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the most crucial questions about Ukraine are "What was Burisma paying Hunter for?" and "What is up with Vice President Biden extorting the Ukrainians by withholding aid if they did not fire that investigator?".
Russia never claimed it was going to 'conquer' Ukraine, a false statement that is parroted over and over. It was a 'military operation' with distinct limited goals.
The meeting with the compatriots in the center of Kharkov is apparently postponed until the next war. For Russia, the current one will presumably end soon with some kind of agreement. Will they be peaceful? No, they will not. Only formally, like Minsk-2. Is it fatal?
I think things will become fairly moot after Russia obtains Odessa and that thin strip of Russians along the Moldovan-Ukraine border. What is left of Ukraine, whether partitioned further or not with a section going to Poland, without control over any Black Sea port, will be so poor and neutered that they won't have a lot of options. It won't be necessary to 'conquer' Kiev, they will make deals to survive.
Putin recently told the Ukraine military to overthrow El Zel and negotiate the peace. It seems El Zel is living on borrowed time. Hope he has his go bag with several currencies, passports with aliases, and bag of diamonds to cut fuck with. Florida or South America? I vote South America if he makes it.
I just think the most reliable information that can be generally believed points to Russia succeeding in its Donbas and Black Sea strategies.
Ceffer saysI just think the most reliable information that can be generally believed points to Russia succeeding in its Donbas and Black Sea strategies.
From what I understand and hear, they thought that Ukr will collapse in a few days and that people will rise up and destroy Ze govt. They were going to occupy Kiev - if not, what was the point of costly taking the Gostomel airport? Failed and scaled down the plans.
WRT Nazis, Russians have similar numbers of them. You might want to search on internets for leader of Wagner mercenaries group (owned by chef of Putin)
They way they were talking a week or so ago, it was like the Russians were out of juice and if we kept arming Ukraine, they might even push the Russians almost all the way back.
Russia was prepared for a war of attrition, not a blitz. He states Ukraine was extremely fortified and dug in all along the nominal fronts in Donbas,
heard years ago from Michael Rivero that the stated plan of Russia was to fight a war of attrition in Ukraine against the United States, realizing it was a proxy war.
richwicks saysheard years ago from Michael Rivero that the stated plan of Russia was to fight a war of attrition in Ukraine against the United States, realizing it was a proxy war.
Agreed, but for some reason, perhaps one of 2 reasons I listed in OP this strategy was over with the start of large scale invasion. The original situation in feeding Donbass rebels with instructors and arms and denying everything was perhaps a win win for Russia as in we dont do anything it is them but it saps Ukraine strength.
Putin was extremely pro-western when he came to power (a while ago)
Dude, if Ukraine still exists as a nation depends on a decision by Russia at the end of this. I suspect they will be allowed to exist, but under a very severe thumb.
Stop thinking of Putin as a fucking genius - may be he was, but not any more. He is a leader of a failed criminal syndicate.
Bidet Regime is part of a *successful criminal syndicate*.
PeopleUnited saysBidet Regime is part of a *successful criminal syndicate*.
Will not be succesful for long any more methinks
Bidet is no defender of Christian values either.
utterly unclear why the US has not sanctioned the export of high-tech electronic and optical systems to Russia
I don't see why either. Why hasn't the US sanctioned the export of high-tech electronic and optical systems to Russia?
But the US has imposed sanctions on Russia which have hurt other US industries. So exempting Raytheon and Boeing would be inconsistent.
That is contrary to facts. They tried to finish it in 3 days and failed.
Now they fail to move even in Donbass substantially. They needed years and years to squash Chechnya, and somehow now Ukraine goes according to their plans? Stop thinking of Putin as a fucking genius - may be he was, but not any more. He is a leader of a failed criminal syndicate.
But the US has imposed sanctions on Russia which have hurt other US industries. So exempting Raytheon and Boeing would be inconsistent.
