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This is more to the point. Not just OB, but his advisers as well.
when you bake this cake, it turns out to be nothing more than Damning Evidence....

CaptainShuddup says

We're being managed by an incompetent Burger joint staff.

SoftShell says

in reality, there's really no hope....

CaptainShuddup says

Did I say Coca Cola president? My apologies to Coke.

Pepsi the taste of the New Sheeple.

Tweetle?

CaptainShuddup says

mmm-hmmmm Let's talk after the Republicans takes ALL the shit back.

You mean the bad economy and all the wars?

CaptainShuddup says

Perhaps on a good day, but this isn't a good day. We're being managed by an incompetent Burger joint staff.

You seem to have a highly expansive view of the role of the federal government. To the point that the executive branch manages all local hospitals and directly controls all police precincts.

Impressive.

Not doing any about Obola leads to not only to a higher probability of uncertainty unrest.

All "lack" of activities, lack of leadership, vacuum of decisions, undermining all his government agencies, dramatically increases unrest.

Perception, Deception, which are the tools of Socialist and Marxist rhetoric are on full gas right now.

USA is on the brink of Socialism - how do we feel about this?

Is this a "Democat"?

tatupu70 says

CaptainShuddup says

NO that's not what I'm saying at all. Any other president would have been President for their experience in dealing with crisis like this.

Is this really a crisis? We had one person fly into the US that died of Ebola. Is that what constitutes a crisis these days?

The point is to prevent a crisis, not wait till it becomes a problem and deal with it after the fact. You get out of a burning building right away, not after it engulfs you.

This administration gives me the impression that they are clueless, as usual, and have no idea what they are doing or will do. Maybe they'll eventually fire another admin staff member, or blame some lower level employees... the usual Obama mess.

FortWayne says

So much for "we got it under control" mantra spread by the politicians who are afraid to admit that they have nothing under control at all.

I'm not so sure that they are afraid. Being politicians, they are conditioned to think "what's the upside for me". When they see an advantage to declaring they have nothing under control, they'll all jump on that bandwagon.

It's truly odd that only Republican politicians are calling for temporarily ban flights from few countries with epidemic, while Democrats are sitting on their ass doing nothing.

Here some average poor folks out on strike. And those are the typical Obama voters. So you can say Obama is letting down just about everyone with his inaction. He is vocal when he is running for election, he is playing golf when he isn't.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/airline-cabin-cleaners-strike-ebola-exposure-fears/story?id=26066160

CaptainShuddup says

Romney didn't lift Coke's logo, nor did Coke fashion coordinate with Mitt.

"Waaaaaah! Waaaaah! My side lost in '08 and '12 to a black guy - waaaaah!
Momeeee! My team got fewer votes in 5 of the last 6 elections! Momma I wanna take my ball and go home I don't wanna play no more! Boo hoo hoo! Boo hoo hoo!"

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-ebola-democrats-1412810709

Obama is just like Tom Cotton who voted against preparing America for pandemics like Ebola. Who voted to cut billions from our nation’s medical disaster and emergency programs. . . . Instead, Cotton voted for tax cuts for billionaires funding his campaign, rather than protecting our families.

You can say Democrats these days aren't any different from what they accused Republicans of.

FortWayne says

Obama is just like Tom Cotton who voted against preparing America for pandemics like Ebola.

Is it that we want to stop Ebola in Africa, where it's raging? Or just that we want to prevent a handful of people on American soil from dying?

So far as I can see, no American citizens who have remained on American soil has died of this disease. So don't go to Africa, problem solved for Fox News watchers. Not that very many of them have ever gotten a passport anyhow.

A kid in NC just died of influenza. In a slow year it kills about 3,000.

Call it Crazy says

Let's see... seasonal influenza has been in this country for how many decades?

An Indian lands in America, carrying Leprosy, are we all doomed? Nope.

Most cases of influenza these days seem to originate in Asia. Don't recall anyone wanting to go to RED ALERT, close borders, and start burning money during 2009 H1N1. It's funny to me how terrified "conservatives" get from their shadow, and how unhinged they get. Suddenly "fiscal conservatives" start screaming to open the wallet and how DARE you say we have to examine this for cost/benefit.

Vicente says

close borders, and start burning money during 2009 H1N1. ....open the wallet and how DARE you say we have to examine this for cost/benefit.

How is turning around everyone who visited Africa during last 21 days equals to "burning money"? The money paid to keep CBP officers on duty will be burned anyway. This common sense measure is practically free. As in no cost. Even if there is no benefit, we still lose nothing.

BenghazebolaHusseinCabronObama says

You seem to have a highly expansive view of the role of the federal government. To the point that the executive branch manages all local hospitals and directly controls all police precincts.

