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Anyone care to offer a rebuttal?
Except NS2 never worked but Germany was surviving just fine.
Norway doesn't have enough natural gas to supply Germany. Poland, Finland, and the Baltics secured their supply.
At this point it's the only workable hypothesis.
Bd6r says
For Russia, I don't see profit here unless they have gone completely stupid and batshit crazy, which can not be excluded.
At this point it's the only workable hypothesis. Nothing of the shit they do since Feb 2014 makes much sense from pragmatic interests POV and it's getting more and more batshit with every passing day.
Bd6r says
Pipeline was blown up a day after Norwegians opened a nat gas pipeline to Poland, at which point Poland and neighboring E. European countries don't need Russian gas any more (screamers EUROPE WILL FREEZE THIS WINTER! take note).
Anyone care to offer a rebuttal?
Patrick says
Except NS2 never worked but Germany was surviving just fine. Who creates this shit? 3rd graders in Chelyabinsk?
a food supply crisis in the United States and Europe is becoming evidence as assholes in each nation close down farms and are trying to convince us to eat bugs.
@Bd6r Who is that guy?
So combining storage and the new Norway-Poland pipeline (that can deliver in all of 2023) result in enough natural gas for 2-3 months of electricity generation for Germany. Where is the gas for the other 9-10 months going to come from? That's for electricity generation alone, not counting winter heating use of natural gas. That's for Germany alone, not counting Poland and Baltic states.
Where did you get that Poland and Baltics will share this gas with Germany? It covers most of their gas needs, no reason to make Germans happy. Let'em eat green energy.
Since “Joe Biden” flat-out promised last February to “bring an end to the Nord Stream pipeline” — and let’s assume he meant both NS 1 and 2 — why seek further to unravel a fake mystery? Is our apparitional “president” not a man of his word? Of course, the machinery behind “Joe Biden” so far denies any credit for the consequential act, but who in this land is unaware that the US government’s default setting these days for answering anything is to lie.
The purpose of the act was likewise simple, plain, and obvious: to foreclose any possibility of Germany negotiating a separate peace with Russia around the financial and economic sanctions imposed by the USA over the Ukraine operation. Don’t you suppose it was clear to any German with half a brain that NATO’s joining of the sanctions was nothing less than a one-way ticket to Palookaville for Euroland? That it would mean goodbye to its advanced manufacturing economy and then goodbye to a comfortable, modern, standard of living?
Not many weeks ago German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock told the world that Germany would support Ukraine (and US-driven NATO policy) “no matter what German voters think.” That was all for show, you understand, to maintain the flimsy pretense that NATO had any actual stake in whatever happens in Ukraine — as the result of the dumpster fire set there by America. At the same time, that very same German foreign ministry was sneaking through back channels to feel out the Russian foreign ministry on ways Germany might get Russian natgas on the down-low, through third parties, say, Turkey, buying time until the glorious day those Nord Stream pipelines might re-open and the former normality of German economic life would resume?
“Joe Biden” slammed the door on that pretty conclusively Monday, blowing up the two pipelines, a premier act of insanity by a US government fueled at every level and in every direction by psychotic strategic thinking. For starters, consider that the Nord Stream sabotage amounts to the leading member of NATO committing an act-of-war against the rest of NATO. What else do you call depriving most of Europe the means to make a living — or merely to stay alive?
As it happens, Germany is in no position to answer this casus belli by going to war against the USA. Germany has a Potemkin military — America has made sure of that since 1945, the last time these Teutons of northern forests went batshit crazy against Western Civ. Seems to me that either Chancellor Olaf Scholz acknowledges this deadly affront to Germany and negates further participation in the NATO Ukraine idiocy, OR, within a few months he will face violent political uprising from his own people and his government will fall — and not necessarily within the framework of any orderly parliamentary procedure. More like mobs in the streets… chaos… government buildings torched… officials strung-up — real insurrection, not the fake kind we hear about endlessly from the American Party of Chaos. ...
“Joe Biden” and his regime of Satanic degenerates will just have to lump it. They will have lost Europe’s loyalty by the foolish Nord Stream caper. They will have enough trouble on their hands at home with America’s collapsing economy and all the ill-feeling they have generated with the Woke insults, persecutions, and punishments inflicted on half the population — not to mention the coming dire repercussions of the wicked Covid “vaccine” scam. In the meantime, “Joe Biden’s” Party of Chaos faces the wrath of American voters in the midterm election. And if, perchance, they take the majestically stupid step of cancelling, postponing or somehow messing with that election, they will face the wrath of the voters from the ground beneath the hanging tree.
“Joe Biden” and his regime of Satanic degenerates will just have to lump it.
Too bad there are more people concerned with assigning blame than what this could mean for Europeans this winter.
2030, you'll freeze your ass off, and you'll be happy!
Europe had a goal to have gas storage at 80% by Oct 1 in order to be safe until March. As of yesterday they are at 88.2%. And Norway just opened a new pipeline. Nobody will be freezing in Europe anytime soon. Maybe except some dumb fucks like Hungarians who made themselves even more dependent on Ruscist gas than stupid cunts in Germany. Nah, not even them will freeze - they are at 77%.
