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They caught it because it is so easily spread.

Asking yourself when you will have it is more logical than asking if or how.

Luckily there’s a vaccine.

ohomen171 says

She has no idea how the family got it. All were taking all precautions.

So the precautions don't work is what you're saying? Interesting that we thought we could control a virus. Lol. So shutting everything down is pointless. Every person I know that's had it was mask wearing and generally staying home/working from home. I know of a few people based on symptoms it's impossible they got it outside the house as they didn't even leave the house for weeks. Basically they somehow got Covid staying home. Pretty weird.

Also, there's no "great" television "journalist" either. All of them are liars. Some unknowingly, but most know they're lying and don't care.

Your immune system isn’t 100% either, but I wouldn’t say it doesn’t work. Nose hairs “work”. Masks “work”. Washing your hands “works”. It’s a virus that is good at spreading.

CL says

Masks “work”

No they don't, or more precisely the science is not settled.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

Would be nice if all "follow the science" mask crowd would provide a peer-reviewed, clinical study showing that masks work. And no, bureaucrats saying that "masks work" does not qualify.

And BTW a really fat, old (ca. 70) friend of mine got corona. He is still quite alive and said it was approximately like medium severe flu. So just because "some narcissist on TV got corona" we should not panic and freak out.

Dbr6 says

CL says

Masks “work”

No they don't, or more precisely the science is not settled.

Not only is it not settled, it seems to have made this situation worse. Ever since widespread mask mandates, our numbers have crept up and now are going ape shit. Mind you these are cases and everyone basically survives besides the few unhealthy/old. Asian cultures (lying China removed) where mask wearing is normal are still getting beaten up with Covid.

It's math and data. Deaths, cases and hospitalizations are available to the average person now. We put on masks and the cases spike. There's either a conspiracy theory behind this or masks don't work. There's really no other resolution to what is currently happening.

"Great television journalists" should hang from fucking lampposts.

How do you know they actually had it?

I certainly always wish people good health, but this really isn't important to notate every person who gets the flu, when so many can no longer afford basic living expenses because they're out of work due to the lockdowns.

So, do nose hairs work? They allow so much air around them it’s hard to believe they do.

And I bet they increase your inhalation of carbon dioxide.

The point being, how can something that reduces the burden on your first lines of defense not help, even if by diffusion?

And what do you make of the real world examples of counties with and sans mandates, like in Kansas?

CL says

So, do nose hairs work? They allow so much air around them it’s hard to believe they do.

And I bet they increase your inhalation of carbon dioxide.

The point being, how can something that reduces the burden on your first lines of defense not help, even if by diffusion?

And what do you make of the real world examples of counties with and sans mandates, like in Kansas?

It's a virus. It's not going away. The vaccine won't be 100% effective. I'll wear a mask, but absolutely can't physically stand it. It's beyond an inconvenience, but I guess I'm easily manipulated or shamed. If I'm personally sick (haven't been), I stay home. If the virus presents itself as asymptomatic I want those people walking around and spreading that version.

The discussion about mask or no mask is kind of moot at this point. Cases are sky rocketing while most people wear them in public. There's no observable evidence they're working. Go to an airport and half the people are wearing a mask AND plastic face shield and it still spreads. Yet somehow all the mask wearers are getting Covid. The loosey goosey types like me don't. I've had well over 500 different face to face, no mask interactions since this started spreading.

Put this way, I'll trust my gut and anecdotal evidence over what we're being told. Everyone I know that has gotten it is an avid mask wearer and/or shamer. Yet they still get it. As I've said before the numbers have ramped up big time lately and I'm above 20 people I personally know that have/had it. Not friends of friends or relatives, but people I know and hang with. Masks are not working. Most that I know didn't even know and maybe thought they had a sinus infection and the loss of taste/smell. Ooooooo, scary.

I'm convinced it's a surface/touch virus mainly. I'm taller so it's easier, but any non-automatic door I open by reaching up to the top and push open. I don't use the handle or bar. If it's a knob that I have to turn or pull handle, I use a paper towel. And then still hit up the hand sanitizer after (fucking hands are dry as fuck because of this). My neck gaiter is super secure once I have it on so I'm not constantly touching my face, which is likely the biggest problem with masks.

I'm sure I'll also get it. I cannot hide in the basement for months. Humans are social creatures and the outcome is even worse if people just hide. But at least it's an option I suppose.

CL says

The point being, how can something that reduces the burden on your first lines of defense not help, even if by diffusion?

wut

Dbr6 says

CL says

The point being, how can something that reduces the burden on your first lines of defense not help, even if by diffusion?

wut

Lol. I gotta learn to stop writing novels. That was my original thought.

CL says

The point being, how can something that reduces the burden on your first lines of defense not help, even if by diffusion?

Masks might work just like this if you use disposables and toss them in the trash after each use. I use disposables, no more than a couple hours each before I toss them.

The problem comes with people’s boutique little masks they wear every goddam day and wash once in a while. Those things are like wearing a virus factory around your face. Everything that they filter is caught and then recycled through your nasal cavities over and over. This makes your immune system work even harder. Rather than a whiff of virus your T cells could fight off, it’s a constant assault of accumulated virus dripping into your lungs. And the one thing we know about Covid is that the more viral load you’re exposed to, the worse the case of the Rona you contract.

