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I'm Leaving California

By NuttBoxer following x   2019 Jan 23, 11:18am 3,464 views   105 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


Getting on that outta state bandwagon. Despite making good money, and keeping my rent level for the past two years we are tighter than ever. I accepted a job in Phoenix, partly for the 30% decrease in cost-of-living, partly to stay within a drive-able distance of friends and relatives in San Diego. I had always assumed a six figure salary would mean I'd made it when I was younger, even if it was low six figures. That is no longer the case in California. Sick of seeing all my money go out as quickly as it comes in. I'd love to come back sometime in the future if prices ever go back to something remotely normal, but great weather and the ocean just aren't enough anymore.

I've always preached live within your means, this is me making the hard decision and practicing it. If you rent you are always one move away from getting back on track.

Debt is Slavery!

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66   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 9, 9:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
I accepted a job in Phoenix, partly for the 30% decrease in cost-of-living, partly to stay within a drive-able distance of friends and relatives in San Diego.

Debt is Slavery!



30% decrease? Did you live in Bakersfield or Fresno?
67   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2019 Mar 11, 10:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
Younger people are not as prone to getting into the gloom/depression but the shit gets to people after awhile - just like the Northwest. Grey skies and more grey skies.


I do remember the clouds getting to me, even as a kid. Still love Michigan as a great place to live, at least the areas I lived in.
68   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2019 Mar 11, 10:22pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tarantula says
My apologies, I'm clearly not as well versed in the various forms and sources of welfare as are you ;)


Too bad, you could have gotten something for your taxes besides a dick up your ass.

Tarantula says
I'm curious how an astute and boot-strapping right-wing Trump supporting conservative


.. But you are educated in the adult WWF, false dichotomy, hate anyone who doesn't agree with you propaganda. Trump is a warmongering, Wall Street insider who was smart enough to see an angle into the White House. Obama was warmongering Wall Street insider who did the same. You, are an ignorant bigot who has wasted his life defending one, and hating the other, but they both took turns fucking you.

Tarantula says
Personally, I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to be on welfare.


Bullshit. Someone as low-brow as you has no shame. Or maybe you do? You don't post under your original account here anymore, I wonder why not..?

Pussy.
69   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2019 Mar 11, 10:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
30% decrease? Did you live in Bakersfield or Fresno?


San Diego
70   just_dregalicious   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 11, 10:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Appreciate the story NuttBoxer keep it up!
71   just_dregalicious   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 11, 10:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
. But you are educated in the adult WWF, false dichotomy, hate anyone who doesn't agree with you propaganda. Trump is a warmongering, Wall Street insider who was smart enough to see an angle into the White House. Obama was warmongering Wall Street insider who did the same. You, are an ignorant bigot who has wasted his life defending one, and hating the other, but they both took turns fucking you.


Man, that was like a downgrade of his entire family!
72   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 12, 4:29am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says

I believe he's outside of Atlanta, GA

Down with the Rednecks. Talk about a culture shock when leaving CA, right?


The biggest culture shock was the workplace. People actually speak their mind down here without caring about stepping on someone else's toes. It's nice.

The other thing, people down here joke about skin color (my co-workers are about 50% black, 10% latino). Reality is, no one really cares what color you are - just the media - who try to race bait everyone.
73   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2019 Mar 12, 6:08am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joshuatrio says
MrMagic says

I believe he's outside of Atlanta, GA

Down with the Rednecks. Talk about a culture shock when leaving CA, right?


The biggest culture shock was the workplace. People actually speak their mind down here without caring about stepping on someone else's toes. It's nice.

The other thing, people down here joke about skin color (my co-workers are about 50% black, 10% latino). Reality is, no one really cares what color you are - just the media - who try to race bait everyone.


Democrats have nothing to offer besides genitals and melanin. Anytime they try to debate on policy, you get AOC type suggestions and everyone cringes or laughs.
74   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Mar 12, 6:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joshuatrio says
no one really cares what color you are


Au Contraire - one of many similar comments personally heard while facilitating training sessions in the greater Conyers area

I might have to work with "them" but I don't have to break bread with "them"

I might have to be nice to "them" at work but I don't have to spend time with "them" outside of work

The Old South has not died - it is just better hidden from view most of the time
75   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Apr 1, 6:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Americans are relocating more frequently than before, here's why. On average, 47 million U.S. residents moved each year from 2012 through 2016

As the housing market continues to slow down across the country, many homeowners are relocating to housing markets that better suit their financial needs.

In fact, according to NerdWallet’s Home Buyer Survey an average 47 million U.S. residents moved each year from 2012 to 2016.

And among the 25 metros analyzed in the report, all but Chicago and New York posted a net resident increase from migration.

