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I am not sure about this. Pipeline was blown up a day after Norwegians opened a nat gas pipeline to Poland, at which point Poland and neighboring E. European countries don't need Russian gas any more (screamers EUROPE WILL FREEZE THIS WINTER! take note). Furthermore, reducing flow of Russian gas will make US/Arab liquefied gas more competitive. Thus, blowing up the pipeline benefits US, Poland + other E. European countries (as in screw Russia AND Germany at the same time, WIN-WIN for them), Gulf Arabs. For Russia, I don't see profit here unless they have gone completely stupid and batshit crazy, which can not be excluded.

Hence, it is somewhat likely that pipeline was blown up by either US, Arabs, or Poland.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/27/baltic-pipe-norway-poland-gas-pipeline-opens-in-key-move-to-cut-dependency-on-russia

Bd6r says

For Russia, I don't see profit here unless they have gone completely stupid and batshit crazy, which can not be excluded.

At this point it's the only workable hypothesis. Nothing of the shit they do since Feb 2014 makes much sense from pragmatic interests POV and it's getting more and more batshit with every passing day.

Bd6r says

Pipeline was blown up a day after Norwegians opened a nat gas pipeline to Poland, at which point Poland and neighboring E. European countries don't need Russian gas any more (screamers EUROPE WILL FREEZE THIS WINTER! take note).

Anyone care to offer a rebuttal?

GNL says

Anyone care to offer a rebuttal?

Norway doesn't have enough natural gas to supply Germany. Poland, Finland, and the Baltics secured their supply.

Eric Holder says

Except NS2 never worked but Germany was surviving just fine.

So why the rush to buy firewood?

This is the problem with believing lies. The longer you hold onto them, the more lies you have to accept in order to keep your false reality intact. It's a slippery slope.

Booger says

Norway doesn't have enough natural gas to supply Germany. Poland, Finland, and the Baltics secured their supply.

I'm sure they don't care as long as they can sell what they have a 5 times the previous prices. A Maybach in every pot in Norway?

Eric Holder says

At this point it's the only workable hypothesis.

Are you seriously claiming that the Russians blew up their own pipeline instead of just turning the valve to "off"?

This would take away their power to turn it to "on", and no state voluntarily gives up power, ever.

Biden bragged that he would shut off that pipeline, and it's clearly in America's interest, so it's definitely a "workable hypothesis" that DC goons did it just like they said they would.

Eric Holder says

Bd6r says

For Russia, I don't see profit here unless they have gone completely stupid and batshit crazy, which can not be excluded.

At this point it's the only workable hypothesis. Nothing of the shit they do since Feb 2014 makes much sense from pragmatic interests POV and it's getting more and more batshit with every passing day.

Meanwhile, Europe their long time adversary, is going to be freezing this winter, the United States sent almost 2 times to Ukraine than what Russia spends on their ENTIRE military per year, foreign businesses have left Russia, they are supplying India and China with not only energy and fertilizer, a food supply crisis in the United States and Europe is becoming evident as assholes in each nation close down farms and are trying to convince us to eat bugs.

If Putin is stupid, and he might be, the leaders of the West are either drooling morons or, they are purposely destroying the West.

GNL says

Bd6r says

Pipeline was blown up a day after Norwegians opened a nat gas pipeline to Poland, at which point Poland and neighboring E. European countries don't need Russian gas any more (screamers EUROPE WILL FREEZE THIS WINTER! take note).

Anyone care to offer a rebuttal?

Germany has by far the largest natural gas storage capacity in Europe. The capacity is 256 terawatt-hours natural gas energy content. Gas turbines have thermo efficiency around 20-40%, so that 256 terawatt-hours natural gas energy content translates to 65-100 terawatt-hours of electricity. German annual electricity generation/consumption is over 600 terawatt-hours. So total storage capacity is about 1 to 2 months, that's counting electricity generation use only, not counting winter heating use of natural gas. The new Norway-Poland gas pipeline is scheduled to deliver about 6.5 billion cubic meters of natural gas in 2023; that translates to about 60 terawatt-hours natural gas energy content. That's equivalent to another 1 month for electricity generation alone (and will have to spread out over a year for delivery). So combining storage and the new Norway-Poland pipeline (that can deliver in all of 2023) result in enough natural gas for 2-3 months of electricity generation for Germany. Where is the gas for the other 9-10 months going to come from? That's for electricity generation alone, not counting winter heating use of natural gas. That's for Germany alone, not counting Poland and Baltic states.