Impressive.

Indeed.

Vicente says

A kid in NC just died of influenza. In a slow year it kills about 3,000.

The question is, is there some way that retards can sensationalize this ?

Maybe in fWayne's world

FortWayne says

It's truly odd that only Republican politicians are calling for temporarily ban flights from few countries with epidemic, while Democrats are sitting on their ass doing nothing.

YEs, it's true. Democrats with their fancy pants *facts* and *reasoning* aren't going to panic until the scientists tell them there is the slightest reason why they should.

Although, Obama has taken plenty of action regarding Africa, likely more than Bush would have.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/16/health/obama-ebola/

More retarded right winger Ebola nonsense. Even worse than Fortwayne.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/phyllis-schlafly-obama-intentionally-bringing-ebola-make-america-more-africa

The new Nigerian con: buy a plane ticket for your Ebola infected relative to the USA, and after they die while burning up hundreds of thousands of free medical dollars, sue the hospitals and doctors for negligence combined with race card guilt tripping so the family makes a pile of scumbag legal-bucks.

It's touching the way the fourth worlders adapt so quickly to our system.

Call it Crazy says

I wonder who gets to pay his $500K bill for treatment?

If he is uninsured, you will be paying for it (we all will be pitching in to help the hospital get paid).

If he has insurance under the ACA, his insurance company will be paying the majority of the bill. Unless Obama decreed that this guy deserves a little sumpin' sumpin' to cover his bills. Obama is fickle like that.

CaptainShuddup says

NOw a deputy might have it.

I'll be so glad when we get rid of this Fountain Drink President, and get a bottle of the good stuff.

I am scheduled for surgery within the next week. Two Ounce Brains, do you happen to have Obama's phone number so that I can call and personally blame him if there are complications, if I develop an infection, or if they dress me in a gown that clashes with the color of my fingernails?

Luckily for you, you will have the opportunity to blame him for years for everything that happens in your sorry little life for many years to come.

Conservative Republicans - in this age of personal responsibility, they manage to personally blame everyone else.

FortWayne says

It's truly odd that only Republican politicians are calling for temporarily ban flights from few countries with epidemic, while Democrats are sitting on their ass doing nothing.

lol-it's because temporarily banning those flights do nothing. As Bob pointed out on another thread, I believe, the ebola patient in TX that died came from Brussels.

The Republicans are engaging in political theater and you are eating it up with both hands.

Ceffer says

The new Nigerian con: buy a plane ticket for your Ebola infected relative to the USA, and after they die while burning up hundreds of thousands of free medical dollars, sue the hospitals and doctors for negligence combined with race card guilt tripping so the family makes a pile of scumbag legal-bucks.

It's touching the way the fourth worlders adapt so quickly to our system.

Where is a nigerian going to get this ebola from? Nigeria had no trouble containing ebola, yet the right wingnuts are sure it's going to be a pandemic ( word they apparently can't understand the meaning of) in america. Perfect. You can't make this shit up.

Straw Man says

How is turning around everyone who visited Africa during last 21 days equals to "burning money"? The money paid to keep CBP officers on duty will be burned anyway. This common sense measure is practically free. As in no cost. Even if there is no benefit, we still lose nothing.

Equipping them with remote-read thermometers, gloves, gowns, masks, training time. Quarantine stations and supplies. It is an additional duty with a MEDICAL evaluation component they must be given training materials and criteria and procedures for. It will also add TIME to each person processed. So either CBP lines get longer, or more personnel are hired to keep times short. Alternatively you hire shifts of healthcare workers who are not CBP to perform this specific function.

Great you've just caught someone with a "high" temperature according to the station. Now what? They don't have a return ticket, and do you want to dump a possible Ebola case onto ANOTHER plane full of people? Probably not, so you have to have personnel able to detain and attend 1 or more persons, and a holding area to keep them. A place stocked with medical supplies and special cleaning regimens in case they are contagious.

I'm surprised I have to even outline these basics to a "fiscal conservative" who should know all about nothing comes for free.

Vicente says

Straw Man says

How is turning around everyone who visited Africa during last 21 days equals to "burning money"? The money paid to keep CBP officers on duty will be burned anyway. This common sense measure is practically free. As in no cost. Even if there is no benefit, we still lose nothing.

Equipping them with remote-read thermometers, gloves, gowns, masks, training time.

All they have to do is check stamps in traveler's passport to see if he visited Africa during last 21 days. You don't need thermometers, gloves and special training for that.

Straw Man says

All they have to do is check stamps in traveler's passport to see if he visited Africa during last 21 days. You don't need thermometers, gloves and special training for that.

