patrick.net

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Losharik?wprov=sfti1

cisTits says

Peter Zeihan -- he's right. The list of suspects is as long as an ohomen post.

https://us11.campaign-archive.com/?u=de2bc41f8324e6955ef65e0c9&id=0a2580b4ff

Ukraine's one and only submarine was captured by Ruscists in Crimea in 2014. By that time it already has been inop for at least a decade.

I vote Ruscists doing it because they are the only onese having both means and motive.

personal

personal

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/nordstream-of-consciousness?isFreemail=true

Most likely suspects US>UK>Germany

Now EU can blame this instead of shitty policies for people freezing and economy tanking. Russia looses large bargaining Chip.

Who wins from this?

"You are just a fucking troll, motherfucker." is clearly personal.

You removed that, so comment approved now.

This is still personal but slightly better I guess:

"Stop posting shit like a troll."

So I approved that one too.

RC2006 says

Who wins from this?

People who don't care if Europeans freeze and starve, as long as they can gain more power for themselves. They are in DC.

If the USA sabotaged NS1 and NS2, it would be an act of war.

HeadSet says

If the USA sabotaged NS1 and NS2, it would be an act of war.

Nobody said the people in power were smart. They have been getting bolder and bolder thinking our military is a big enough threat to get away with whatever they want. They live in a bubble, while the rest of us will end up getting fucked and when I say us I mean people on all sides that are just trying to live our lives.

The USA did it. Motive, means, opportunity. And Biden said he would.
Might be an act of war, but many things are. It’s just a matter of if Russia calls us on it.
I doubt it. Russia is making plenty rubles selling gas to China and India.

This is just Biden “burning his ships behind him.” Ensuring that Germany and the EU can’t just make a deal with Putin and get the gas turned back on this winter.

With the current conflict, nobody is going to fix that pipeline. It’s done for a while if not for good.
The EU’s energy crisis is now inevitable.

While I don't see them mentioned at all (and I doubt they are involved), China will surely benefit.

Turn on the Nordstream gas. We are cold.

cisTits says

hahaha. Finger pointing has certainly started galore!

Not worth the risk for China. Also the USA has the best observational equipment and China could get caught doing that to an ally’s pipeline. That would be a political disaster for them. Nope, it wasn’t China.

China’s Russian gas imports jump in first 8 months, while LNG exports hit record levels amid supply diversions
China also exported a record US$164 million worth of LNG to Europe – including Spain, France and Malta – and another US$284 million worth to Japan, South Korea and Thailand in the first eight months of 2022. In contrast, Chinese exports were worth US$7 million last year.
...
Chinese energy companies have been reselling excess LNG to the international market to take advantage of the price difference between long-term contracts and elevated spot price following the Ukraine war.
...
The average LNG export price from June to August was almost two times that of the import price over the same period, according to South China Morning Post Calculations based on customs data.
...
In the first half of the year, Russian gas exports to China via pipeline grew 63.4 per cent from the same period a year earlier, said Russian gas giant Gazprom.

China living the Cheniere Energy (LNG ) dream.

cisTits says

I am just tired of Eric Holder's outright trolling. He doesn't do it on other topics. Not that I've noticed. Just when it comes to Ukrainian Nazis.

I also find it very confusing. Seriously, it feels like a kind of mind-control program that works on some people for reasons I can't explain. Can they even honestly explain it to themselves?

Putin is no worse than, say, Xi, but there is no hate for Xi among the same people. Why not?

I understand actual Eastern Europeans being afraid of Russia and therefore hating Russia, but Americans? It doesn't make sense.

One big corrupt country invaded a smaller but yet more corrupt country which was funneling money to Hunter Biden. Why do they seem to take that as a personal insult?

https://slaynews.com/news/german-government-russian-gas-pipelines-deliberately-sabotaged/

German Government Suspects Russian Gas Pipelines Were Deliberately Sabotaged

Lol, ya think?

I wonder if the Germans will turn against America and NATO when they realize that the US will literally let them starve and freeze in order to keep the war going in Ukraine.

If Russia wants to sell it's natural gas, it has to go through Ukraine and Poland now.

Patrick says

I wonder if the Germans will turn against America and NATO when they realize that the US will literally let them starve and freeze in order to keep the war going in Ukraine.

The war in Ukraine is just an excuse to starve and freeze Europeans to death. The scheme is similar to hiring Lenin (from Switzerland) and Trotsky (from NYC) to overthrow the Czar of Russia (the wealthiest monarch in the world at the time) and cause mayhem and 40+ million deaths in subsequent deliberately uneconomic regime allegedly following the writings of a Rothschild relative (Karl Marx), similar to hiring an Austrian (at least 1/4 Jewish therefore defined by himself not to be Jewish in his/national-socialist infamous Nuremburg Race Laws) to be the leader of Germany and start the most devastating war in European history so that people killed during the war and in the concentration camps would never show up at the banks to withdraw money, similar to hiring Napoleon (a Corsican Italian, speaking French with heavy Italian accent) to march a French army on Genoese and Venetian banks (with Italian armies melting away in front of it) so that the banks' books were "destroyed" and the banks never having to pay back depositors.

