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I don’t think he actually gives a rat’s ass about immigrant children. He’s just gloating about the potential of this tempest in a teacup to give the Trump administration a black eye with voters.

Personally, I think Trump should double down. He won’t be changing any minds of the Leftist activists, but he might pick up more people who like how reduced immigration is helping wages finally go up!

LeonDurham says

Bring back Glass Steagall
Eliminate carried interest loophole

Incredible.

I'm getting convinced that good memes are the way to win the fight:



(Thanks Sniper)

There needs to be some humor, and this one is well done, and factual too. Hillary really did say that, and it will draw in the haters for a moment because at first glance it looks like a typical hate-Trump meme. A good meme gets forwarded a thousand times, greatly amplifying its effect.

Quigley says

Personally, I think Trump should double down. He won’t be changing any minds of the Leftist activists, but he might pick up more people who like how reduced immigration is helping wages finally go up!

This is really what the fight is about.

Entrenched elitist (mostly) liberal business interests want to deliberately impoverish US citizens for their own increased profits. Lower wages help the rich.

And so illegals are useful to push down wage demands by the poorest Americans. Thus the media suddenly "discovers" an interest in the welfare of the children of illegals.

rando says

I'm getting convinced that good memes are the way to win the fight:

The Great Meme War of 2016 got Trump elected. It's a great way to condense an argument visually and through text.

The entire illegal alien debate is 100% emotional for Democrats, small condensed fact memes are great at countering this.

Quigley says

Personally, I think Trump should double down. He won’t be changing any minds of the Leftist activists, but he might pick up more people who like how reduced immigration is helping wages finally go up!

Yes, please do!!!! Triple down. Quadruple down!

rando says

This is really what the fight is about.

Entrenched elitist (mostly) liberal business interests want to deliberately impoverish US citizens for their own increased profits. Lower wages help the rich.

And so illegals are useful to push down wage demands by the poorest Americans. Thus the media suddenly "discovers" an interest in the welfare of the children of illegals.

lol--this has nothing to do with keeping immigrants here or allowing more to enter. As far as I can tell, everyone agrees they need to be sent back. The only issue is whether we should be forcibly taking breastfeeding babies from their Moms and flying them 1000 miles away to a detention center.

rando says

I'm getting convinced that good memes are the way to win the fight:

Trump supporters love memes because they are almost universally misleading and lack any nuance.

They are the #1 method for spreading lies. It's no surprise they use them almost exclusively.

Sounds like Trump is caving. He's going to sign "something"

Not bad, but could be funnier, and thus propagate better.

Graphics need to be sharper and more professional too.

Maybe it would be more effective to photoshop an MS 13 gang member into one of those agit-prop photos of children in cages currently being used by the press to get sympathy for the agenda to lower wages for the poorest US citizens.

You can’t cross border illegally. It’s that simple. That’s a broken law.

RafiMaas says

FortWayne says

Leon you like to ignore this, but fact is that if you get arrested, your kids don’t share jail cell with you. You’d be separated for children’s sake.

Same thing here. Or are liberals so unaware of reality that life surprises them?

Again, in asking for asylum, what law has been broken?

RafiMaas says

FortWayne says

Leon you like to ignore this, but fact is that if you get arrested, your kids don’t share jail cell with you. You’d be separated for children’s sake.

Same thing here. Or are liberals so unaware of reality that life surprises them?

Again, in asking for asylum, what law has been broken?

Asking gor asylum at port of entry doesn't break any laws. Crossing the border where there is no POE and then asking obviosly does. The violation in this case is "crossing the border". Did I type this slow enough?

LeonDurham says

Sounds like Trump is caving. He's going to sign "something"

Trump clearly getting screwed on this. Needs to sign right now, and end this nonsense.

LeonDurham says

The only issue is whether we should be forcibly taking breastfeeding babies from their Moms and flying them 1000 miles away to a detention center.

LOL! Wow way to spin it! How about the 83% of detained kids who crossed the border WITHOUT their parents! Being put in a nice center with caring professionals is the luckiest thing that could have happened to them! If the human smugglers who had them in tow had succeeded in crossing without being held by border guards, they would have sold the kids to rape hotels!
Oh but let’s talk about breastfeeding mothers... bullshit! If any mother who was about to have a kid was interested in crossing, they’d cross BEFORE that kid crowned so it would be a citizen when she pushed it out!

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

These pictures look like children on their first day of Kindergarten.

LeonDurham says

Trump supporters love memes because they are almost universally misleading and lack any nuance.

Ha! Lack of nuance?!! Like the Democrats and Media accusing Republicans of being Nazis for enforcing our borders?

Funny how Liberals and the Media didn't say a fucking word about this issue until last week - and now they are all at DEFCON-5 going absolutely ape-shit.

LeonDurham says

Bring back Glass Steagall

BTW, Hillary made it clear she wasn't going to do this.

And no, it's not deflection: She was the viable alternative to Trump and therefore the relevant contrasting politician.

(Indeed, she was supposed to trounce him in a blowout). I also note Obama had two years with control of the Congress, and neither Schumer, Pelosi, Reid or anybody else pushed this.

LeonDurham says

lol--this has nothing to do with keeping immigrants here or allowing more to enter. As far as I can tell, everyone agrees they need to be sent back. The only issue is whether we should be forcibly taking breastfeeding babies from their Moms and flying them 1000 miles away to a detention center.

