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Tim Aurora says

I will wait till the next election and I predict that Trump and the Republicans will be defeated. Conscientious Republicans will vote against this morphed Trump party for the sake of democracy. Hopefully the next president can reunite the US.

I hope America takes the irresponsible Democrats out to the woodshed just like Corbyn's Labour got beaten. Kept from a whiff of power for a generation.

Not the most politically aware democrat can actually tell me specifically what the President is being impeached for.

"Abuse of Power"
"What specific abuse did he commit?"
"He specifically abused his powers, Orange Man Very Bad, Very abusive of his powers."

Supposedly, it was some kind of bribe but that's not mentioned in the articles at all.

The Dems will behave just as Labour UK is behaving now - total denial, blame the public, act flabbergasted their policies and attitude was firmly rejected. They might, like some Momentum Labourites, insist the Media wasn't biased enough for them.

Shaman says

.. I was wrong!

I was right, not that it required clairvoyance just get out of the right wing echo chamber once in a while it might help predictions.

Trump did the unforgivable. He went after a very vulnerable Democrat standard bearer, and attempted to shine a light in an area all had agreed was off limits - the obvious corruption of our "leaders." How do the Dems explain Hunter Biden's mysterious talents that led to such a large payout? Or Pelosi's incredible wealth? Or Epstein's connected friends? It's a warning shot from the PTB. Remember, senators from both parties voted to confirm criminal bankster Hank Paulson. That is not an accident.

Chiromancer says

I was right, not that it required clairvoyance just get out of the right wing echo chamber once in a while it might help predictions.

Nobody, here or in Congress, can state the high crime or misdemeanor our president has committed because he is only guilty of trying to make America great. His opponents got nothing but hate.

willywonka says

Trump did the unforgivable. He went after a very vulnerable Democrat standard bearer, and attempted to shine a light in an area all had agreed was off limits - the obvious corruption of our "leaders." How do the Dems explain Hunter Biden's mysterious talents that led to such a large payout? Or Pelosi's incredible wealth? Or Epstein's connected friends? It's a warning shot from the PTB. Remember, senators from both parties voted to confirm criminal bankster Hank Paulson. That is not an accident.

It’s a desperation move...a Hail Mary.... to prevent Republican presidents 12 more years, which would lead to a 7-2 conservative majority on the SCOTUS after Ginsberg and Breyer kick the bucket.

That would likely lead to decades with a conservative majority.

Chiromancer says

Shaman says

.. I was wrong!

I was right, not that it required clairvoyance just get out of the right wing echo chamber once in a while it might help predictions.

It's not an echo chamber unless you only listen to Fox, which I don't at all. This will likely be the demise of Democrats as a US political party. I think it's unfortunate as I think competition to get the best people makes our government better. I would not be surprised at all to see them run out of money or literally go bankrupt. Yesterday was a sad day, and not for the reasons most people think.

Oh well. I guess we can at least enjoy the coming circus that won't involve the POTUS being removed and then getting another term. Warren and Sanders are fucked now too and any other Senator running. I hope to god this wasn't to push Biden through to get the nomination as well. Jesus, as I keep thinking of game plans for Dems, they all result in failure. ALL of them.

I think we are giving way to much credit to the Democrats here. This isn’t some grand scheme to win back the presidency.

The only thing this vote did was protect Pelosi and other Democrats in liberal districts from being primaried. They’ve been using TDS to whip up their base for the last 4 years and now they get to reap what they sowed. After 2018, impeachment was inevitable or Nancy and Chuck would have been out.

Now this will go to the Senate the following will happen:

1. Trump will be acquitted.
2. There will be either no trial or a very short trial.
3. Democrats will lose the house in 2020
4. Trump will remain president.

There is literally no good news for Democrats in this vote other then Nancy gets to stay Democrat minority leader and gets to keep getting paid by whoever is paying her.

WookieMan says

Warren and Sanders are fucked now too and any other Senator running. I hope to god this wasn't to push Biden through to get the nomination as well.