Europe had a goal to have gas storage at 80% by Oct 1 in order to be safe until March. As of yesterday they are at 88.2%. And Norway just opened a new pipeline. Nobody will be freezing in Europe anytime soon. Maybe except some dumb fucks like Hungarians who made themselves even more dependent on Ruscist gas than stupid cunts in Germany. Nah, not even them will freeze - they are at 77%.
Problem of being 'self sufficient' and moving off grid is they will find you eventually, anyway if conceded the absolute central power that they crave.
The capacity is off by 9 fold. Frankly, even Poland and Baltic states with their nearly 50 million population, need more natural gas than the Norway-Poland pipe can deliver.
Problem of being 'self sufficient' and moving off grid is they will find you eventually, anyway if conceded the absolute central power that they crave. Unless you are willing to huddle with Bigfoot, it will only be a temporary way of buying time to attempt to consolidate against the boot.
The entire Norway-Poland pipeline is scheduled to deliver 6.5 billion cubic meters of natural gas in 2023
And just for comparison LNG tankers average 150,000 cubic meters in capacity, which is enough gas to supply some 42,000 U.S. homes for a year. Pipelines are capital intensive (upfront) but you can see why they are desirable. I believe they usually require guarantees for 10 years for investors to be comfortable that they will be able to turn a profit.
Butinge LNG terminal was feeding LNG to Baltics and PL already after Russian pipeline shutdown. I am not sure what is its capacity, and I am not sure how much LNG Baltics + Poland will need, but they will not freeze this winter since they have planned for this eventuality. However, it is clear that their heating cost will be up in hundreds of percent.
And the gas prices are skyrocketing here. We are currently paying 180EUR per month for electricity and gas combined, but our provider wants to raise it to 400EUR per month! My colleague at the office is now paying 693EUR, while her usual was 336EUR. Hopefully, this war in Ukraine will resolve soon and things will go back to normal. People in Europe are kind of depressed about this since we just came out of a pandemic a few months ago…
People in Europe are kind of depressed about this since we just came out of a pandemic a few months ago…
If average LNG tanker only carries 150,000 cubic meters of natural gas, that means filling the Norwegian terminal with 6.5 billion cubic meters will require 43,333 tanker-loads. Distance from Halifax to Norway is about 3000 miles, and those tankers likely travel at 15-20 knots, meaning a round trip taking 3 weeks.
I hear burning WEF and Globalist apparatchiks make excellent fuel for warmth, albeit a bit stinky.
I believe Norway itself produces shitloads of Nat gas (4th in world after Russia, Qatar, US), why does it need to be shipped to there from Halifax?
The flows from Norway along with supplies via liquefied gas terminals are central to Poland's plan. The country was cut off from Russian gas supplies in April, allegedly for refusing to pay in roubles.
Felix Eick, Welt Reporter, on Why Dismantling Nord Stream Means Cutting Putin's "Arteries of Power"
Back in August, before the Nord Stream attacks, it was possible even for dim Green journalists to see that destroying the pipelines would be to Russia's disadvantage. ...
Two months ago, even arrant fools like Felix Eick could see that destroying Nord Stream would hurt Russia. Now that somebody has actually destroyed Nord Stream (or the better part of it), we have to read harebrained theory upon harebrained theory about why Russia is actually responsible and how the end of these pipelines confers an overwrought twelve-dimensional chess advantage to Putin or helps Gazprom escape hypothetical lawsuits or permits Russia to escape sanctions.
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Blasts detected near Nord Stream pipelines amid leak – Swedish seismologists
Scientists in Denmark and Sweden registered underwater explosions near the Nord Stream pipelines on Monday, when several major leaks were reported. Sabotage is now suspected as a key reason for the damage.
“There is no doubt that these were explosions,” seismologist Bjorn Lund with Sweden’s National Seismology Centre (SNSN) told public broadcaster SVT on Tuesday.
The Danish military released aerial footage of the leaks, showing large spots and visible bubbling in the water. Nord Stream 1 suffered two leaks northeast of the Danish island of Bornholm, while Nord Stream 2 was damaged south of Dueodde, a beach located at the island’s southernmost tip, the military noted.
Earlier in the day, Moscow said it has been looking into the reasons behind the leaks, suggesting the pipelines were targeted in an act of sabotage. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that currently “no option can be ruled out” on the causes of the incident.
The Nord Stream 1 pipeline was completed in 2011. Construction work on Nord Stream 2 began in 2018, and suffered numerous delays due to political pressure and sanctions from the US. The pipeline was finished and pressurized in September 2021, but never actually got online.
Two days before the start of Russia’s military operation in Ukraine, the German government put its certification on indefinite hold, and has repeatedly rejected any suggestions, both domestic and from Moscow, to open the pipeline.
https://www.rt.com/russia/563614-explosions-detected-near-nordstream/