Exaggeration.

Also, fact is that many of them are travelling alone or with other children. So you can't put them with adults.

I love the media showing the temporary processing facilities and implying it's the detention center.

Google "Flores Agreement". When a 15-year old girl was held in general detention and strip searched, the ACLU and the Catholic "Everybody's leaving us, bring us more Latins" Church sued sued sued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_v._Flores

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Google "Flores Agreement". When a 15-year old girl was held in general detention and strip searched, the ACLU and the Catholic "Everybody's leaving us, bring us more Latins" Church sued sued sued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_v._Flores

What's amazing is that the original event which triggered the litigation happened 33 years ago. And the fucking litigation is still fucking pending in fucking 2018. Our court system is so fucking efficient....

Hassan_Rouhani says

What's amazing is that the original event which triggered the litigation happened 33 years ago. And the fucking litigation is still fucking pending in fucking 2018. Our court system is so fucking efficient....

It's Deliberate Lawfare, to gum up the works and prevent immigration enforcement. How to prevent that form of tyranny?

Meanwhile, a Propaganda Image busted...

I think by broadcasting these images of "babies in cages" the media basically doing Trump's bidding by providing a deterrent for these planning to enter US illegally.

I was talking with my wife about this last night and she brought up a good point about a humans right to not be detained. This goes to a bigger issue than illegals, but it's relevant to this topic.

I don't think governments should be able to detain or prevent people from entering a country(this includes passport requirements). It infringes on our God given right to travel freely. Now if the person has been accused of a crime, that's a valid reason to deny entry, or deport someone. But that's the only valid reason.

As to the issue of illegals specifically, as I've mentioned many times, if you don't want illegals in your country, prosecute and jail employers who hire them, don't give them any government aid, medical care, or schooling, unless it's paid for by private organizations who's members agree to help illegals.

They probably bought the children for 50c apiece at an outlet close to the border as immigration tickets. "Buy children, fool Yanks, use them for welfare money then release!"

Feux Follets says

Nary a peep about doing anything to the management, company involved or the like.

And those employees will be on the next coyte transport back unless things have dramatically changed in their home countries. You can't blame someone for trying to better their life.

NuttBoxer says

You can't blame someone for trying to better their life.

Where does it stop? I mean what laws it's OK to violate if one is simply "trying to better his life"? If someone robs a bank and gets a million bucks, this kind of dough will instantly make his life much better. Can we blame this person for trying to better his life?

Feux Follets says

Nary a peep about doing anything to the management, company involved or the like.

Because Democrats refuse to pass E-Verify.

Why do you support a party that is against E-Verify?

NuttBoxer says

And those employees will be on the next coyte transport back unless things have dramatically changed in their home countries. You can't blame someone for trying to better their life.

And these home countries will never get better if everyone flees to the US.

Hassan_Rouhani says

Where does it stop? I mean what laws it's OK to violate if one is simply "trying to better his life"?

If you're a Libertarian, you already know the answer. Traveling to a different country for work is not a crime, it doesn't infringe on anyone else's right to live their lives.

And if the law ever replaces personal morality, then you're screwed no matter what since government is a soul-less machine, not a barometer for judging what is right and wrong.

socal2 says

And these home countries will never get better if everyone flees to the US.

Agreed. But many of these people come from countries the CIA, or our war on drugs, has had a direct had in de-stabilizing. Governments don't give a fuck about the people they hurt, just the power they can grab.

NuttBoxer says

If you're a Libertarian, you already know the answer. Traveling to a different country for work is not a crime, it doesn't infringe on anyone else's right to live their lives.

In truly libertarian world? Maybe. But we don't live in such world. The cost of illegal aliens to every California taxpaying household is well-established and is far from trivial.

NuttBoxer says

Agreed. But many of these people come from countries the CIA, or our war on drugs, has had a direct had in de-stabilizing.

Bah!

It was Marxism that fucked up South and Central America (and Africa, the Middle East and much of the 3rd World) - not America trying to stop it.

Tenpoundbass says

Another Fucked Up Narrative by the Liberal Media.... Do they EVER stop stepping on their own dicks?

DAD: GIRL ON 'TIME' COVER WAS NEVER SEPARATED FROM MOTHER...

The father of the Honduran girl who became the face of the family separation crisis has revealed that he still has not been in touch with his wife or daughter but was happy to learn they are safe.

Denis Javier Varela Hernandez, 32, said that he had not heard from his wife Sandra, 32, who was with his two-year-old daughter Yanela Denise, for nearly three weeks until he saw the image of them being apprehended in Texas.

In an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com, Hernandez, who lives in Puerto Cortes, Honduras, says that he was told yesterday that his wife and child are being detained at a family residential center in Texas but are together and are doing 'fine.'

'You can imagine how I felt when I saw that photo of my daughter. It broke my heart. It's difficult as a father to see that, but I know now that they are not in danger. They are safer now than when they were making that journey to the border,' he said.

Denis said his wife and daughter were never separated by border control agents and remain together.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5869829/Father-two-year-old-face-child-separation-crisis-speaks-out.html

socal2 says

It was Marxism that fucked up South and Central America (and Africa, the Middle East and much of the 3rd World) - not America trying to stop it.

Im perplexed as to why so many people continue to believe in Marxism/socialism/communism in spite of overwhelming evidence that it has never ever succeeded, but always failed miserably.