Ukraine, Baltic States, Poland and Romania saw enormous foreign direct investment in the past three decades and significant export earnings through their hard labor, and most of the locals have savings in foreign banks because their domestic currencies depreciated rapidly during high growth period (just like pre-WWII Germans, both more than half-Jewish Germans and less than half-Jewish Germans (frankly, after 400+ years of inter-breeding and 15+ points difference in original average IQ, it would be hard for any high achieving German not to have some Jewish blood), had vast savings in Swiss banks after German domestic currency hyperinflated a decade earlier). If Putin's army can kill them, the banks in Switzerland, UK and US don't have to pay them back. Likewise, if large number of Europeans freeze and starve to death, the banks don't have to pay them back and the promised retirement pensions / social security don't have to be paid. The clot shot is a real eye opener to how the nefarious banksters farm the general population.

Germans need to drill deep under their Ruhr coal beds for natural gas, and talk to the French and Italians about blockading Switzerland until the Swiss surrender their nefarious bankster terrorists for public trials.

It seems a NG leak that big would stink to high heaven. Surprised it has not lit.

HeadSet says

It seems a NG leak that big would stink to high heaven.

As far as I can tell odorants are not required in these larger transit pipelines. They're usually added for distribution networks that go through neighborhoods.

We are so f#$@*&. This is out of control. Who doesn’t think Biden cohorts are behind this….

keeprubbersidedown says

We are so f#$@*&. This is out of control. Who doesn’t think Biden cohorts are behind this….

Biden said it would be taken out

Patrick says

Putin is no worse than, say, Xi, but there is no hate for Xi among the same people. Why not?

Because they listen to the lying ass news media. They hate who they're told to hate.

GNL says

Patrick says

Putin is no worse than, say, Xi, but there is no hate for Xi among the same people. Why not?

Because they listen to the lying ass news media. They hate who they're told to hate.

$$$$$$$$$$$$

GNL says

Patrick says

Putin is no worse than, say, Xi, but there is no hate for Xi among the same people. Why not?

Because they listen to the lying ass news media. They hate who they're told to hate.

I am pretty sure if Xi invaded Taiwan and caused tens of thousands of deaths in a ham-fisted and embarrassing military display holding chip markets hostage causing a worldwide recession (as Russia is doing with Ukraine and energy) - there would be plenty of hate for Xi.

Question is - will the Putin defenders/excusers be Xi defenders/excusers when the time comes?

They'll blame Russia for it in order to redirect public anger away from the EU parasites for when people are freezing this winter.

socal2 says

GNL says

Patrick says

Putin is no worse than, say, Xi, but there is no hate for Xi among the same people. Why not?

Because they listen to the lying ass news media. They hate who they're told to hate.

I am pretty sure if Xi invaded Taiwan and caused tens of thousands of deaths in a ham-fisted and embarrassing military display holding chip markets hostage causing a worldwide recession (as Russia is doing with Ukraine and energy) - there would be plenty of hate for Xi.

Question is - will the Putin defenders/excusers be Xi defenders/excusers when the time comes?

Different.

Biden does not want Germany to try to make concessions for Russia.

So now Germany has to be more dependent on energy that is not from Russia. Russia does not have leverage as much over Germany.

socal2 says

GNL says

Patrick says

Putin is no worse than, say, Xi, but there is no hate for Xi among the same people. Why not?

Because they listen to the lying ass news media. They hate who they're told to hate.

I am pretty sure if Xi invaded Taiwan and caused tens of thousands of deaths in a ham-fisted and embarrassing military display holding chip markets hostage causing a worldwide recession (as Russia is doing with Ukraine and energy) - there would be plenty of hate for Xi.

Question is - will the Putin defenders/excusers be Xi defenders/excusers when the time comes?

Taiwan is a small island of no consequence to anyone in the West, this should be dealt with by countries in Asia and Oceania. It's the neighbors who must have a vested interest and drive to either resolve or fight in conflicts, th US and every country far away on the geographical map should stay away and mind their own business and problems, work on their autonomy.

mell says

Taiwan is a small island of no consequence to anyone in the West

The top three exports to the USA from Taiwan are computers, computer chips and computer parts based on dollar value.

https://ustradenumbers.com/country/taiwan/

.

Remember Belarusian Minister of Foreign Affairs Vladimir Makei stating he had secret meetings at United Nations General Assembly in New York City and that the meetings could "destroy America".

I wonder if this dealt with getting Germany and other Western European countries to make concessions to Russia in exchange for guarantee energy supply from Russia.

Biden may have attacked the pipeline because of reports that Germany was open to the proposition presented by Makei.

I just read that Makei met with Putin this week.

.

https://www.dw.com/en/biden-warns-europe-against-dependency-on-russia-for-heating-oil-and-natural-gas/a-19503334

Biden warns Europe against dependency on Russia for heating oil and natural gas
He cautioned the EU against going ahead with the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. No country should use energy as a weapon, Biden said referring to past episodes of Moscow cutting off gas supplies in winter.

socal2 says

I am pretty sure if Xi invaded Taiwan and caused tens of thousands of deaths in a ham-fisted and embarrassing military display holding chip markets hostage causing a worldwide recession (as Russia is doing with Ukraine and energy) - there would be plenty of hate for Xi.

Question is - will the Putin defenders/excusers be Xi defenders/excusers when the time comes?

@socal2 You don't seriously believe that the worldwide recession is due to Russian energy do you? Remember how the whole world was shut down for a year or two to boost the profits of Pfizer? That is the primary cause of the worldwide recession.