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Heard he was a huge threat.

The posts I saw reprinted in one publication did not contain any death threats whatsoever, only a promise to the FBI that he would be armed if they came to his house, which isn't a threat either, just a declaration of self defense capability.

Gestapo. They went in to kill him and they did. Obama killed his cook, NADA.

This is by far the best article that I've found. He did make some threats, but as the article points out, he was old, overweight, and immobile to the point that he would drive his car to go someplace 200 yards away. It's obviously fantasy given his physical state. Clear violation of his 1st Amendment rights, and completely unjustified murder.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2023/8/9/23826196/fbi-shooting-provo-utah-one-dead

FAFO?

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FBI went in there knowing the temperament of this man.

Could this outcome have been easily avoided or did the FBI "provoke" this outcome ?

Seems like they could have figured out another way to diffuse the circumstance without it ending in a shooting.

Why is the FBI's modus operandi to always show up in very early morning with "shock troops" or SWAT mentality ?

The FBI employed same tactics with Mark Houck who was acquitted.

Seems like the FBI prefers heavy-handed tactics against easy political targets like these, but you never read or hear about the FBI doing this to violent gangs or organizations like Mexican mafia/cartels or MS-13.

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ad says

FBI went in there knowing the temperament of this man.

Exactly.

I would like to kill Biden and Obama, so is the FBI going to break down my door?

If I had a magic button to kill 1. Hillary 2. Biden 3. Obama and a few others, I would press it in one second.

My satisfaction will be to see Biden in a chair drooling someday.

clambo says

My satisfaction will be to see Biden in a chair drooling someday.

Already happening.

clambo says

My satisfaction will be to see Biden in a chair drooling someday.

Biden is going to suffer the same fate as far as obscurity just like LBJ a few years after LBJ left office. The Left will have no use for Biden or his legacy.

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clambo says

I would like to kill Biden and Obama, so is the FBI going to break down my door?

If I had a magic button to kill 1. Hillary 2. Biden 3. Obama and a few others, I would press it in one second.

My satisfaction will be to see Biden in a chair drooling someday.

Pointless to kill these assholes. They are all cutouts.

If I had ultimate power, I would waterboard them to find out who their controllers are, then I would waterboard them. I mean, it's not torture right? That's what the US government claims.

richwicks says

I would waterboard them

How do you waterboard someone? What exactly is the procedure?

HeadSet says

richwicks says

I would waterboard them

How do you waterboard someone? What exactly is the procedure?

I thought it was something along the lines of pouring water over their face somehow for minutes repeatedly so it's difficult to breath, but you still can barely. I could be completely wrong and am too lazy to look it up nor do I want to.

Unless it's a job you HAVE to do and it pays well, but feels like torture, think oil rig worker or something similar. Anything that harms the human body or mental state should be outlawed unless it's voluntary.

The other thing is you don't have to like a politicians role or actions. That's okay. It's not okay to threaten someone, even online. Talk about what you don't like about the person and convince people. Was the guy an actual threat, hell no. FBI likely mishandled the situation, so I'm not on their side at all. But every action can cause a reaction or whatever the phrase is. The guy messed up. So did the FBI.

And yes, Trump was threatened too and generally nothing happened or at least was reported. You just don't threaten someone's life online or in person. You can't undo it. It's not worth it regardless of your dislike or hate. Never ends well as we see here.

WookieMan says

I thought it was something along the lines of pouring water over their face somehow for minutes repeatedly so it's difficult to breath

I was exposed to waterboarding as part of POW training, and I was curious as to what members of the public thought waterboarding actually is. I glad you gave your opinion without looking it up. Since you pride yourself in not falling for propaganda, let me say that you need to beware here and ignore all the hype in the news where they spoke of waterboarding as if it were a torture on the level of electric shocks, beatings, or ropes. Waterboarding is not fun, but I rather be waterboarded than shot on the battlefield, given days of sleep deprivation, or locked in solitary for a week. Torture of all sorts is part of war, so if you are against torture, support politicians who avoid war.

In my opinion, forcing kids to mask up was a serious mental torture that instilled fear needlessly and deprived those kids of social and linguistic development. Permanent damage.