Except that you have a former muckety-muck from Poland thanking the US in a tweet. Doesn't seem like something you'd do if you were involved.

Eric Holder says

Patrick says

Except NS2 never worked but Germany was surviving just fine. Who creates this shit? 3rd graders in Chelyabinsk?

Europe didn't need Nordstream I if II was still operational, and the RUMORS I've heard is that BOTH pipelines were destroyed.

I don't see what people don't get. This was an attack not on Russia, it was an attack in Europe, and in a VASTLY smaller way, Russia. It doesn't really effect Russia, but it's going to drive up the cost of natural gas through the roof.

Bd6r says

@Bd6r Who is that guy?

Patrick says

Just archiving it, so people know it's true.


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richwicks says

a food supply crisis in the United States and Europe is becoming evidence as assholes in each nation close down farms and are trying to convince us to eat bugs.

There won't be a food supply crisis here. This years crops are insane in the Midwest. Best growing season I've seen in my lifetime besides when I lived in Chicago and didn't witness it. We've had perfect weather, no hail storms, good mix of rain/sun/clouds. I've never had to mow my lawn every other day in the past besides May and it's not saturated either. I wouldn't worry about shortages here unless it's intentional.

Unless you survive on something other than meat, cheese and veggies, the US will be totally fine. Any shortage would be the result of people not wanting to work thinking Biden will hand out money.

Patrick says

@Bd6r Who is that guy?

@Patrick

Didn't you watch action movies in 80's? This is Steven Seagal, who is now a Putler-lover

Reality says

So combining storage and the new Norway-Poland pipeline (that can deliver in all of 2023) result in enough natural gas for 2-3 months of electricity generation for Germany. Where is the gas for the other 9-10 months going to come from? That's for electricity generation alone, not counting winter heating use of natural gas. That's for Germany alone, not counting Poland and Baltic states.

Where did you get that Poland and Baltics will share this gas with Germany? It covers most of their gas needs, no reason to make Germans happy. Let'em eat green energy.

Analysts say the new Baltic Pipe should have benefits for countries beyond Poland.

"The Baltic Pipe will also be important for the Baltic States. They can receive gas through the GIPL — Gas Interconnector Poland Lithuania — the same way Poland has received gas from Lithuania since April," said Trine Villumsen Berling.

"The corridor is also suitable to transfer gas from Poland to the Danish market, further adding to the flexibility and security of energy supply in the region," the DIIS said an energy assessment published in July.

It highlighted Poland and Lithuania as having been in the forefront of calls for "greater unity within the EU and stronger sanctions on Russian fossil fuels".

"Although a number of strategic projects in the Polish and Lithuanian energy sectors are coming to fruition today, they are the outcomes of the two states’ long-term strategic visions of energy independence from Moscow’s grip," the report said.

Bd6r says

Where did you get that Poland and Baltics will share this gas with Germany? It covers most of their gas needs, no reason to make Germans happy. Let'em eat green energy.

That was also my thought. The Poles are no fans of either Germany or Russia, for good historical and geographic reasons.

Poland literally means something like "flat fields" and the country in an inviting target for tanks rolling in either direction, except in the mountainous south.

https://t.me/asbmil/5772

https://t.me/asbmil/5773

Uh, guess the Poles are bad spin doctors:
https://t.me/asbmil/5783

I have to give DoD credit, they are really good at spamming Twitter with propaganda. Naturally it's always bullshit, so kind of telling that it was US that did it. Considering the only beneficiary here is the US, makes sense. And it's not like Russian government will get their opinion from reading Twitter. They might retaliate in some way, who knows what it'll be.

Too bad there are more people concerned with assigning blame than what this could mean for Europeans this winter.

2030, you'll freeze your ass off, and you'll be happy!

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/slouching-toward-endgame/

Since “Joe Biden” flat-out promised last February to “bring an end to the Nord Stream pipeline” — and let’s assume he meant both NS 1 and 2 — why seek further to unravel a fake mystery? Is our apparitional “president” not a man of his word? Of course, the machinery behind “Joe Biden” so far denies any credit for the consequential act, but who in this land is unaware that the US government’s default setting these days for answering anything is to lie.

