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Why do ppl promote the lie, 'Money Doesn't Bring Happiness' ?


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2014 Feb 6, 10:51pm   99,395 views  266 comments

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There are numerous commentators who tout the nonsense of Money not buying happiness ...

http://iusedtohavehair.com/2014/01/20/money-doesnt-bring-happiness

http://www.studymode.com/essays/Money-Doesn%27t-Bring-Happiness-1622884.html

http://www.forbes.com/2004/09/21/cx_mh_0921happiness.html

I will say one thing ... Corporate America, meaning engaging them, working for them, etc, will definitely NOT buy happiness. Corporate America sucks!

But money, by itself, can most definitely lead to happiness, if you're judicious about how you allocate your resources and know how to enjoy your free time.

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217   Peter P   2014 Sep 2, 3:59am  

Rin says

Reality says

Porsche

The Porsche does the same thing as my Accord, it gets me from point A to point B. The Accord is paid off and requires less than $1K per year of scheduled maintenance.

Luxury cars tend to have more standard safety features and meaningful engine power.

Accord is a safe, fine car, but I find Honda's engines tend to lack low-end torque. It may have 300 HP, but you may have to rev it up a bit. I like to drive in the low rpm range even at highway speed.

I hope they will make an affordable sedan with a 5000 lb curb weight and a 600 lb/ft engine. Fuel efficiency does not matter.

218   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 4:27am  

Reality says

At least upgrade that Accord to a new TLX

Will do, after another 20K miles. But as you can probably guess, I don't care much for vehicles, aside from their utilitarian purposes.

Reality says

Rin, why do you waste time and money on the women at all if you are not even interested in their poon or reproductivity?

First of all, I'm a heterosexual male. As someone here said, "I bo*nk, therefore I am." I do not believe in the concept that those who aspire to conduct R&D, must be sexless drones.

For me, those relationships a.k.a so-called meaningful associations full of lies and half-truths ended a few years ago. After dating Alanis Morrisette, I was done.

Reality says

2. Unprotected sex with an exclusive partner.

At most, this person will be a '5' or a '6'. There is no way a '7' or an '8' is going with me without the Porsche, the country club membership, and all the other trappings of a young executive. And then, she'll be a high maintenance b*tch. This job has already driven me insane. Why do you think I'm on PatNet?

I don't want to have to deal with that high maint horseshit, after work on a regular basis.

219   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 4:29am  

New Renter says

Sounds like the same arguments many have made to you of marriage vs esc*orts.

The Accord is low maint, women are not.

220   Reality   2014 Sep 2, 4:37am  

4000lbs, 300hp, SH-AWD, dynamic cruise control with automatic following/braking and lane keeping during the 4-5 hours drive on I-91 to Montreal. I see Rin spending $40 - 60k on an Acura TLX or MDX (the latter has the best crash results among any car not requiring a commercial driver's license) before the year is over.

Edit: just saw your "will do" after posting. Haha. Engineering minds think alike.

221   Peter P   2014 Sep 2, 4:40am  

I test drove a ZDX. It had 300 HP but it felt a bit slow.

Does the TLX have memory steering? It certainly looks like a very good car.

222   Reality   2014 Sep 2, 4:45am  

ZDX did not have the new direct ignition engine. The new direct ignition engine delivers much more lower end torque than previous Honda engines. I just bought a new MDX with SH-AWD. It drives like a sports car despite being an SUV. In fact turns faster than my previous BMW 5 series sedan without dynamic torque distribution. The X6 with dynamic torque distribution similarly equipped would cost close to $100k.

223   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 4:52am  

Reality says

Not being timed. A full weekend with one of your providers would probably cost much more.

Actually, I'd spent a weekend with one in Malaysia. No, that wasn't the Tia Carrerre look-a-like.

Here's the closest photo on the net, which bears a resemblance ...

Still, she's quite attractive despite not looking like an actress.

