says
There is no need for people support for wars. Once these fuckers are in power, they do whatever they like.
So, it's not a democratic republic is it? That's my point.
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Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 4:05pm
Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 4:05pm
richwicks says
Right, it's not at all democratic in reality. Only in theory.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/04/16/The-US-is-not-a-democracy-but-an-oligarchy-study-concludes/2761397680051/
So, it's not a democratic republic is it? That's my point.
Right, it's not at all democratic in reality. Only in theory.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/04/16/The-US-is-not-a-democracy-but-an-oligarchy-study-concludes/2761397680051/
Princeton and Northwestern Universities concluded that the U.S. government represents not the interests of the majority of citizens but those of the rich and powerful. "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens" analyzed extensive data, comparing nearly 1,800 U.S. policies enacted between 1981 and 2002 with the expressed preferences of average and affluent Americans as well as special interest groups. The resulting data empirically verifies that U.S. policies are determined by the economic elite. "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence...
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gabbar
2022 Oct 4, 5:34pm
gabbar
2022 Oct 4, 5:34pm
richwicks says
It is a democracy, in theory, in rhetoric for the purposes of arguments in political theater. Democracy is a blackhole where bulk of the taxpayer money goes to the elites, corporations and the military apparatus, its not for the people by the people of the people BS
So, it's not a democratic republic is it? That's my point.
It is a democracy, in theory, in rhetoric for the purposes of arguments in political theater. Democracy is a blackhole where bulk of the taxpayer money goes to the elites, corporations and the military apparatus, its not for the people by the people of the people BS
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NuttBoxer
2022 Oct 4, 8:03pm
NuttBoxer
2022 Oct 4, 8:03pm
socal2 says
Just because we aren't there yet, doesn't mean we won't get there. Recently read the auto-biography of a pastor in Germany right before WWII. The similarities in free speech suppression were quite alarming.
Also, you know they've exposed large pedophile operation inside this government and this country since the 80's. Recently saw a thread that said the Satanic Panic of the 80's was a cover for all the abused kids coming forward at the time. In sheer volume, we might be lacking, but given the US propensity for abusing children.. This is a fucking depressing conversation. Just know you've got no high horse by living here.
Not even remotely in the same universe what is happening in the US today
Just because we aren't there yet, doesn't mean we won't get there. Recently read the auto-biography of a pastor in Germany right before WWII. The similarities in free speech suppression were quite alarming.
Also, you know they've exposed large pedophile operation inside this government and this country since the 80's. Recently saw a thread that said the Satanic Panic of the 80's was a cover for all the abused kids coming forward at the time. In sheer volume, we might be lacking, but given the US propensity for abusing children.. This is a fucking depressing conversation. Just know you've got no high horse by living here.
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Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 8:17pm
Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 8:17pm
NuttBoxer says
Right, that's the leverage that can be used to keep government officials in line. They don't get their jobs to begin with unless there is good evidence that can be used against them when needed, like evidence of being a pedophile, literally the worst crime, and one for which you will likely be murdered in jail. Epstein's job was to collect that evidence.
This is standard mafia/gang procedure. If you want to join a street gang, it's a typical rite of initiation that you have to murder a random person on the street. The point of forcing you to do this is twofold:
1. To prove you aren't a cop of some kind.
2. To have leverage over you which means that you can be sent to prison by the other members of the gang at any time.
So maybe most of our government officials are being held hostage to their previous crimes. The most interesting question is who got all of Epstein's files and videos.
OK, there probably are non-compromised people in government, but maybe not that many.
large pedophile operation inside this government
Right, that's the leverage that can be used to keep government officials in line. They don't get their jobs to begin with unless there is good evidence that can be used against them when needed, like evidence of being a pedophile, literally the worst crime, and one for which you will likely be murdered in jail. Epstein's job was to collect that evidence.
This is standard mafia/gang procedure. If you want to join a street gang, it's a typical rite of initiation that you have to murder a random person on the street. The point of forcing you to do this is twofold:
1. To prove you aren't a cop of some kind.
2. To have leverage over you which means that you can be sent to prison by the other members of the gang at any time.
So maybe most of our government officials are being held hostage to their previous crimes. The most interesting question is who got all of Epstein's files and videos.
OK, there probably are non-compromised people in government, but maybe not that many.
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Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 11:19pm
Patrick
2022 Oct 4, 11:19pm
Right. How did it become personal?
The same people are not really bothered by, say, Bush's invasion of Iraq.