“There are a lot of factors to consider when trying to understand why people move to a new city, and why some from abroad look to make the United States their new home,” NerdWallet Expert Holden Lewis said. “While some of those reasons might seem obvious, like a lower cost of living or relocation for a new job, some factors may be less tied to finances, like wanting to live closer to family or in a more culturally diverse city.”

That being said, NerdWallet’s report indicates the most common factor behind homeowner migration is the request of a housing upgrade.

“More than one-third of people who had recently moved said they wanted a larger or better-quality home, according to the 2017 American Housing Survey by the Census Bureau,” NerdWallet writes. “Such upgrades don’t typically require big moves — heading down the street or into another neighborhood is often enough. But some may seek more dramatic changes and move to another state.”

For those migrating out of state, NerdWallet’s data points to affordability as the second biggest motivation for relocation.

“Even though upgrading is the most common reason people move, according to the American Housing Survey, 18% of recent movers say they left their prior residence to reduce housing costs,” NerdWallet writes.

So, what markets are these homeowners relocating to? Well, according to the analysis, Tampa and Phoenix.

These housing markets had the highest share of out-of-state new homeowners, sitting at a whopping 41%. This total even exceeds the national average of 32%.

“Often the cities that attract the most newcomers are the same places where people are forced to compete for living space,” Lewis said. “In these growing metros, if construction of affordable housing doesn’t keep pace with population growth, then rents and home prices will rise.”

And Lewis is right, as Nerdwallet revealed homeownership costs have priced out many of out-of-state newcomers, resulting in 68% settling into their new housing markets as renters.

NOTE: NerdWallet’s Home Buyer survey is based on data collected from The Harris Poll, which features the responses of 2,029 U.S. adults ranging from January 16th through 18th.

https://www.housingwire.com/articles/48687-americans-are-relocating-more-frequently-than-before-heres-why
76   everything   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 3, 1:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I look at what happens to some of the old people.. They end up kicked into assisted living, etc. by family & company, etc. Thus, I continually downsize out of bigger into smaller places that fit my needs. Retirement communities are expanding is my guess.

Personally I'd rather migrate right the hell out of here to a country where people are valued.
77   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 3, 1:40pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Some people just move because they are chronically agitated and annoyed where they already live and think that the 'adventure' of moving will change things, until they become agitated and annoyed in their new environment.
78   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2019 Apr 4, 8:40am   ↑ like (9)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

After about a month here I've already decided I'm never going back. The one thing I didn't account for here is how much less stressful life is. When I go to the store, I don't have people constantly on top of me. There's more parking. The commute is at least five miles further than what I had in San Diego, but it takes me the same amount of time. My neighborhood is super quite, everyone is friendly, I have a yard, at least 500 more square feet, two car garage, and a pool for $300 less a month than what I paid for a 2/2 condo. And I can realistically buy a house here without going into debt for the rest of my life.

Oh yeah, and I already got my daughter into a charter that is VASTLY superior to the one she attends in San Diego.

Those people you talk about don't come from California. Californians have legitimate reason to leave.
79   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 4, 8:49am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
 

After about a month here I've already decided I'm never going back. The one thing I didn't account for here is how much less stressful life is. When I go to the store, I don't have people constantly on top of me. There's more parking. The commute is at least five miles further than what I had in San Diego, but it takes me the same amount of time. My neighborhood is super quite, everyone is friendly, I have a yard, at least 500 more square feet, two car garage, and a pool for $300 less a month than what I paid for a 2/2 condo. And I can realistically buy a house here without going into debt for the rest of my life.


Sounds pretty identical to our story.

Glad the move has worked out for you guys!
80   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 4, 8:51am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Are you in Texas?

NuttBoxer says
After about a month here I've already decided I'm never going back. The one thing I didn't account for here is how much less stressful life is. When I go to the store, I don't have people constantly on top of me. There's more parking. The commute is at least five miles further than what I had in San Diego, but it takes me the same amount of time. My neighborhood is super quite, everyone is friendly, I have a yard, at least 500 more square feet, two car garage, and a pool for $300 less a month than what I paid for a 2/2 condo. And I can realistically buy a house here without going into debt for the rest of my life.

Oh yeah, and I already got my daughter into a charter that is VASTLY superior to the one she attends in San Diego.

Those people you talk about don't come from California. Californians have legitimate reason to leave.
81   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2019 Apr 4, 10:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
Are you in Texas?


Arizona. Thought about Texas, but the 3 day trip to visit family in California was a deal breaker.
82   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 4, 10:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Someone asked above.

The answer is Scottsdale over SD, no question
83   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 4, 10:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

By the way, thanks for sharing your story.

My wife and I have tossed around the idea of leaving Silicon Valley for quite a while.

Unless you got into housing at the right time, why compete so hard for so little?
84   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Apr 5, 3:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

everything says
Retirement communities are expanding is my guess.