The point is that around the globe, where the dollar takes you further, getting temporary low maintenance arrangements is very doable. I know an account manager in Saigon/Ho Chi Minh city, who's got himself a full time translator/maid/lover esc*rt over there. I don't see him coming back to the UK anytime soon :-)

224   Reality   2014 Sep 2, 4:55am  

Rin,

I was not asking why you spend money and time on providers abroad, but why money and time on women with whom you are not planning on having sex or baby.

With more shacking abroad and "I don't give a shit, my way or highway," on top of your career success, you will soon be pulling 7 ' s and 8's.

225   Reality   2014 Sep 2, 4:59am  

Yes, that guy in Saigon is enjoying a lease, not paying for a time share or by the hour rental. Not only is she exclusive for him, I bet he could tell her to secure a 3 some for him if he wants to. Don't be afraid of woman. Just because women picked meat heads over you in college doesn't mean you are still at the lower rung now. Men's value increase over time if you make something of yourself.

226   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 5:00am  

Reality says

but why money and time on women with whom you are not planning on having sex or baby.

Are you talking about my platonic female acquaintances in New England/New York?

If so, then isn't that obvious? Can you take a male friend to a candlelit dinner and have a dance? Even the gay guys living in Boston's South End wouldn't do that in public, outside of Provincetown.

227   Reality   2014 Sep 2, 5:02am  

Why taking anyone to candlelight dinner or dance if you don't want to plough her? Why waste your time?

228   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 5:04am  

Reality says

Yes, that guy in Saigon

Come on, we all know that the British and American ex-pats in Southeast Asia are cleaning house with the ladies. That isn't news.

The thing is that on our continent, we have women with borderline and histrionic personality disorders, esp once they hit their late 20s, if they didn't have it earlier.

229   HydroCabron   2014 Sep 2, 5:04am  

I don't say a word to anyone unless there's a chance of at least a BJ.

My days are pretty quiet.

Seriously, if a woman is handicapped, you know it's not going to happen, so just ignore her.

230   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 5:06am  

Reality says

Why taking anyone to candlelight dinner or dance if you don't want to plough her? Why waste your time?

That's the whole point, I enjoy the food, the atmosphere, the music, etc. That's the difference between being a book smart nerd and a worldly person.

But as for the bo*nk, I'd rather do that Geena Davis look-a-like up in Canada, but then, never have to deal with her again, esp if she's whacked in the head.

So you see, two halves of a coin, I get the general experience of living well and having a great bo*nk without the headaches and weirdness which follow.

231   Reality   2014 Sep 2, 5:06am  

Duh, obviously don't waste any time with any women past the late 20's, unless she has a meal ticket from you for having born a child for you.

232   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 5:09am  

Reality says

Duh, obviously don't waste any time with any women past the late 20's, unless she has a meal ticket from you for having born a child for you.

Yes, but she'll develop Alanis Morrisette-itis, on the way to that age of 29. It's a continuous, not a discrete function. The good women worth dating, are gone and married during or slightly after college.

233   Ceffer   2014 Sep 2, 5:10am  

Just because women wake up beside you after a date and a night of hard bonking, raging and regretting the insulting rape of their bodies, and demanding palimony, sexual harassment lawsuits, and perpetual mad, cringing guilt, doesn't mean they are bad people.

234   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 5:11am  

Ceffer says

Just because women wake up beside you after a date and a night of hard bonking, raging and regretting the insulting rape of their bodies, and demanding palimony, sexual harassment lawsuits, and perpetual mad, cringing guilt, doesn't mean they are bad people.

Thanks for this keen insight.

235   New Renter   2014 Sep 2, 9:13am  

Rin says

I do not believe in the concept that those who aspire to conduct R&D, must be sexless drones.

There's a reason some people are in R&D...

236   Reality   2014 Sep 2, 9:57am  

Exactly. In a eusocial society, some are worker bees, some are reproductive bees.