The purpose of the act was likewise simple, plain, and obvious: to foreclose any possibility of Germany negotiating a separate peace with Russia around the financial and economic sanctions imposed by the USA over the Ukraine operation. Don’t you suppose it was clear to any German with half a brain that NATO’s joining of the sanctions was nothing less than a one-way ticket to Palookaville for Euroland? That it would mean goodbye to its advanced manufacturing economy and then goodbye to a comfortable, modern, standard of living?

Not many weeks ago German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock told the world that Germany would support Ukraine (and US-driven NATO policy) “no matter what German voters think.” That was all for show, you understand, to maintain the flimsy pretense that NATO had any actual stake in whatever happens in Ukraine — as the result of the dumpster fire set there by America. At the same time, that very same German foreign ministry was sneaking through back channels to feel out the Russian foreign ministry on ways Germany might get Russian natgas on the down-low, through third parties, say, Turkey, buying time until the glorious day those Nord Stream pipelines might re-open and the former normality of German economic life would resume?

“Joe Biden” slammed the door on that pretty conclusively Monday, blowing up the two pipelines, a premier act of insanity by a US government fueled at every level and in every direction by psychotic strategic thinking. For starters, consider that the Nord Stream sabotage amounts to the leading member of NATO committing an act-of-war against the rest of NATO. What else do you call depriving most of Europe the means to make a living — or merely to stay alive?

As it happens, Germany is in no position to answer this casus belli by going to war against the USA. Germany has a Potemkin military — America has made sure of that since 1945, the last time these Teutons of northern forests went batshit crazy against Western Civ. Seems to me that either Chancellor Olaf Scholz acknowledges this deadly affront to Germany and negates further participation in the NATO Ukraine idiocy, OR, within a few months he will face violent political uprising from his own people and his government will fall — and not necessarily within the framework of any orderly parliamentary procedure. More like mobs in the streets… chaos… government buildings torched… officials strung-up — real insurrection, not the fake kind we hear about endlessly from the American Party of Chaos. ...

“Joe Biden” and his regime of Satanic degenerates will just have to lump it. They will have lost Europe’s loyalty by the foolish Nord Stream caper. They will have enough trouble on their hands at home with America’s collapsing economy and all the ill-feeling they have generated with the Woke insults, persecutions, and punishments inflicted on half the population — not to mention the coming dire repercussions of the wicked Covid “vaccine” scam. In the meantime, “Joe Biden’s” Party of Chaos faces the wrath of American voters in the midterm election. And if, perchance, they take the majestically stupid step of cancelling, postponing or somehow messing with that election, they will face the wrath of the voters from the ground beneath the hanging tree.

Patrick says

“Joe Biden” and his regime of Satanic degenerates will just have to lump it.

They are still in the phase of 'generating the problem' i.e. deconstruction, treason, arson, and provoking deep divisions in order to force war. From 'Behold a Pale Horse', they have the notion of force amplifiers in the world circuits. The more death and violent division, the bertter.

The wax dummy actor playing Biden is even acting like Dr. Evil in smug, cackling expositions. We aren't watching a movie, we are watching a cartoon.

NuttBoxer says

Too bad there are more people concerned with assigning blame than what this could mean for Europeans this winter.

2030, you'll freeze your ass off, and you'll be happy!

Europe had a goal to have gas storage at 80% by Oct 1 in order to be safe until March. As of yesterday they are at 88.2%. And Norway just opened a new pipeline. Nobody will be freezing in Europe anytime soon. Maybe except some dumb fucks like Hungarians who made themselves even more dependent on Ruscist gas than stupid cunts in Germany. Nah, not even them will freeze - they are at 77%.

Eric Holder says

Europe had a goal to have gas storage at 80% by Oct 1 in order to be safe until March. As of yesterday they are at 88.2%. And Norway just opened a new pipeline. Nobody will be freezing in Europe anytime soon. Maybe except some dumb fucks like Hungarians who made themselves even more dependent on Ruscist gas than stupid cunts in Germany. Nah, not even them will freeze - they are at 77%.

Absolutely right if your numbers are accurate, and it's really just supply and demand. There are more than enough resources in the world for everyone to have what they need. But when you've got anti-environmental(green) agendas shutting down power plants, and you've got fascist dictators using every excuse to jack up prices, it becomes unaffordable for a lot of people.

An important point to remember though, depending on anyone else for your energy is never as good of a bet as depending on yourself. Bigger picture, we all need to be moving out of cities, and towards self-reliance. That's the best way to ensure 2030 never gets off the ground.