I’m fairly sure there won’t be a long trial in the Senate. It fucks the Democrat top tier candidates too much. Also it fucks Biden cause then we get to see Hunter plead the 5th.

If Democrats are doing anything clever it’s that they sent such crappy articles that Roberts will throw them out on day 1 and that’s probably intentional.

ignoreme says

WookieMan says

Warren and Sanders are fucked now too and any other Senator running. I hope to god this wasn't to push Biden through to get the nomination as well.

I’m fairly sure there won’t be a long trial in the Senate. It fucks the Democrat top tier candidates too much. Also it fucks Biden cause then we get to see Hunter plead the 5th.

If Democrats are doing anything clever it’s that they sent such crappy articles that Roberts will throw them out on day 1 and that’s probably intentional.

We'll see. I think Trump wants a long Senate process. I know most Republicans don't and probably for their own reasons. Everyone has been fucking around on the side and this could open a can of worms for a lot of people. Trump doesn't believe there's a legitimate candidate that can beat him and unfortunately he's probably correct. He knows there's not enough proof or support to remove him. Whether the Dems know it or not, Trump just stuck the knife in their back and I think he wants to twist it and make it more agonizing.

There's also the cash situation: https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/ Republicans literally have $100M more cash on hand and little to no debt. Trump won 2016 with substantially less cash compared to the DNC and Hillary. If his strategy is the same AND he has the cash in swing states, 2020 is going to be embarrassing. All this impeachment shit is food for his base and will likely turn a lot of independents towards him as the economy is kicking ass and taking names. Hell, they might not have to spend that much and can build a huge war chest of cash for future elections for purple districts. This is why I think the Democratic Party could literally crumble and go bankrupt.

WookieMan says

ignoreme says

WookieMan says

Warren and Sanders are fucked now too and any other Senator running. I hope to god this wasn't to push Biden through to get the nomination as well.

I’m fairly sure there won’t be a long trial in the Senate. It fucks the Democrat top tier candidates too much. Also it fucks Biden cause then we get to see Hunter plead the 5th.

If Democrats are doing anything clever it’s that they sent such crappy articles that Roberts will throw them out on day 1 and that’s probably intentional.

We'll see. I think Trump wants a long Senate process. I know most Republicans don't and probably for their own reasons. Everyone has been fucking around on the side and this could open a can of worms for a lot of people. Trump doesn't believe there's a legitimate candidate that can beat him and unfo...

I just jerked off to your post.

WookieMan says

I think Trump wants a long Senate process. I know most Republicans don't and probably for their own reasons.

I agree but he won’t get it. Republican and Democrat swamp don’t want a trial. The only way there is a trial is if they figure out some way via senate rules to not let Trump call witnesses. I don’t see why Republicans would agree to that even if they are swamp.

No, Nancy delivered on impeachment. Mission accomplished. Live to fight another day. Shaman miscalculated that Democrat leadership wouldn’t be willing to throw their party under the bus to keep personal power. He doesn’t understand these are sociopaths.

Gabbard voted "present" - I am not disappointed with her!

ignoreme says

He doesn’t understand these are sociopaths.

That idea does make their actions more understandable. It’s as if they were on a certain path to destruction with hundreds of blinking arrows and signs warning of the cliff ahead but the train conductor said everything is going perfectly and we have plenty of fuel so full steam ahead!

It’s better this way. Such people deserve to lose goddam everything.

WookieMan says

Trump doesn't believe there's a legitimate candidate that can beat him and unfortunately he's probably correct.

I wouldn't say unfortunately. He's certainly far from perfect but his track record compared to the previous losers is outstanding. I'd be looking forward to 4 more years of Trump. I'd eventually like somebody like Rand Paul in there but with a tight leash on immigration, but until Republicans or even heartland Democrats rediscover their ballz to stand up to the SJW regressive cultural-marxist leftoids like Trump did Trump is the best we can get.

Shaman says

It’s better this way. Such people deserve to lose goddam everything.