237   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 10:40am  

New Renter says

Rin says

I do not believe in the concept that those who aspire to conduct R&D, must be sexless drones.

There's a reason some people are in R&D...

I'm looking at Tony Starks instead ...

or his father, Howard Hughes (the real Howard Starks) ...

238   New Renter   2014 Sep 2, 10:45am  

Reality says

Exactly. In a eusocial society, some are worker bees, some are reproductive bees.

Oh they still have a choice. The two people I showed above might well be a happy couple with lots of kids.

As to what those kids look like I've seen plenty of examples of goofy looking offspring of uberhottie parents (assuming no straying) and some damn fine looking kids from seriously goofy looking parents.

Phenotypes are funny things.

239   New Renter   2014 Sep 2, 10:55am  

Rin says

I'm looking at Tony Starks instead ...

What, no Elon Musk?

240   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 11:01am  

New Renter says

Rin says

I'm looking at Tony Starks instead ...

What, no Elon Musk?

Nah, another Larry Ellison type, big talker who thinks that he's clairvoyant.

But to give Larry some credit, he did envision the whole online streaming world, over 20 years ago. It's just that Oracle's platform mix wasn't what made it happen.

241   Reality   2014 Sep 2, 12:21pm  

Rin,
Howard Hughes was married 2 or 3 times in his life. The last one lasted nearly a decade and half after dating the girl for a decade. The divorce resulted in the equivalent of about $2mil per year in alimony payment to her (70,000 per year in 1971 dollars)

242   Rin   2014 Sep 2, 12:52pm  

Reality says

The divorce resulted in the equivalent of about $2mil per year in alimony payment to her (70,000 per year in 1971 dollars)

Well, Howie's a mega-billionaire (over $25 billion in today's dollars?) so what's a few million, here and there, for him.

So I guess keeping a call girl or Sugar Baby, in let's say Singapore or Rio, would be a lot cheaper.

243   New Renter   2014 Sep 3, 12:34am  

As early as the 1930s, Hughes displayed signs of mental illness, primarily obsessive-compulsive disorder. Close friends reported that he was obsessed with the size of peas, one of his favorite foods, and used a spCD. He also had terrible pains in his later years due to injuries sustained in several plane crashes through his life:

As early as the 1930s, Hughes displayed signs of mental illness, primarily obsessive-compulecial fork to sort them by size.

...In 1947, after his near-fatal aircraft crash in 1946, Hughes told his aides that he wanted to screen some movies at a film studio near his home. He stayed in the studio's darkened screening room for more than four months, never leaving. He ate only chocolate bars and chicken and drank only milk, later urinating in the empty bottles and containers. He was surrounded by dozens of Kleenex boxes that he continuously stacked and re-arranged. He wrote detailed memos to his aides giving them explicit instructions not to look at him nor speak to him unless spoken to. Throughout this period, Hughes sat fixated in his chair, often naked, continually watching movies. When he finally emerged in the spring of 1948, his hygiene was terrible, he had not bathed nor cut his hair and nails for weeks although this may have been due to allodynia.[28]...

...Hughes insisted on using tissues to pick up objects, so that he could insulate himself from germs. He would also notice dust, stains or other imperfections on people's clothes and demand that they take care of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes

How much of his engineering success was due to his extreme "attention to detail"?

244   Rin   2014 Sep 3, 12:40am  

New Renter says

He also had terrible pains in his later years due to injuries sustained in several plane crashes through his life

New Renter says

Hughes displayed signs of mental illness

Hey, this is familiar, I'm developing signs of mental illness, as a result of working in financial services.

Ppl are either born a game show host or not. I think when a former STEM person goes into BS artistry, part of him starts to discombobulate.

245   New Renter   2014 Sep 3, 1:17am  

Rin says

New Renter says

He also had terrible pains in his later years due to injuries sustained in several plane crashes through his life

New Renter says

Hughes displayed signs of mental illness

Hey, this is familiar, I'm developing signs of mental illness, as a result of working in financial services.