Problem of being 'self sufficient' and moving off grid is they will find you eventually, anyway if conceded the absolute central power that they crave. Unless you are willing to huddle with Bigfoot, it will only be a temporary way of buying time to attempt to consolidate against the boot.

Ceffer says

Unless you are willing to huddle with Bigfoot,

Eric Holder says

Europe had a goal to have gas storage at 80% by Oct 1 in order to be safe until March. As of yesterday they are at 88.2%. And Norway just opened a new pipeline. Nobody will be freezing in Europe anytime soon. Maybe except some dumb fucks like Hungarians who made themselves even more dependent on Ruscist gas than stupid cunts in Germany. Nah, not even them will freeze - they are at 77%.

I'm afraid you are mistaken. The entire gas storage capacity is much less than that which is required for electricity generation and heating through a winter. As I pointed out yesterday, Germany has by far the largest natural gas storage capacity in Europe. The capacity is 256 terawatt-hours natural gas energy content. Gas turbines have thermo efficiency around 20-40%, so that 256 terawatt-hours natural gas energy content translates to 65-100 terawatt-hours of electricity. German annual electricity generation/consumption is over 600 terawatt-hours. So total storage capacity is equivalent to about 1 to 2 months' burn rate, that's counting electricity generation use only, not counting winter heating use of natural gas. The new Norway-Poland gas pipeline is scheduled to deliver about 6.5 billion cubic meters of natural gas in 2023; that translates to about 60 terawatt-hours natural gas energy content. That's equivalent to another 1 month for electricity generation alone (and will have to spread out over a year for delivery). So combining storage and the new Norway-Poland pipeline (that can deliver in all of 2023) result in enough natural gas for 2-3 months of electricity generation for Germany. Where is the gas for the other 9-10 months going to come from? That's for electricity generation alone, not counting winter heating use of natural gas. That's for German consumption alone, not counting Polish and Baltic states' consumption needs.

And as B6dr pointed out, contrary to the most optimistic scenario I illustrated above, the Norway-Poland pipleline is primarily for Poland and Baltic states. The entire Norway-Poland pipeline is scheduled to deliver 6.5 billion cubic meters of natural gas in 2023, contrasting to 2x27.5 = 55 billion cubic meters of natural gas in a year through the twin pipes of Nordstream 1. The capacity is off by 9 fold. Frankly, even Poland and Baltic states with their nearly 50 million population, need more natural gas than the Norway-Poland pipe can deliver. So it is indeed a freeze-to-kill operation to recycle the money that Poles and Baltics (and Germans, especially East Germans) earned and saved in the past 30+ years, so the banksters won't have to deal with the dead savers showing up to withdraw money.

Ceffer says

Problem of being 'self sufficient' and moving off grid is they will find you eventually, anyway if conceded the absolute central power that they crave.

You assume they're capable of staying in power, which they aren't. I'm talking about starting over, reshaping our society into small communities that source most of what they need locally. The only other choice is slavery. Keep using their debt systems, keep relying on their central resources, keep reacting to the next planned disaster. I'm not putting a mask on again, and means I've got some fucking work to do to make I don't have ever have to.

Reality says

The capacity is off by 9 fold. Frankly, even Poland and Baltic states with their nearly 50 million population, need more natural gas than the Norway-Poland pipe can deliver.

Butinge LNG terminal was feeding LNG to Baltics and PL already after Russian pipeline shutdown. I am not sure what is its capacity, and I am not sure how much LNG Baltics + Poland will need, but they will not freeze this winter since they have planned for this eventuality. However, it is clear that their heating cost will be up in hundreds of percent.

On top of that, the usual East European tactic of screwing everyone over if it benefits them is probably in action in Belarus and Baltics. I am nearly confident that pipeline from Belarus to Latvia carrying oil refinery products is quietly functioning...