I think they just went all in holding a 2 and a 9 in their hand. It's bad.

mell says

I wouldn't say unfortunately.

The only reason I say unfortunately is because I think competition is good for everyone including Trump. The Dem field is frankly embarrassing. Regardless of where I end up voting each election, an uncontested candidate is never a good thing for all of us. Creates complacency.

IMHO Trump is literally uncontested at this point. I think he's done fine/good to date, but I don't think it's a good situation overall. And the way the Dems are imploding, we're going to end up with one party rule and a potential super majority. That scares me a little bit if I'm being honest.

WookieMan says

mell says

I wouldn't say unfortunately.

The only reason I say unfortunately is because I think competition is good for everyone including Trump. The Dem field is frankly embarrassing. Regardless of where I end up voting each election, an uncontested candidate is never a good thing for all of us. Creates complacency.

IMHO Trump is literally uncontested at this point. I think he's done fine/good to date, but I don't think it's a good situation overall. And the way the Dems are imploding, we're going to end up with one party rule and a potential super majority. That scares me a little bit if I'm being honest.

Fair point, but I def want to keep a tight leash on immigration for a while until this open borders frenzy has receded, currently many countries have changed or are changing from open borders nutjob policies to reasonable policies like they used to be and soon maybe even Dems will at least partially support those once they found out that they can't get any of their current nutjobs elected and then fire the Squad and the whole regressive cultural-marxist left that has besieged the Dem party for too long. I think we need 4 more years of Trump.

JerryR says

WookieMan says

Shaman says

It’s better this way. Such people deserve to lose goddam everything.

I think they just went all in holding a 2 and a 9 in their hand. It's bad.

I didn't see Pelosi send it to the Senate. Is she really in any rush and why can't she still gather evidence? Tell us what says she has to send it and still can't gather evidence?

The bag of shit is burning on NP's front porch. If she wants to let it burn and start the house on fire, then go for it. Lol!

WookieMan says

That scares me a little bit if I'm being honest.

The Democrats need a thorough drubbing (like Labour had last week in the UK) to shake them free of their SJW and Marxist insanity.

Hours before the Wednesday vote, Mark Rapparport said he knew what would transpire. The 56-year-old Costa Mesa real estate developer with sunglasses and a big smile got off his cellphone in Newport Beach and looked into his crystal ball.

House lawmakers, with a few exceptions, will vote along party lines and approve impeachment articles, he said. This kicks the can to the Senate, where a “BS trial” will commence, he continued. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is likely to hold a trial with no witnesses, he predicted.

So far, he’s pretty much on the mark, and he’s deeply unhappy about it.

Still, he credits Pelosi’s “amazing instincts.” He believes the process so far has been “worth it.” But he’s looking nervously to the 2020 election, worrying about how the impeachment will play out and whether voters will turn their back on a president he says is deplorable.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-19/california-trump-impeachment-reactions

Saying we're biased is fake news!

JerryR says

Did Republicans get any Independents to side with them? You do know that fewer people voted to impeach Clinton than Trump and it was delayed due to bombing in Iraq.

What's your point? Each state gets two senators. The country feels that Republicans have a better vision for the country. House districts are mainly based on population. Most normal people don't give a fuck for the policies of SF, LA, Chicago and NYC. Cool, they get the House which is half of one branch and the other two are controlled by the other party. Temper tantrum continues.

And fuck, they're going to lose the house after this. Winning I guess?

JerryR says

Did Republicans get any Independents to side with them?

What independents?

The only Independent in the House I can think of is Justin Amish, a Palestinian Hyper-Neoliberal China-outsourcer Anti-semite who won't be re-elected.

Edit: And, he was the only non-Democrat to vote to impeach Trump. He'll be selling generic silver rounds and pushing Gold IRAs by this time next year.

JerryR says

Did Republicans get any Independents to side with them?

Did the Democrats get any Republicans to switch parties during the Clinton impeachment?

NoCoupForYou says

JerryR says

Did Republicans get any Independents to side with them?

What independents?