Ppl are either born a game show host or not. I think when a former STEM person goes into BS artistry, part of him starts to discombobulate.

That would explain most professors and CEO's

246   New Renter   2014 Sep 3, 2:01am  

Peter P says

I test drove a ZDX. It had 300 HP but it felt a bit slow.

Does the TLX have memory steering? It certainly looks like a very good car.

300 HP is"a bit slow". Peter P says

Luxury cars tend to have more standard safety features and meaningful engine power.

Jesus you guys are funny!

300 HP (same rating as a WWII Panzer TANK!) isn't enough? Standard safety ratings on even the cheapest econobox that make a 1970's Oldsmobile look like a deathtrap isn't enough?

Yes AWD is a fine idea but no, you don't need it.

http://bringatrailer.com/2010/06/05/finnish-fantastic-1963-volvo-p1800-rally-car/

Real men get by with 100HP or less, live rear axle, and skinny tires.

247   Peter P   2014 Sep 3, 2:14am  

I don't care too much about horsepower but low-end torque is very important. I need good acceleration in the 30-70 mph range for the comfort factor.

Safety features like adaptive xenon headlights, auto-braking, blind spot monitor, and all-around cameras should be standard by now.

248   Peter P   2014 Sep 3, 2:14am  

Besides, you cannot beat the law of physics. The safest car is still one with the heft.

249   New Renter   2014 Sep 3, 2:40am  

Peter P says

I don't care too much about horsepower but low-end torque is very important. I need good acceleration in the 30-70 mph range for the comfort factor.

Fine, get a diesel. Or an electric.

Or a diesel-electric if and when they become available:

...it possesses supreme torque when a 2.4-liter diesel kicks in, with an additional 215 hp and 324 lb-ft of torque joining the 70 hp and 148 lb-ft already on tap, courtesy of the electric motor mounted between its rear wheels.

http://www.cartalk.com/blogs/jamie-lincoln-kitman/volvo-v60-diesel-hybrid-%E2%80%9Cit%E2%80%9D-car-isn%E2%80%99t

Overkill? Yes, but its a start.

Peter P says

Besides, you cannot beat the law of physics. The safest car is still one with the heft.

If that's all you care about, get a Hummer. Fuck everyone else on the road - your life is more important than of a Civic driver!

Heft also works aganst your ability to manuver and brake, you know, those things that keep you out of the collision in the first place.

Harsh? yes, but the arms race of bigger cars make everyone else LESS safe, not more.

Peter P says

I don't care too much about horsepower but low-end torque is very important. I need good acceleration in the 30-70 mph range for the comfort factor.

Safety features like adaptive xenon headlights, auto-braking, blind spot monitor, and all-around cameras should be standard by now.

Once self driving cars become common none of this will matter anyway. All the car will need is enough power to hit 80MPH with the A/C cranked, e.g. a 0.8L 50-40HP turbodiesel-electric drivetrain.

250   Rin   2014 Sep 3, 2:47am  

New Renter says

Hughes displayed signs of mental illness

Rin says

Hey, this is familiar, I'm developing signs of mental illness, as a result of working in financial services.

Ppl are either born a game show host or not. I think when a former STEM person goes into BS artistry, part of him starts to discombobulate.

