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2022 Jul 11, 5:28pm   27,269 views  322 comments

by GreaterNYCDude   follow (2)  

I've been thinking about this off and on lately, and there's been some recent threads related to the topic, so I figure I'll set up a separate thread.

Until the 16th ammendment was passed in the early 1900's, we got by without fedetal income taxes. Tariffs did the trick. Of course, we were not yet the superpower we became, huge millitary and all, and there were not nearly the federally funded social programs we have today.

Frankly, I don't think your average American realizes how heavily they are taxed. Federal. State (with some excaptions) Property. School. Gas. Sales. Etc.

For most in the middle and upper middle class, federal income tax is the biggest share of taxes paid on a percentage basis.

In a modern captalist economy, it makes more sense to me to tax consumption rather than income.

So why not abolish the federal income tax, and instead have a federal tax on goods and services rendered. Better yet, couple it with a balanced budget amment so that the government can't spend money they don't have.

Taxing goods should be straightforward to implement. Buy a bag of rice, clothes, a house, a car, stock, etc. tax it at a nominal rate to raise sufficent revenue to keep the government running. Tax should apply to individuals and corporations alike. I have no idea what the rate would need to be to replace the lost income income revenue, but there must be a way for the been counters to figure that out.

Same holds for services. From your lawyer to your plumber to your accountant.. services rendered should also be taxed... possibly at a different rate than physical goods, since we are a "service based economy".

Just thinking out loud here.. In the 21st century there MUST be a better way to raise revenue than income tax and the various loopholes used to reduce or even avoid ones tax burden.

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299   HeadSet   2025 Jun 23, 1:43pm  

Patrick says

Whoever agrees to pay the highest land value tax should get to own the land the next time it is sold.

This sounds like the government owns all land, auctions off leaseholds, then reclaims the land when the leaseholder ends the lease, only to then auction the leasehold again. The country becomes one massive trailer park owned by government.

What happens when I get a leasehold on vacant land and build an expensive building on it? When I decide to sell, will I have an issue where I will get very little for my building because the buyers decide to compete by bidding only on land tax?
305   RC2006   2025 Aug 19, 11:49am  

Patrick says






Matches perfectly to where most of the third world parasites infestation are.
309   clambo   2025 Aug 27, 5:52pm  

If they're not going to tax social security, they then can't continue to make COLA raises to social security payments.
310   HeadSet   2025 Aug 27, 6:14pm  

clambo says

If they're not going to tax social security, they then can't continue to make COLA raises to social security payments.

Oh yeah? Watch.
311   Patrick   2025 Aug 27, 7:01pm  

RC2006 says

Matches perfectly to where most of the third world parasites infestation are.


Good point.

Where there is no public money to support the invaders, there are no invaders.
315   HeadSet   2025 Oct 20, 7:22pm  

The_Deplorable says





True, even when government funds through borrowing there is the tax on future generations plus the inflation tax on folks today.
318   Ceffer   2025 Dec 13, 11:20am  

The IRS is operated by Dominicans under aegis of the Vatican and incorporated in Puerto Rico (Spanish Inquisition Law). Now, why would they do that?



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320   Patrick   2025 Dec 18, 9:02pm  

It is fair and appropriate to tax land. No one created the land, so no one should profit from mere ownership of it forever.

All the buildings should be completely tax-free though.
321   HeadSet   2025 Dec 19, 6:52pm  

Patrick says

It is fair and appropriate to tax land.

We already have that with the land part of our real estate property tax.

Patrick says

No one created the land

Our ancestors who had to clear a dense forest to build a homestead and plant crops may disagree with you. Same with those who had to level hills, do some irrigation, or drain a swamp. Zealand folks actually reclaimed land from the sea.
322   Patrick   2025 Dec 20, 2:01pm  

Yes, land is taxed, and that's good, but the buildings and improvements should not be taxed at all.

Clearing a forest is not creating land. It's improving land, and that productive work should not be taxed at all.

The Dutch are just about the only people really creating land, and that's very rare. It's productive work, so that increase in land value from work should not be taxed either.

The big goal here is to end all taxes on productive work, but instead to tax only non-productive sponging off of productive people. Collecting land rents from mere land ownership is a good example of non-productive sponging.

Rents on buildings are perfectly fair though, and should be completely untaxed. Construction and maintenance of buildings is productive work.

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