So masks CAN work, but not the way people are using them, which is literally making shit much worse.

ohomen171 says

#stephanieruhl/covid-19 Stephanie Ruhl hosts a morning show on MSNBC. She is also their business specialist. She "dropped out of sight" for two weeks. She reemerged this morning. She, her husband, and her three children all were sick at home with Covid-19. She has no idea how the family got it. All were taking all precautions.

It's unlikely they had it at all. Remember all the high profile people that SUPPOSEDLY had this? Tom Hanks was supposedly infected, but it's doubtful he was. Same with Freddo Cuomo, he never had it at all. I believe you've seen a PR stunt and there are no journalists in the United States today. Just a bunch of cowards and propagandists.

Soap opera talking head emoticons for staged agitprop scripts is the new qualification for journalism. Make the teleprompter convincing, babe!

Ceffer says

Soap opera talking head emoticons for staged agitprop scripts is the new qualification for journalism. Make the teleprompter convincing, babe!

"New?" Been that way for a while.

Oh no, my hairs on fire!!!!!

WookieMan says

If it's a knob that I have to turn or pull handle, I use a paper towel. And then still hit up the hand sanitizer

Also useful is to train yourself to NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE WHILE OUT IN PUBLIC.
(Masks are counter productive in this pursuit which the Evil Elf Fauci acknowledged back in March)
Bugs have to be transmitted to a mucus membrane.

Cough with a mask on and with a mask off... I guarantee you will spread droplets further with a mask offShaman says

The problem comes with people’s boutique little masks they wear every goddam day and wash once in a while. Those things are like wearing a virus factory around your face. Everything that they filter is caught and then recycled through your nasal cavities over and over. This makes your immune system work even harder. Rather than a whiff of virus your T cells could fight off, it’s a constant assault of accumulated virus dripping into your lungs. And the one thing we know about Covid is that the more viral load you’re exposed to, the worse the case of the Rona you contract.

What kinda science is that... the virus doesn’t live in a cloth mask for long. Most likely you are breathing in a dead virus... which is introducing yourself to the virus is a good way.

If masks were really bad... every grocery store and food worker would be dead by now or be getting sick from masks everyday. They have been mandated to wear masks for 8 months, 8 hours a day.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Cough with a mask on and with a mask off... I guarantee you will spread droplets further with a mask off

BoomAndBustCycle says

the virus doesn’t live in a cloth mask for long

can you back any of this up with a reference to a clinical study?

BoomAndBustCycle says

What kinda science is that... the virus doesn’t live in a cloth mask for long. Most likely you are breathing in a dead virus... which is introducing yourself to the virus is a good way.

What are you trying to say here? If you spit the virus into your mask, you already have it, so moot point. If someone coughs near you and particles get on your mask and you then adjust mask it's now on your hands, fact, etc. What's not to understand here? Everyone basically wears a mask indoors, in public at this point. Can you please explain the science behind a massive spike in cases now versus when we were unmasked in April and May while some major gatherings were still occurring early on?

That's right, not one mask proponent has ever answered that question when I've asked it here and elsewhere. The data suggests the masks don't work. They may be making it worse if you just intake the raw data and look at it. It's not just testing anymore either. As mask mandates have become the "new normal" and people comply, cases are surging bigly. This is undeniable. When the virus hit the only major change has been masks. None the first 3 months and the following months mask mandates and slowly increasing cases. No one can explain that.

BoomAndBustCycle says

masks were really bad... every grocery store and food worker would be dead by now or be getting sick from masks everyday.

They all got sick back in March and April. They’re immune.
I think you have no idea how science works.

BoomAndBustCycle says

If masks were really bad... every grocery store and food worker would be dead by now or be getting sick from masks everyday. They have been mandated to wear masks for 8 months, 8 hours a day.

Torture!

All day long they are fiddling with their masks. They wear them on their chin during breaks. Often their noses are poking over the top of their cloth mask. Between shifts they hang the mask from their rear view just waiting to be worn for another shift.

Essential workers are being abused.

SO, why aren't "essential workers" dropping like flies?

No one is coughing or sneezing into their masks. Thats just gross. When was the last ti.e any of you coughed or sneezed into your mask?

Shaman says

I think you have no idea how science works.

note that mask advocates have failed to present a single clinical study showing that masks work. Follow the science, they said...

Here is some honest-to-God SCIENCE from the CDC on masks vis a vis (get it?) influenza:
“Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids. There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.” 
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article?fbclid=IwAR1wgGi1n82n8eGLEFTIbzV3atyHqop9DqK-rhx7itJ0SY3eZm5erwTZw6g

From the New England Journal of Medicine:
“We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

The global media fell all over themselves to bury or discredit the recent DANMASK-19 study which showed much the same thing.
Somebody wants us all in these fucking dirty muzzles for some other reason.

There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

“We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection.

Which is why Dr Fauci initially said masks were of no use to prevent the spread of Covid, and for the public to refrain from acquiring masks and possibly diverting the mask supply from hospitals that had an actual use for masks. Then the politics kicked in......