This is a resurrection of a user that Patrick has banned in the past. I've already wasted too much time responding here and in other threads. It's too easy though to poke holes in a wet paper towel, so I go down that rabbit hole. lol.

Whenever I find myself troubled by world events, especially by the USA at war with itself, I take solace in seeking wisdom by asking:

What would Corn Pop do?

Can't stop the MAGA train. Don't try. Record low UE, no regime change wars and securing the borders. 4 more years guaranteed.

willywonka says

What would Corn Pop do?

Swing a chain, wrap it around Trump's neck, and drag him to Attica with Putin still stuck in his ass?

JerryR says

WookieMan says

And fuck, they're going to lose the house after this. Winning I guess?

When one makes so many predictions and so few turn out to be right I take those people's opinions with a grain of salt.

List 'em chief....

I mentioned in this actual thread that I thought Shaman was overly optimistic about Dems voting not to impeach. Wasn't a knock, just being realistic. I thought more would turn myself and I was wrong. What you don't understand is that it doesn't matter what the representatives do. It's what the voters do 11/2020.

There has been no victory with this. I'm not going to use buzzwords that everyone else is using. This is going to go down as the worst mistake in the history of American politics. If you're enjoying it, I don't get it. No one should enjoy what's going on.

Trump will win 2020 by a landslide. Only thing Dems can hope for is a recession. Since they hate America its probably what they're hoping for. Trump economy is on fire. Let's get more years of MAGA!

JerryR says

Hmmm, how do you know what I do or don't understand? Actually its not really about the voters. If it was then Clinton would have won. It's really about the electoral college.

Are you high? Voters determine the electoral college. I know you know this and are just trolling as you have in the past.

And yes, I do know what you don't understand. 😂

Shaman says

It’s as if they were on a certain path to destruction with hundreds of blinking arrows and signs warning of the cliff ahead but the train conductor said everything is going perfectly and we have plenty of fuel so full steam ahead!

Oh, Nancy saw this coming a long way off and didn’t want to do it. Her base forced her hand. She had to impeach or she would have been primaried. At that point a non-sociopath would have given the vulnerable dems cover to vote present and the vote would have failed like you predicted.

As a sociopath though she doesn’t care about the good of the Democrat party. What’s best politically for her and other “safe” Democrats is to get the impeachment done, even though they risk losing control of the House now, at least they won’t be primaried.

JerryR says

Have you not heard. Nancy hasn't set the silver platter down yet. Republicans throwing a temper tantrum about that too.

Have you not heard? Senate doesn't need to wait, the Constitution only requires a House Vote, no formal delivery is mentioned.

Senate trial can begin immediately.

Frankly, we need lots and lots of witnesses testifying in the Republican Senate under penalty of perjury and contempt.

Hunter Biden should be called right away.

WookieMan says

If you're enjoying it, I don't get it. No one should enjoy what's going on.

We are at peak TDS right now. Leftists living in their bubbles can’t even understand the rest of the country. They are happy about the impeachment because they think it hurt Trump somehow...

It’s not rational but I guess if you live in SF it makes sense.

I don’t listen to Trump much. His style of talking annoys me. But nobody better has been proposed yet, so I’m sticking with him for 2020. The economic fundamentals, border security, trade deals, and irritating Leftists is all wrapped up in a nice orange present. I don’t have to listen to him talk to get those benefits!

Besides, what am I gonna do, go to Biden who likes talking about kids jumping on his lap and playing with his leg hair? What the fuck! The guy is a loon and a pervert and also corrupt, as well as having a bad deal for America. I’ll stick with the POTUS I know.

JerryR says

Can you make sense of this? This sounds like a crazy homeless person talking, scary

I assure you that 1) Trump rarely if never uses a dish washer and 2)I only have to push the dishwasher button once. And the dishes come out clean.

This is the guy you support?

What part of that didn't you understand? Seems pretty clear to me. Some household anecdotes. Nothing wrong with that. DT doesn't use a tele-prompter like Obummer, so yeah it's a bit hacky sometimes. So what.