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Onvacation says

mell says

if surgical or cloth masks would stop the spread of any airborne virus with statistical significance, they would be advertised as such and much more expensive.

Yes.

And on all of the surgical mask boxes it clearly states that it will not protect you from covid (the Wuhan) or any other virus.

Also note that people wary of litigation never say wearing a mask protects you and others from covid-19 in their propaganda ads, they say "wearing a mask protects you and others from germs" which is obviously at least partially true, just not from covid.

ThreeBays says

I suggest spreading some q-anon fairy tales, together with some Alex Jones psychosis, topped with a serving of Tucker Carlson "nobody would literally believe it" bullshit.

People used to own other people as recently as 150 years ago. Lobotomies were fashionable at one point. Leeches would cure your illness. What is your point? If you don't want to question things that's your right. Masks have never been used to prevent viral infections. At least not the ones being promoted now. This is fact #science.

Post a link stating otherwise. Have fun looking.

WookieMan says

Lobotomies were fashionable at one point. Leeches would cure your illness.

Do not even have to go back that far. A buddy of mine at work was proscribed a Type II diabetes medication that turned out to have a 70% of causing Fortner gangrene in men over 50. He ended up with Fortner gangrene, and it cost him thousands in medical bills and a week off work.

HeadSet says

WookieMan says

Lobotomies were fashionable at one point. Leeches would cure your illness.

Do not even have to go back that far. A buddy of mine at work was proscribed a Type II diabetes medication that turned out to have a 70% of causing Fortner gangrene in men over 50. He ended up with Fortner gangrene, and it cost him thousands in medical bills and a week off work.

I was just going the hyperbolic route noting ridiculous treatments that "science" once said made sense and that yeah, there were slaves at one point too. Fauci will go down as a complete and utter joke once history reviews this supposed pandemic. Two cloth masks??? For fucks sake..

Sucks for you buddy though. Knock on wood I'm fortunate enough to have no ailments as of now. So I don't take anything. Didn't even take a OTC pain reliever with my recent fractured heel. I was close those first few days but resisted. Getting back to doing some longer walks of 3-5 miles and it's still painful. Couldn't imagine having diabetes where you HAVE to take medication. And you could switch doctors or meds and be fucked over. I hate big pharma and docs getting BJ's on the side from slutty saleswomen for pumping certain meds and also getting kickbacks.

I honestly don't think many docs care about the outcome of patients. Maybe 20% (80/20 rule). Sounds dark, but it's just been what I've observed. I think ER docs do, but once they've put you back together you're off to some specialist that books repeat visits for no reason or gives unnecessary treatment for the issue.

ThreeBays says

Anti-mask theories are spread by the same clowns that predicted covid wasn't more deadly than the flu. The same clowns that are now trying to argue that covid deaths are over-counted, despite the evidence that excess deaths are at least as high if not higher than official covid numbers.

Where are all the flu deaths?

You know that hundreds of studies have been done on masks vs. the Flu on a public heath level, and almost all have statistically insignificant results. And the handful that do are barely outside the MoE.

And yes,when you look at people under 65 without multiple chronic diseases, it's a very light flu season, but over the course of a year instead of 4-5 months.

10 people in NYC under 35 with no known chronic condition have died of COVID in a whole entire year.

ThreeBays says

Anti-mask theories are spread by the same clowns that predicted covid wasn't more deadly than the flu.

1. Why are death rates in CA nearly the same as in TX and FL, which do not have mask mandates?
2. Why are peer-reviewed studies, such as this one: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817, not showing efficiency of masks?
3. This is flu study: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article#r34 but it is quite telling: Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article#r34

Anti-science is strong with mask jesuits here. Seems it is similar to religion, where FACTS DON'T MATTER.

ThreeBays says

Anti-mask theories are spread by the same clowns that predicted covid wasn't more deadly than the flu. The same clowns that are now trying to argue that covid deaths are over-counted, despite the evidence that excess deaths are at least as high if not higher than official covid numbers.