Please explain how that works at "no cost".

I am an American citizen! I demand to see your supervisor and my lawyer!

Vicente says

Straw Man says

All they have to do is check stamps in traveler's passport to see if he visited Africa during last 21 days. You don't need thermometers, gloves and special training for that.

Please explain how that works at "no cost".

I am an American citizen! I demand to see your supervisor and my lawyer!

Citizens will have to be let in, of course. The measure would be aimed mainly against Africans fleeing to US for medical care, like that Liberian dude did. No cost. Most of them won't even reach our shores once airlines learn about the policy.

Call it Crazy says

Let's see... seasonal influenza has been in this country for how many decades?

Ebola has been in this country for approximately 2 weeks in Dallas...

Yep, I would say that's an Apples to Apples comparison...

Ebola is not a strain of influenza.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2014/10/09/enterovirus-d68-and-influenza-far-more-dangerous-than-ebola-in-u-s-say-top-infectious-diseases-physicians

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/05/ebola-worrying-disease

Per the above, you are afraid this is worse than being portrayed? Correct?

Deflect much?

Vicente says

So far as I can see, no American citizens who have remained on American soil has died of this disease. So don't go to Africa, problem solved for Fox News watchers. Not that very many of them have ever gotten a passport anyhow.

A kid in NC just died of influenza. In a slow year it kills about 3,000.

The point is to stop disease from spreading, isolate and eradicate.

Someone just as smart as you years ago had the same liberal cavalier attitude about aids. Didn't do what they could when time was appropriate. And look at it now, those aids came a long way from a little thing in Africa.

This liberal arrogance is what will allow eBola to become the next catastrophe, by not trying to stop it while it's early on.

Rich liberals don't care, they got their homes in places where poor can't even come near. It's us poor and middle class folk that will have to deal with these consequences of liberal hubris.

FortWayne says

The point is to stop disease from spreading, isolate and eradicate.

Someone just as smart as you years ago had the same liberal cavalier attitude about aids. Didn't do what they could when time was appropriate. And look at it now, those aids came a long way from a little thing in Africa.

This liberal arrogance is what will allow eBola to become the next catastrophe, by not trying to stop it while it's early on.

Rich liberals don't care, they got their homes in places where poor can't even come near. It's us poor and middle class folk that will have to deal with these consequences of liberal hubris.

There is a big fire burning, in the house next to yours. It's across the street. The winds are high.

Option A) rush with all means to put it out. Allow anyone willing to fight, refuge back from the flames, even if they are burnt.

Option B) let it burn to the ground and hope it doesn't hop the street.

I love how AIDS was a liberal disease. Awesome. If partisanship has gotten this bad here, one can only imagine. That's freaking bat-shit-Ebola-infected crazy.

(Edit: Whoops, forest fires burning in houses!? LOL. Analogy fixed.)

Rew says

There is a big fire burning, in the house next to yours. It's across the street. The winds are high.

Option A) rush with all means to put it out. Allow anyone willing to fight, refuge back from the flames, even if they are burnt.

Option B) let it burn to the ground and hope it doesn't hop the street.

Replace "burn victim" with "people with their clothes still on fire" and your analogy would be proper. Now, would it be smart to let people with their clothes still on fire to take refuge in your home while you help putting out fire across the street? Of course not: you first make sure they can't inadvertently ignite your home and only then offer them refuge. Because, all selfish reasons aside, fighting two house fires is at least twice as hard as fighting one.

Therefore stopping travel from Africa makes perfect sense and doesn't harm "firefighting mission" in any way. It actually helps. Because, if (god forbid) epidemic starts on our soil, the public will demand to bring every resource back to fight it here first.

I'm not sure chemical castration was FDA approved way back then...

FortWayne says

Someone just as smart as you years ago had the same liberal cavalier attitude about aids. Didn't do what they could when time was appropriate.

Straw Man says

All they have to do is check stamps in traveler's passport to see if he visited Africa during last 21 days. You don't need thermometers, gloves and special training for that.

Customs is going to check every page of every passport looking for a west africa stamp? Yea right. The cubs are going to win the world series this year too. That's just too funny.

Since we are dealing in nonsense let's go further into the absurd. What about the traveller who know about this, flies to a city outside the US, dumps his passport, and gets a replacement from the embassy. Most embassies can provide a replacement passport in a day or two.

FortWayne says

The point is to stop disease from spreading, isolate and eradicate.

Someone just as smart as you years ago had the same liberal cavalier attitude about aids.