When did Russia ever say this? When did Russia EVER talk about their war plans?
The US - the land of the king hypocrite.
Well when’s the last white people you can remember that we bombed?
richwicks saysWhen did Russia ever say this? When did Russia EVER talk about their war plans?
Try reading Russian internets in Russian, they are illuminating. I gave a link on patnet showing that they did talk about occupation of major cities. I would not trust media in English about this.
richwicks saysThe US - the land of the king hypocrite.
Every gubbermint in the world
Don't point to a fucking haystack and tell me to look for a needle. If you don't have a link, fuck off. I don't consider you trustworthy or honest. I don't waste any time dismissing your bullshit.
I gave a quote on this thread, dont be lazy and find it or fuck off yourself.
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1. Many Patnetters think that because Ukraine is supported by Bidet and the rest of WEF types, it must mean that Ukrainians must be WEF/Bidet supporters. Please remember Afghanistan in 1980's...this is the best analogy. Tell people that help you what they want to hear to get what you want from them. Note gay marriage is illegal in Ukraine etc.
2. One issue that I am struggling with is why Putin attacked Ukraine at time which was most suitable for our ruling class (this took heat away from Bidet and his Euro counterparts from inflation and horribly mismanaged artificial pLandemic). I have few possible explanations and I will list them in order of decreasing probability.
A. Putin is in cahoots with WEF crowd. Ukrainians and Russians suffer in this battle of pawns. He was asked to attack at this particular time.
B. Putin has lost his abilities of cold calculation that he had all these years. Either age or cancer.
C. Coincidence - but those are almost nonexistent.
3. About judging what the hell happens on ground in Ukraine. Dont listen to ghosts of Kiyiv or Zerohedge (which BTW is a CNN of the East aka filial of RT). Look at https://nitter.mstdn.social/oryxspioenkop and see where and what losses are listed for each side. Captured or abandoned equipment means that the other side is advancing in that region. Read also https://nitter.mstdn.social/newkc14 which is Chechen Al Nusra - they dont lie although they favor Ukrainians. News such as "ghost of Kiyiv downed 35 Russian planes" or "Ukrainians desert and surrender en masse" are clickbait for idiots.
4. It is clear that Russian goals (assuming the idea was to defeat Ukraine and not distract Western popular opinion from covid and transfer $$$ to Rayethon) were not achieved. You can see for yourself how did it go for them. From destroying Nazi govt and not letting it join NATO it has morphed to "liberating" a few districts and withdrawing from swaths of central Ukraine with thousands dead. Incidentally, Russia will get a new 1000 mile border with NATO in Finland 150 miles from its biggest city St Petersburg. This is not WINNING!!! and Putin the great has crapped his own pants.
5. It is clear that war in Ukraine is not a US war. Let Europe help Ukraine and sell arms to them. It is also clear that Scholz and his W. European counterparts are typical soy persons, contrary to Poles and the rest of East Europeans (we need to discuss if aggression has to be met by physical force -quote by soyScholtz). Perhaps Poland has to occupy half of Germany. I am sure they could do it rather bloodlessly.
6. Russian atrocities. While we cant believe much if what Ukr or NYT say, Russian track record in Chechnya where they killed a fifth of population means that this is likely happening in Ukraine as well. If/when Ukrainians get into Russia, it will be the same - this is Eastern Europe with specific habits.
7. How will this end. Either this will be a festering conflict for years where one side moves 5 miles here and other side moves 10 miles there, or one of the sides will have an internal collapse/revolution.
8. Opinion of persons who dont speak Russian/ukrainian and are not familiar with the region but feel important enough to analyze situation is quite funny, esp after they show lack of simple knowledge about geography, habits, and populations of the region...
9. I hope Ukrainians win, for 2 major reasons: Russia attacked them twice so they deserve their ass being kicked, and if Ukr win, I suspect NATO in Europe will collapse...this is chatter I hear from E Europe.