Excess deaths : People not getting cancer screenings, blood pressure checks, calcium tests, MRIs, Mammograms, etc. dying from preventable or early treatable diseases due to the fear of empty hospitals, doc's office, and catching covid. This was predicted a year ago as well.

Within 10 years, if we don't become a Woke Fascist state, this will be common knowledge except for a handful of ardent Blue Anon members who will claim Trump unleashed COVID to prevent the Revolution in a complex 4D strategy to discredit Government Bureaucracies and the Enlightened Administrative State.

MisdemeanorRebel says

ardent Blue Anon members

It is telling that the collective Left is for science only when it supports their ideas. When it does not (like masks, or that there are only 2 genders/sexes), science goes out of window and they become carbon copies of Kansas school board 2005.

ThreeBays says

mandating masks at the state level (the horror, mah freedoms),

I don't take freedom lightly. They are called rights for a reason and under our constitution the government cannot abridge those freedoms (rights).

I for one want to live and am not afraid of a disease that almost exclusively kills those with comorbidities. If you are afraid of the Wuhan you have a right to mask up, get a jab of the experimental biologic agent, and hide in your basement until you die of "natural causes".

"Those that would give up essential liberty for safety will get nor deserve either".

ThreeBays says

several large counties require masks.

1. Counties can't enforce mask mandates in Texas. They can politely "ask" for masks, but they can not fine anyone.

2. ThreeBays says

Those two states have slightly higher death rates than CA

Last time FL had more covid deaths than CA (per 100K inhabitants) was Dec 20, and currently (last few days) there are less deaths per 100K in TX and FL than in CA.

3. ThreeBays says

people doing it out of good common sense

I have not seen convincing clinical studies that masks help. I have seen studies showing that masks do not matter (cited in previous post).

ThreeBays says

versus cities requiring it and people doing it out of good common sense.

My common sense tells me that most people wearing masks are idiots. Alone in the park, behind the wheel of a solo car, inside with people they are inside with every day, they are not avoiding any viruses. Is a mask really effective, when people are pulling them down to their chin, then up over their nose, then down then, then off and into the glovebox; only to wear them again?

Fascism for appearance sake is not common sense.

Rb6d says

ThreeBays says

Anti-mask theories are spread by the same clowns that predicted covid wasn't more deadly than the flu.

1. Why are death rates in CA nearly the same as in TX and FL, which do not have mask mandates?
2. Why are peer-reviewed studies, such as this one: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817, not showing efficiency of masks?
3. This is flu study: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article#r34 but it is quite telling: Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. https:/...

3 Bays is spreading fear, fear, FEAR!!

When a person/entity has to resort to lies, tricks, fraud, threats (threatening Dr's from doing what they were trained to do) and fear, FEAR FEAR!!! they lose all credibility and should be completely shunned. This is a fraudulent debacle.

ThreeBays says

Is that like spreading fear of insufficient oxygen if breathing through a mask? Or the fear of injecting biological agents if you get a vaccine?

No. There is a difference between spreading fear propaganda and pointing out the truth.

Do you not believe masks restrict breathing?

Do you have evidence that the experimental biologic agent is "safe and effective?

Not expecting a cogent answer from a fear propagandist.

ThreeBays says

WineHorror1 says

When a person/entity has to resort to lies, tricks, fraud, threats (threatening Dr's from doing what they were trained to do) and fear, FEAR FEAR!!! they lose all credibility and should be completely shunned. This is a fraudulent debacle.

Is that like spreading fear of insufficient oxygen if breathing through a mask? Or the fear of injecting biological agents if you get a vaccine?

You're way off base. It has to do with others trying to force you to do things you do not want to do. PERIOD. It's called tyranny. Get on board the FREEDOM TRAIN instead of the Soy Boi train.

ThreeBays says

WineHorror1 says

When a person/entity has to resort to lies, tricks, fraud, threats (threatening Dr's from doing what they were trained to do) and fear, FEAR FEAR!!! they lose all credibility and should be completely shunned. This is a fraudulent debacle.