AIDS is difficult to stop because it's so very slow, and someone can be symptom-free for years and unaware they have it and are spreading it. AIDS has also been very difficult to tamp down, because people seem to have gotten the idea "that's an 80's thing" and don't take it seriously because treatments slow it now and there's nobody laying quilts on the Mall.

Ebola is infectious while symptomatic, and if it hasn't killed you within a month or two you're probably going to be just fine.

I am not a doctor but I have kind of a hobby of studying infectious diseases. In the 80's I was that kid who could tell you the differences between Ebola and Marburg. Soviets spent BILLIONS researching weaponizing ebola family, and it never really went anywhere. This class of virus has been around for thousands of years, mutating only slowly. It's never amounted to a Spanish Flu level epidemic, must less Black Death. It's symptoms are horrific though, which gives it high shock&awe value to Americans.

Next year, you will be admitting you were wrong when the epidemic I had "cavalier attitude" about, just never happened on US soil.

You seem pretty certain, so take 100:1 odds and we'll put money on this. Hey does Vegas have any bets on this?

Vicente says

AIDS is difficult to stop because it's so very slow, and someone can be symptom-free for years and unaware they have it and are spreading it. AIDS has also been very difficult to tamp down, because people seem to have gotten the idea "that's an 80's thing" and don't take it seriously because treatments slow it now and there's nobody laying quilts on the Mall.

Everything is difficult until you do it. Putting a man on the moon wasn't easy too, until we did it. Making a smart phone was difficult too, until Steve Jobs made one.

We can get it done, we just have to put effort into it. And right now I don't see any effort from our government, I just see arrogance and hubris.

bob2356 says

Customs is going to check every page of every passport looking for a west africa stamp? Yea right. The cubs are going to win the world series this year too. That's just too funny.

So argument "this costs too much" has morphed into "CBP officers won't do their job anyway"? Too funny.

bob2356 says

Since we are dealing in nonsense let's go further into the absurd. What about the traveller who know about this, flies to a city outside the US, dumps his passport, and gets a replacement from the embassy. Most embassies can provide a replacement passport in a day or two.

Couple of creative cunts going to great lengths like the far-fetched schema you described won't make much difference. It just won't happen in big enough numbers. For obvious reasons. Besides, adding simple "no passports issued less than 21 days ago" rule also costs nothing. Next?

Straw Man says

bob2356 says

Customs is going to check every page of every passport looking for a west africa stamp? Yea right. The cubs are going to win the world series this year too. That's just too funny.

So argument "this costs too much" has morphed into "CBP officers won't do their job anyway"? Too funny.

The argument hasn't morphed into anything. It won't work and it doesn't matter. It won't work because the volume of customs entries every single day makes it impossible to check for west africa stamps in everyones passport. It won't matter because no matter how much hysteria is thrown up people in west africa aren't hopping planes to get their ebola infected asses to america. How many people living in the slums and rural area's where the outbreak mostly is actually have a passport, visa, and the financial means to do that? Get a grip.

Call it Crazy says

Not only that, but the government started screening at airports here today, so they have everything covered:

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Oops, I think they missed a few....

What an idiot map from the article. Gee look at all those flights from Monrovia to America. Except there no direct flights from the US to west africa. The closest direct flight is to Nigeria. You remember Nigeria where they had no trouble containing ebola after a few cases don't you? Every flight from west africa to the US is a transfer somewhere else.

Why don't you bother posting the source of your crap. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-holes-in-the-us-ebola-screening-strategy-2014-10-10. The scanning is 94%. Not perfect, but very good. No one ever said everything was covered. To get the extra 6% would require every intercontinental airport in the country to have screening. That's just not possible, there are hundreds. By the time you got thousands of people in place and working the epidemic will very likely be over.

BTW the head of the CDC disagrees with you about stopping flights, But what would he know about infectious diseases? He's not an expert like you. From the New Yorker article last week:

In response, Frieden explained that such measures would make it harder to send aid workers into those places because of the difficulty of bringing them home afterward. “They’re not going to be able to come out if they go in,” he said. “And because of that, it will enable the disease to spread more widely there and ultimately potentially spread more to other countries in Africa and become more of a risk to us here, so that the best way to protect ourselves is not to try to seal off these countries but to provide the kind of services that are needed so that the disease is contained there and to identify anyone who may come out.” There may be situations in which the U.S. could benefit from keeping out of other countries’ affairs; this, public-health officials seem to agree, is not one of them.

TX healthcare worker who treated Ebola victim who died , tests positive for Ebola.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/texas-healthcare-worker-treated-ebola-death-man-test-100518969.html#sUpWQo8

Looks like healthcare worker was wearing protective gear.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/health-worker-contracted-ebola-wore-134118850.html