New Renter says

That would explain most professors and CEO's

Aside from posting on PatNet & eating well, the only other relief that I get during the day, is to recall a pair of b**bs, smothering my face while listening to Metallica's "Fade to Black".

http://www.youtube.com/embed/WEQnzs8wl6E

251   Shaman   2014 Sep 3, 3:23am  

Finding and marrying a good woman is a singular achievement after a certain age. It takes time and persistence to sort through the dross of average or below average females. Here are some things on my list of must-haves:
1)intelligence: this is an inheritable quality, and I wanted smart kids. Also dumb or even average int women bored me outside the bedroom.
2)educated: if she's not, she will rely on you for a meal ticket for life.
3)motivated/self driven: lazy women need not apply. This is also an inheritable quality, and I didn't want lazy or unmotivated children.
4)moral: overly selfish or malicious women are a pox on mankind. I wanted someone who'd be reliable, tell the truth, and make correct choices.
5)sense of humor intact: without this, the rest of those qualities make their personality too brittle to sustain the hard knocks life will dish out.
6) athletic: caring for ones health and body is a basic tenet of mental health. Who wants to be with the woman who gets married and lets herself go?
7)at least pretty. Beauty is also often inherited. And I like pretty girls.

I guess I got lucky. We've been married now almost ten years, and she's way better than just pretty.

252   Peter P   2014 Sep 3, 4:45am  

New Renter says

Once self driving cars become common none of this will matter anyway. All the car will need is enough power to hit 80MPH with the A/C cranked, e.g. a 0.8L 50-40HP turbodiesel-electric drivetrain.

Can't wait for self-driving cars. I hate driving.

BTW, with automation, cars can form trains, which should help overcoming aerodynamic resistance. We may see speeds faster than 80 mph.

Perhaps each unit can even draw electricity from some third-rail along selected trunk routes.

253   Peter P   2014 Sep 3, 4:52am  

Quigley says

1)intelligence: this is an inheritable quality, and I wanted smart kids. Also dumb or even average int women bored me outside the bedroom.

2)educated: if she's not, she will rely on you for a meal ticket for life.

3)motivated/self driven: lazy women need not apply. This is also an inheritable quality, and I didn't want lazy or unmotivated children.

4)moral: overly selfish or malicious women are a pox on mankind. I wanted someone who'd be reliable, tell the truth, and make correct choices.

5)sense of humor intact: without this, the rest of those qualities make their personality too brittle to sustain the hard knocks life will dish out.

6) athletic: caring for ones health and body is a basic tenet of mental health. Who wants to be with the woman who gets married and lets herself go?

7)at least pretty. Beauty is also often inherited. And I like pretty girls.

1. Intelligence is an arbitrary measure designed by "intelligent" people to make themselves feel better. Wisdom is more desirable.

2. Over-educated people are unbearable. A good balance of knowledge and epistemic humility is important.

3. Motivation is a good thing to have. I agree.

4. Morality is an arbitrary measure designed by "moral" people to make themselves feel better. A good understanding of meta-ethics is more useful.

5. A good sense of humor is the best quality a woman can possess. It is a true sign of "intelligence."

6. Health and fitness? Of course. When the future self-driving car has only 40 hp, a fat ass will render the primary mode of transportation useless.

7. Yes, an eye-candy is better than an eye-sore. :-)

254   Rin   2014 Sep 3, 8:05am  

Quigley says

We've been married now almost ten years, and she's way better than just pretty.

Sounds like you were married at a young age and for many guys, that's about all the time one has to find a decent spouse.

255   New Renter   2014 Sep 3, 8:11am  

Peter P says

New Renter says

Once self driving cars become common none of this will matter anyway. All the car will need is enough power to hit 80MPH with the A/C cranked, e.g. a 0.8L 50-40HP turbodiesel-electric drivetrain.

Can't wait for self-driving cars. I hate driving.

BTW, with automation, cars can form trains, which should help overcoming aerodynamic resistance. We may see speeds faster than 80 mph.

I chose 80 MPH somewhat arbitrarily but yes faster is better if it can be done safely.

(I hate driving too, at least the commuting kind)

Peter P says

Perhaps each unit can even draw electricity from some third-rail along selected trunk routes.

Like this?

256   New Renter   2014 Sep 3, 8:19am  

When the future self-driving car has only 40 hp, a fat ass will render the primary mode of transportation useless.

The original self driver gets along with just ONE horsepower, fat ass and all:

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