Ceffer says

Problem of being 'self sufficient' and moving off grid is they will find you eventually, anyway if conceded the absolute central power that they crave. Unless you are willing to huddle with Bigfoot, it will only be a temporary way of buying time to attempt to consolidate against the boot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lykov_family

In 1936, their religion was under threat. After Karp Lykov's brother was killed by a Soviet patrol, Karp and Akulina Lykov with their two children, Savin and Natalia, fled their hometown of Lykovo (Tyumen Oblast) eastward. Two more children, Dmitry and Agafia, were born during the isolation. They ended up in a dwelling in the taiga, near the Yerinat River (Abakan river basin), 250 kilometres (160 mi) from any settlement. In 1978 their location was discovered by a helicopter pilot, who was flying a geological group into the region. The geologists made contact with the family, but the Lykovs decided not to leave the place.[4][1][5][6]

Akulina died of hunger in 1961, having sacrificed herself so that her children might survive. Three of the children died in 1981. Savin and Natalia suffered from kidney failure, most likely a result of their harsh diet. Dmitry died of pneumonia.[1] Karp died in 1988. He is survived by his daughter Agafia Lykova, who has over the years accumulated a herd of goats and flock of chickens and has built herself a decent hut.

Reality says

The entire Norway-Poland pipeline is scheduled to deliver 6.5 billion cubic meters of natural gas in 2023

And just for comparison LNG tankers average 150,000 cubic meters in capacity, which is enough gas to supply some 42,000 U.S. homes for a year. Pipelines are capital intensive (upfront) but you can see why they are desirable. I believe they usually require guarantees for 10 years for investors to be comfortable that they will be able to turn a profit.

EBGuy says

And just for comparison LNG tankers average 150,000 cubic meters in capacity, which is enough gas to supply some 42,000 U.S. homes for a year. Pipelines are capital intensive (upfront) but you can see why they are desirable. I believe they usually require guarantees for 10 years for investors to be comfortable that they will be able to turn a profit.

Thanks for the info, which makes the situation even more dire than my analysis above showed. If average LNG tanker only carries 150,000 cubic meters of natural gas, that means filling the Norwegian terminal with 6.5 billion cubic meters will require 43,333 tanker-loads. Distance from Halifax to Norway is about 3000 miles, and those tankers likely travel at 15-20 knots, meaning a round trip taking 3 weeks. Even if the tankers don't need any downtime for maintenance, each tanker can only make 14 round trips in a year (with rotating crew members to keep the ships shuttling at all time). 43,333 / 14 = 3095. That's the number of LNG tankers required at the minimum. There are only 641 LNG tankers in the entire world! All the LNG tankers fleet in the entire world shuttling between Halifax (the northeast-most non-freezing major port on continental North America) and Norway can only replace about 2% of what Nordstream-1 delivered.

BTW, "LNG tankers average 150,000 cubic meters in capacity, which is enough gas to supply some 42,000 U.S. homes for a year" doesn't sound right. I just looked up my own natural gas usage, the total in the last 12 billing months was a little over 1200 therms, converted to metric units is about 3500 cubic meters. 150,000 cubic meters would be able to sustain 43 homes like mine in southern New England for a year (summer usage for heating water and gas stove cooking is about 15 therms per month, but winter heating can be as high as over 250 therms in Feb, despite Feb being a shortened month), not anywhere close to the 42,000 US homes figure. That's for heating use only, not including electricity generation. Most of central Europe has weather comparable to or colder than New England, not Florida weather. According to USDA zone map, my house is in the warmest part of Zone-6 (in a city and within 10 miles from the sea/ocean). Most of Germany is in Zone 6 and Zone 5 (colder); most of Poland and Baltics are deep into Zone 5.

Bd6r says

Butinge LNG terminal was feeding LNG to Baltics and PL already after Russian pipeline shutdown. I am not sure what is its capacity, and I am not sure how much LNG Baltics + Poland will need, but they will not freeze this winter since they have planned for this eventuality. However, it is clear that their heating cost will be up in hundreds of percent.

Any tanker going into the Baltic Sea would only divert from the 641 global LNG tanker count for shuttling between Halifax and Norway. As calculated in my post above, 3000+ LNG tankers are needed to fulfil the 6.5 billion cubic meters target for the Norway-Poland pipeline. There are only 641 LNG tankers in the entire world as of this year.

From a friend of mine in the Netherlands:

And the gas prices are skyrocketing here. We are currently paying 180EUR per month for electricity and gas combined, but our provider wants to raise it to 400EUR per month! My colleague at the office is now paying 693EUR, while her usual was 336EUR. Hopefully, this war in Ukraine will resolve soon and things will go back to normal. People in Europe are kind of depressed about this since we just came out of a pandemic a few months ago…

Patrick says

People in Europe are kind of depressed about this since we just came out of a pandemic a few months ago…

I hear burning WEF and Globalist apparatchiks make excellent fuel for warmth, albeit a bit stinky.