HeadSet says

In my opinion, forcing kids to mask up was a serious mental torture that instilled fear needlessly and deprived those kids of social and linguistic development. Permanent damage

Yes, but it mostly happened to Libtard families. Elsewhere, it was defied after about two months.

So the Left that doesn't have enough kids already damaged what little of their next generation that they do have.

most americans don’t give a shit as long as they can be dumb fat and happy with amazon delivery.

HeadSet says

I was exposed to waterboarding as part of POW training, and I was curious as to what members of the public thought waterboarding actually is. I glad you gave your opinion without looking it up.

As I understand it (if I do), there's a piece of cloth tied around the face and water is poured over the face, causing the victim to inhale water, and they can even drown as a result. Torture isn't useful, it doesn't produce any useful results. If you're tortured you'll just start confessing to anything just to make it stop. Cops will sometimes question a suspect for 12 hours, taking turns, this is torture, and the victim will begin to confess just so it stops, so they can go home - the real solution is stop cooperating, and really, never cooperate with a cop, what you say will ONLY be used against you, never for you.

HeadSet says

In my opinion, forcing kids to mask up was a serious mental torture that instilled fear needlessly and deprived those kids of social and linguistic development. Permanent damage.

Agree but people who comply with the government ARE the problem. Those are the dangerous people, and at this point, I don't care if these damaging people harm their own kids. I don't care if they sexually transition them, make them gay, addict them to television, or drugs. Whatever.

richwicks says

Torture isn't useful, it doesn't produce any useful results

Unfortunately, that is not true. Torture combined with other interrogation methods produces excellent results.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

Torture isn't useful, it doesn't produce any useful results

Unfortunately, that is not true. Torture combined with other interrogation methods produces excellent results.

Give me an example. I've never seen it.

In Argentina what happened is a person would be pulled for interrogation during their little Fascist phase. You know what happened? Well, they wanted a name, you were implicated in something, who is it? They'd give a name of somebody that didn't care about, but knew the name of, so generally, a neighbor.

richwicks says

Give me an example.

If torture did not work, we would not have ever had slaves or Stockholm Syndrome.

richwicks says

They'd give a name of somebody that didn't care about, but knew the name of, so generally, a neighbor.

That would not work on a trained interrogator. One always mixes in a few questions you already know the answers to, and there are other ways to detect lies. In fact, we were trained never to lie to an interrogator, but to try and stall instead. If you want a historical example, look to Mussolini when he destroyed the mafia in Sicily. His men used some vicious torture methods to get people with that code of Omerta to rat out each other. Unfortunately, the US Military reinstated the mafia for their help with intel during the Allied invasion of Sicily.

HeadSet says

If torture did not work, we would not have ever had slaves or Stockholm Syndrome.

Torture doesn't work to get accurate information. It can be used to break a person.HeadSet says

That would not work on a trained interrogator. One always mixes in a few questions you already know the answers to, and there are other ways to detect lies.

You might be right, I have never experienced torture. The problem is that they don't want information, they want a confession. We didn't get any useful information from Guantanamo because the vast majority of people there, were innocent. They had nothing to give up. They were people deemed to be a problem, there was a incentive to "turn them in".

HeadSet says

In fact, we were trained never to lie to an interrogator, but to try and stall instead. If you want a historical example, look to Mussolini when he destroyed the mafia in Sicily. His men used some vicious torture methods to get people with that code of Omerta to rat out each other. Unfortunately, the US Military reinstated the mafia for their help with intel during the Allied invasion of Sicily.

Well, if I can trust the history.

The fact is that I know is that the CIA has said it's useless. Doesn't matter, our country uses torture, they're not going to stop using torture methods, and we do have ways of very accurately detecting lies now. AIs have been programmed to look for micro expressions. We could use this technology for the betterment of our nation, but we won't.

richwicks says

The problem is that they don't want information, they want a confession.

Yeah, no different than when Winston confessed to state crimes at the end of 1984.

Its a way to control the masses through hysteria and intimidation.

Think about the fear of being turned in and made a prisoner of conscience. Its happening all over, the soft version of the Chicoms social credit score system is here in the USA with cancel culture and woke militancy.

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