Is that like spreading fear of insufficient oxygen if breathing through a mask? Or the fear of injecting biological agents if you get a vaccine?

The lack of oxygenation is proven as well, nobody in their right mind with good intentions would recommend wearing a mask for a prolonged time. Esp. damaging to kids if worn over a prolonged time frame. Do no harm instead of spreading dangerous half truths. Yes wearing a mask briefly will likely do no harm as long as you're not exercising with high intensity. Leave it on longer each day and you sure will suffer health consequences and hypoxia. Why do you think asthmatics (and others) are exempt from the mask rule? Wearing a mask may kill them.

Masks work from my experience... 37% drop in Rite Aid profits for cold medicine prove they atleast work for keeping people from getting regular colds and the flu.

My family have made it a full year without as much as a head cold. Sure social distancing played a role... my kid still does 15-20 hours of competitive sports a week since last summer so we do have exposure to people and groups consistently. Zero illnesses in a full year.. a record for my family for sure!

BoomAndBustCycle says

my kid still does 15-20 hours of competitive sports a week since last summer so we do have exposure to people and groups consistently. Zero illnesses in a full year.

And you attribute that to cold medicine? LMFAO. Why hasn't anyone ever thought of taking cold medicine before? Delusions.

ThreeBays says

WineHorror1 says

You're way off base. It has to do with others trying to force you to do things you do not want to do. PERIOD. It's called tyranny. Get on board the FREEDOM TRAIN instead of the Soy Boi train.

Having to wear a mask in public is similar to having to wear a seatbelt while driving or smoke 20 feet away from public entrances. Is there something new here from a social or legal point of view?

If I mention FREEDOM, in what delusional world would you think I agree with seatbelts or smoking? Admit it, you hate freedom. Are you scared of making your own choices? Are you an adult yet?

BoomAndBustCycle says

37% drop in Rite Aid profits for cold medicine prove they atleast work for keeping people from getting regular colds and the flu.

More likely less foot traffic in stores and more social distancing such as school closures. School transmissions/children are reservoirs for most colds and flu.

PeopleUnited says

BoomAndBustCycle says

37% drop in Rite Aid profits for cold medicine prove they atleast work for keeping people from getting regular colds and the flu.

More likely less foot traffic in stores and more social distancing such as school closures. School transmissions/children are reservoirs for most colds and flu.

Or Rite Aid just sucks too? Comparing profits like B&B did is kind of retarded. Small restaurants that stayed open in defiance of big brother had record profits. Doesn't mean their food is good though. The good places that close and shut down forever has made us worse. I don't want to eat shit food because they stayed open. Nothing should be closed. Nothing.

ThreeBays says

Maybe you were shouting tyranny and that seat belts kill more people than they save then as well?

No one said that. This is a virus and not a seatbelt. Seatbelts can be regulated and there's data to back up the safety record that prevents deaths in the double digit percentage range. You cannot regulate a virus. It's not possible. You're calling water and fire the same thing. We're talking about a virus, among many, that kills less than 1% of people if you're even in the lucky 3-6% to even get infected. It's math.

https://nationalfile.com/million-maskless-march-planned-for-south-florida-to-protest-for-face-freedom/

ThreeBays says

Glock-n-Load says

If I mention FREEDOM, in what delusional world would you think I agree with seatbelts or smoking? Admit it, you hate freedom. Are you scared of making your own choices? Are you an adult yet?

Boohoo for you then. I value my freedom of not having to breathe your smoke or have your ass fly through my windshield.

Move away from the smoke. Don't drive. Is it all that complicated?

Everything in life involves risk and potential health hazards. If we shut down even 1% of these things we'd all be royally fucked.

I don't go to nursing homes and have seen my mom and MIL substantially less. You make adjustments. I'm not sure your point. You can't shut down the majority for a tiny minority.

Maybe start forbidding gay men from having sex because it can spread HIV. Just think about it and what you're talking about. Covid isn't seat belts....