The same people are not really bothered by, say, Bush's invasion of Iraq.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Oct 5, 8:46am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Oct 5, 8:46am
I kind of wonder if we will keep the war going for long, now that we blew up NS1 and NS2 leaving us the only supplier of gas to Europe. We basically got what we wanted out of the war... of course there can be other wants there, I don't know anything really, just speculating. But I think if we start scaling war down, it's probably because gas supply was the real goal. This is my personal conspiracy theory.
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Patrick
2022 Oct 5, 11:09am
Patrick
2022 Oct 5, 11:09am
Yes, I could see US LNG interests wanting to sell to Europe and so having our puppet government blow up their competition.
But then there's the psychotic levels of hate for Russia, AKA PDS. That's probably another factor.
But then there's the psychotic levels of hate for Russia, AKA PDS. That's probably another factor.
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Misc
2022 Oct 5, 10:36pm
If our government (or Polish for that matter), blew up the pipeline, we should expect Russian saboteurs to do likewise to LNG terminals either in the US or on the European end of things. From what I understand LNG doesn't react well even to small explosions.
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richwicks
2022 Oct 5, 11:18pm
richwicks
2022 Oct 5, 11:18pm
Patrick says
This is the thing that gets me the most, the hypocrisy.
I'd be on the side of Ukraine for certain, if I didn't know the US overthrew Ukraine in 2014. I wonder if people lack knowledge or if they lack principles? I got very pissed off with "mostly reader" because despite being shown Victoria Nuland was picking out Arseniy Yatseniuk as the next leader, he still denies what I think is probably the most obvious coup in history. Is this an inability to put 1 and 1 together, or is it dishonesty? I can't imagine anybody being this oblivious.
YET, I have a business partner that went to MIT, and he can't seem to realize that the "news" media has lied to him. He thinks that Europe will spend a few trillion dollars to develop "green energy" and will therefore be independent of Russian energy. I've worked in the "green space" - "sustainable energy", "ESG" - Environmental Sustainable Governance - it is rife with fraud.
The lack of investigation of highly educated, "smart" people is extremely jarring to me.
The same people are not really bothered by, say, Bush's invasion of Iraq.
This is the thing that gets me the most, the hypocrisy.
I'd be on the side of Ukraine for certain, if I didn't know the US overthrew Ukraine in 2014. I wonder if people lack knowledge or if they lack principles? I got very pissed off with "mostly reader" because despite being shown Victoria Nuland was picking out Arseniy Yatseniuk as the next leader, he still denies what I think is probably the most obvious coup in history. Is this an inability to put 1 and 1 together, or is it dishonesty? I can't imagine anybody being this oblivious.
YET, I have a business partner that went to MIT, and he can't seem to realize that the "news" media has lied to him. He thinks that Europe will spend a few trillion dollars to develop "green energy" and will therefore be independent of Russian energy. I've worked in the "green space" - "sustainable energy", "ESG" - Environmental Sustainable Governance - it is rife with fraud.
The lack of investigation of highly educated, "smart" people is extremely jarring to me.
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Patrick
2022 Oct 5, 11:36pm
Patrick
2022 Oct 5, 11:36pm
Maybe this interview with Aldous Huxley is relevant:
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/the-future-is-now
Maybe the propaganda is much more efficient than we realize.
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/the-future-is-now
Maybe the propaganda is much more efficient than we realize.
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I have a contrarian view. I call it "The Fear of Vladimir Putin stock market." The Ukraine war has "turned the world on its ear." Energy markets have been disrupted. Food markets have been disrupted. Commodity markets have been disrupted. The New York Times came out with an Op-Ed yesterday pointing out all the awful things that Vladimir Putin can still do as he becomes a cornered wild animal.
This man is simply a bully and a thug. If people stand up to him, they will stop him. This "superman" has failed miserably in Ukraine with 80,000 men and women killed including a massive number of senior officers in 7 months. All his armed forces have failed. His Air Force cannot carry out serious combat operations because they do not have proper communications systems to keep their planes from being shot down by "friendly fire." His Navy is in hiding and will not come out and fight. We see corruption ad incompetence on a grand scale. There are all sorts of reports on the deterioration of his feared nuclear arsenal. How well will it work? I think not well.
Let us go back to the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 and 1983. Mid-level Soviet officers (say Lt. Colonel) had their hands right on the keys to fire nuclear warheads. They both realized the enormity of such a move. They refused to fire. If history is any guide, the officers under Putin will not carry out the orders to fire nuclear weapons if Putin issues such orders.
If Putin does fire nuclear warheads, he will be hit by two US cyber-attacks lasting only nanoseconds. One will take his internet offline permanently. The other will take down his electricity grid for many months. (Imagine being with no electric power for 4-5 months!) Russia will break apart, as the old Soviet Union did.