Rent before buying in a 55 and over place - a cautionary warning, I did not buy in one of them and glad I didn't.
85   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Apr 5, 3:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
Some people just move because they are chronically agitated and annoyed where they already live and think that the 'adventure' of moving will change things, until they become agitated and annoyed in their new environment.


Also referred to as a "geographic" in 12 step programs. Doesn't work for most of those that try it since the underlying problems travel with them.
86   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Apr 5, 3:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
but the 3 day trip to visit family in California was a deal breaker


That would seem to be an incentive in a lot of cases - actually a 4-5 hour plane trip removed is far better and you just can't put a price on a 12 hour plus plane trip, different day and time zone..
87   willywonka   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 5, 3:59am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You can always return to SD to vote there. Even citizens of Mexico can vote in California.
88   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 5, 7:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

willywonka says
You can always return to SD to vote there. Even citizens of Mexico can vote in California.


Or put voting in your Will. Dems like to "mine" the posthumous vote.
89   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 5, 9:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
My wife and I have tossed around the idea of leaving Silicon Valley for quite a while.


Is the Bay Area your home town area? (ie, where you grew up?)
90   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 5, 10:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

B.A.C.A.H. says
BayArea says
My wife and I have tossed around the idea of leaving Silicon Valley for quite a while.


Is the Bay Area your home town area? (ie, where you grew up?)


Yes, grew up in the East Bay
91   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (4)   2019 Apr 6, 8:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

1 hour of Classic San Fran Freako rant

92   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 6, 8:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You got to do what makes financial sense for you. I feel like CA has gone from a family friendly place, to just a place everyone trashes. bums, needles, mentally ill parades (lgbt, trannies, and other horseshit), illegals, and problems such shortage of housing and other basic needs which probably stems from insane inflow of illegals that the system fails to keep up with.

I can't fault anyone for leaving CA, like I can't fault anyone for wanting to get the fuck out of Detroit.
93   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 6, 9:32pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

California still has really incredible natural beauty in spite of everything.

Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.
94   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (4)   2019 Apr 6, 9:41pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.



Except, you still won't be able to escape "Something", even if you hide in the bathroom with the door shut.



Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo. Ahora, nosotros tenemos los pollos luchar. Debito cuarenta dolares en "La Machina", el grande le aca.
95   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 6, 9:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says


Yes, grew up in the East Bay


Yep. This is sad. I know more homies who left than stayed. Many more.
96   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 6, 9:57pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
after all the liberals have died out from feminism

Won't even be missed. Privileged grad-school graduates with H-1's backfilling the void with their own kids and value systems. We're becoming an extension of Shanghai and Bombay, with a population of illegals for them to exploit.
97   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 7, 9:38am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLearnToCode says
Patrick says
Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.



Except, you still won't be able to escape "Something", even if you hide in the bathroom with the door shut.



Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo. Ahora, nosotros tenemos los pollos luchar. Debito cuarenta dolares en "La Machina", el grande le aca.


Damn, she's cute.

Mostly I don't mind the Mexicans as people. Good families, hard workers. I just want them to come here legally and in limited numbers, or not at all. And once here legally, they should strive to become American like previous waves of immigrants did.
98   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 7, 10:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Everything comes and goes. Left is obsessed with promoting fag shit and feminism.

4-8 years that fetish will pass. CA will be conservative again, it will not survive otherwise. And history teaches us that liberalism leads to shit, followed by conservatism.

Patrick says
California still has really incredible natural beauty in spite of everything.

Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.
99   just_dregalicious   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 7, 11:04am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLearnToCode says
Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo.


That has been my experience trying to camp anywhere near Austin or San Antonio. Day and Night. Every. Damn. Time.
100   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (4)   2019 Apr 7, 2:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

Damn, she's cute.

Mostly I don't mind the Mexicans as people. Good families, hard workers. I just want them to come here legally and in limited numbers, or not at all. And once here legally, they should strive to become American like previous waves of immigrants did.


Agreed, especially on the first count. My post was facetious. It's the Left Wing crowd that is the danger.
101   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Apr 7, 2:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Mostly I don't mind the Mexicans as people. Good families, hard workers


Heard the same lines in Conyersa few years back. Some of those "good ole boys" like on the Dukes of Hazard talking about their black co-workers.

They were a bit more specific though...

Wouldn't want one to marry into the family

Wouldn't marry one themselves

Wouldn't want to break bread with them or hang out with them after work

But other than that they were okay with "them", hell they might even share the lunch room with "them peoples".
105   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 14, 1:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

just_dregalicious says
MisterLearnToCode says
Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo.


That has been my experience trying to camp anywhere near Austin or San Antonio. Day and Night. Every. Damn. Time.


My last few camping trips in CA have included neighbors having all night fiestas.

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