WookieMan says

ThreeBays says

Glock-n-Load says

If I mention FREEDOM, in what delusional world would you think I agree with seatbelts or smoking? Admit it, you hate freedom. Are you scared of making your own choices? Are you an adult yet?

Boohoo for you then. I value my freedom of not having to breathe your smoke or have your ass fly through my windshield.

Move away from the smoke. Don't drive. Is it all that complicated?

Everything in life involves risk and potential health hazards. If we shut down even 1% of these things we'd all be royally fucked.

I don't go to nursing homes and have seen my mom and MIL substantially less. You make adjustments. I'm not sure your point. You can't shut down the majority for a tiny minority.

Maybe start forbidding gay men from having sex because it can spre...

3 Bays wants to shut down the world because he's scared. Sheesh.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Masks work from my experience... 37% drop in Rite Aid profits for cold medicine prove they atleast work for keeping people from getting regular colds and the flu.

My family have made it a full year without as much as a head cold. Sure social distancing played a role... my kid still does 15-20 hours of competitive sports a week since last summer so we do have exposure to people and groups consistently. Zero illnesses in a full year.. a record for my family for sure!

They do work for illnesses spread via droplets as the droplets don't penetrate the mask and gravity quickly pulls them down. We know that. They don't work for airborne viruses unless N95 and above with a tight fit and no put on or take off during exposure. Even N95/100 only offer moderate protection.

ThreeBays says

WookieMan says

Move away from the smoke. Don't drive. Is it all that complicated?

I want to drive. I don't want to move through your stench. Why do you hate my freedom?

What do you believe gives you the freedom to make laws applicable to limit or stop activities that people do that annoy you? Your freedom?

This entire hoaxdemic is about freedom. Plain and simple.

ThreeBays says

What's more, the "freedom of choice to engage in certain activities" is defined by the Supreme Court to apply to only to certain protected activities: child rearing and education, family relationships, procreation, marriage, contraception, and abortion. Challenges to mandatory seatbelt laws, mandatory helmet laws, etc. have been rejected many times as not fitting within the activities over which one has complete right of choice.

Rubbish. It's about power. We'll be taking it back shortly, simply by default - Leftists don't reproduce.

ThreeBays says

Have you looked at your demographics?

I have and the entire Rio Grande Valley blew up for Trump. Much like most of the rest of the country.

ThreeBays says

Have you looked at your demographics?

Yep. Atheists, Unitarians, Reform Jews, UMC Methodists, Episcopalian Whites all below the replacement rate. Ever walk into one of those churches? It's like an old folks home in there. One lesbian pastor and a sea of greyhairs. Lucky if a couple of bitter 30-something Teachers/Admins with a soyboy husband and poor kid they're torturing with their Trans-Munchausens.

Mormons, Charismatics, Baptists, Amish, Orthodox all well above 2.1 - most 2.5. I think LDS and Hassidics touch 3 kids per woman on average.

And Latin Migrants are 15% Protestant when they arrive, and another 15% Convert, usually to those Shopping Plaza hardcore Fundy Churches.

Gays and Trans generally have one or none, and usually adopted. For every Unitarian Social Worker you might know 3 kids, there's 3 Reform Jewish women with none and will never have any.

Children follow the religion and politics of parents 70% of the time by age 30 (ie don't be cocky that a few Evangelicals leave/experiment with other views in college).

Get ready for a far more religious world. Demography is as close to a guarantee as you can get in the social sciences.

The secularism trend ended about 10-20 years ago. Largely driven by Socialism and the Iron Curtain, places like Russia and Hungary are getting more, not less, religious. It appears the secularism trend in Japan and Korea is ending too.

K-12 and Colleges will have to hire Right, Religious teachers and admins. There won't be enough Leftists for the roles in 20 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2cENue7JxI

MisdemeanorRebel says

There won't be enough Leftists for the roles in 20 years.

I pray to God that you're right!

MisdemeanorRebel says

There won't be enough Leftists for the roles in 20 years.

We don’t have 20 years, the globalists and their woke army will destroy any remaining freedom and prosperity by the end of the decade. If 2020 events concerned you wait till you see 2022, by 2030 this country will be unrecognizable.

The people should have said hell no after the first 14 days to stop the spread BS. Now it’s carry on until it’s gone.

America was founded for the individual NOT the collective. 3 Bays is scared of freedom.

ThreeBays says

lol, the constitution lets us make laws man. And yes, my or should we say the people's freedoms and priorities are valid foundations for the creation of laws that limit activities of others that annoy them (in terms of public health, safety, and welfare).

How do you set rules and regulations for an airborne virus that will never go away? Explain.

I don't think you get what most are saying here. Smoking, ban it indoors. Cool, most would agree that's a good idea. Airborne virus, ban it........... oh wait, you can't. Just like you can't ban fishing by taking all the fish out of the sea. You're comparing buffalo chips to watermelon seeds at this point. There's nothing to do when MILLIONS of people currently have an airborne virus. It's here. Herd immunity is a scientific term. That's what we need. Granny be damned at this point.

Masks CLEARLY do not work as we've seen with the spread of this. Science uses data. The data shows us masks don't work to stop the spread. In fact may increase the spread as we may find out. You know what works to stop AIDS? Less gay sex between men. Maybe we should make that a felony to rid the world of AIDS? We'd be done with AIDS pretty quickly then.

We're going down a dangerous rabbit hole with this. To think otherwise is naive. This is a flu bug, not the plague.

just_passing_through says

I have and the entire Rio Grande Valley blew up for Trump. Much like most of the rest of the country.

For those not in Texas, Rio Grande Valley is 80-90% Hispanic and rural Hispanics voted for Trump in droves. Must be RACISTS!
Also, I am ca. 1% Native American by genetic studies (although of Caribbean origin). Do I get 1% of reparations?

WookieMan says

ThreeBays says

lol, the constitution lets us make laws man. And yes, my or should we say the people's freedoms and priorities are valid foundations for the creation of laws that limit activities of others that annoy them (in terms of public health, safety, and welfare).

How do you set rules and regulations for an airborne virus that will never go away? Explain.

I don't think you get what most are saying here. Smoking, ban it indoors. Cool, most would agree that's a good idea. Airborne virus, ban it........... oh wait, you can't. Just like you can't ban fishing by taking all the fish out of the sea. You're comparing buffalo chips to watermelon seeds at this point. There's nothing to do when MILLIONS of people currently have an airborne virus. It's here. Herd immunity is a scientific term. That's what we need. Granny be damned at this point.

Masks CLEARLY do not work as we...

3 Bays cannot be helped. He is a communist.

WookieMan says

Herd immunity is a scientific term. That's what we need. Granny be damned at this point.

Fucking CDC says fucking grannies have all been fucking vaccinated. So even this pretext is not working anymore to justify the power grab. Neither is "it's for the children" for obvious reasons.

ThreeBays says

There's no way you can say masks CLEARLY do not work, it's an opinion,

No it's a fact. They don't work against Covid. Why do you keep posting lies? They do prevent droplet based transmissions, not airborne ones. N95 and above have some efficacy if properly worn and not taken off during exposure, but still not good enough to advertise or certify it.

ThreeBays says

Masks are exactly the same as seatbelts: a measure that is believed to help the public health, albeit a temporary one until herd immunity is achieved in a controlled manner.

There's no way you can say masks CLEARLY do not work, it's an opinion, mostly fostered by a biased analysis of evidence that the circle jerk community on here is not qualified to make.

1. Please see peer-reviewed research that I cite above which clearly shows that masks do not work, or at best that their effect is statistically non-significant.
2. Please compare corona/death cases in Texas and FL with those in CA. This comparison, although imperfect, suggests that masks don't work as well.
3. I am actually reasonably well-qualified to evaluate this type of evidence.

Sadly, peer-reviewed research that MASKS DO NOT WORK is ignored by mask Jesuits. FACTS don't matter, FEEEELINGS do matter in leftist circles....