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Why were we so ill prepared?

By GreaterNYCDude follow GreaterNYCDude   2020 Mar 22, 7:37am 528 views   32 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


I realize certain things we cannot control... but it amazes me that we have so few hospital beds per person in this country, particularly in major metro areas.

Also why were we not ramping up production of key supplies like facemasks, gloves, sanitizer, etc. in advance? This hit China about 3 weeks ahead of us.

Or better yet why not have a strategic reserve stashed away somewhere. Its not like the supplies go bad.

Anyhow I'm just venting. If these lockdowns persist for more than two months we'll all likely see civil disobedience and social unrest. This just isn't normal.

Humans have always been social beings. Skype or Facetime or what have you is all well and good but it's still not the same as real face to face contact. Having that ripped away for "the greater good" is the hardest part.

If we has more supplies, more beds, a better plan then we wouldn't have to social distance to flatten this curve. We'd live normally, let this ramp up exponentially, peak then regress and forge on. Pandemic would burn itself out in weeks rather than stretching out this quasi isolation (state supported with help from the media) for months.

Just my two cents. Stay safe, be well fellow Patnetters.
1   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2020 Mar 22, 7:39am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

There are strategic supplies, they are using them. They just don’t have 300 million of each.

We are fine as a nation. We will be fine.
2   covid_shmovid   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 22, 9:02am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

GreaterNYCDude says
If we has more supplies, more beds, a better plan then we wouldn't have to social distance to flatten this curve.


Prohibitively expensive. Nobody can have "enough beds" for an infection growing at the rates this Chink shit is growing when left unchecked. So there is no way around quarantines and social distancing measures.
3   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 22, 9:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NYC lost tens of thousands of hospital beds as 10 or more hospitals closed because they were bankrupt.

The treatment of anyone who walks in caused this.

Medical treatment of illegals who won’t pay and don’t buy insurance is another reason.
4   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 22, 10:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

GreaterNYCDude says
why were we not ramping up production of key supplies like facemasks

It should occur to you that multiplying the production of things like facemasks by a factor 1000, or 10,000 requires not just local adjustments of the supply chain, like adding shifts, it requires structural long term decisions like building new factories, this at all levels of the bill of material.
This cannot be done in 3 weeks or 3 months.
5   Booger   ignore (7)   2020 Mar 22, 10:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

GreaterNYCDude says
If we has more supplies, more beds


The beds can be cots on school gyms vor tents if necessary. No reason to otherwise maintain huge empty hospitals, just in case. In so far as supplies, we would have to start making stuff in USA again.
6   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 22, 10:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Heraclitusstudent says
strategic long term decisions like building new factories,


Yes, and they should all be built in America, by law. Fuck the "global supply chain" that puts Americans out of work so that CEOs can have bigger bonuses.
8   HEYYOU   ignore (50)   2020 Mar 22, 11:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Fortwaynemobile says
We are fine as a nation. We will be fine.


How many RepCons will die in the next month?
Whatever that number might be is "fine".

Patrick says

Yes, and they should all be built in America, by law. Fuck the "global supply chain" that puts Americans out of work so that CEOs can have bigger bonuses.


How many COMMUNIST CHINA/global exports do you own? Are you boycotting products that have any foreign labor,parts or basic physical resources in their production?
...

I may have to post this every time a fucking RepCon opens their mouths.

"Words Related to hypocrisy

deceit, deceitfulness, deception, deceptiveness, dishonesty, double-dealing, falsity, perfidy, two-facedness

affectation, affectedness, pretense (or pretence), pretension, pretentiousness, sanctimoniousness, self-righteousness, self-satisfaction

duplicity, fakery, falseness, fraudulentness, shamming

artificiality, glibness, oiliness, smoothness, unctuousness"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/hypocrisy

Why did they leave out RepCon scummyness?
9   theoakman   ignore (0)   2020 Mar 22, 11:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I watched a few foreign videos on the outbreak. One from the prime minister of Singapore last month and a recent one from an immunologist in Australia.

Basically, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan have been waiting for this ever since SARS. Not just from a government standpoint but from a populace standpoint. The second the outbreak occurred, people in these areas were wearing masks which was symbolic of the fact that people there were practicing social distancing and isolation before a major problem was even allowed to occur.

Also, the prime minister of Singapore was calling it Wuhan Pneumonia. He must be racist against Chinese.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhVhIVX_xk0
10   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 22, 12:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HEYYOU says
How many COMMUNIST CHINA/global exports do you own?


Lots, because US executives ELIMINATED ALL OTHER POSSIBILITIES by producing at much lower cost in China, which has no worker rights, no pollution controls, and spreads disease globally.

Republicans were always the party of business, and Democrats were supposed to represent workers. But Democrats were corrupted from the inside and told their sheep:

1. Workers rights? Fuck that shit. We can effectively have slavery back just by outsourcing to China and bringing in tens of millions of illegals to mop up the few shit jobs left. But don't talk about this.

2. Yes, this is going to destroy US manufacturing and put the whole middle of the country out of work, but you know what? That's OK, because we can just call them RACIST and feel better about killing them.

We used to have a balance of parties, but now that the Democrats have been sucking Wall Street cock for a few decades, we have only globalism.
11   OccasionalCortex   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 23, 7:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The real question should be: "Why should ANYONE hold the expectation that the government can deliver on anything competently except a few core responsibilities?"
12   marcus   ignore (14)   2020 Mar 23, 8:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

GreaterNYCDude says
Why were we so ill prepared?


Stupidity ?

Arrogance ?

Too much anti-science attitude, and belief in stupid conspiracy theories about the "deep state."

Those are the first things that come to mind for me.
13   marcus   ignore (14)   2020 Mar 23, 8:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says


Apparently the dirty PC commie SJWS were already in control of the narrative too, becasue they were already calling it the Coronavirus.
14   marcus   ignore (14)   2020 Mar 23, 8:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Heraclitusstudent says
This cannot be done in 3 weeks or 3 months.


In the future we will invest long term in preparedness as Korea must have done.

Perhaps when we turned down the offer of help from the W.H.O. they had more supplies to share for Korea and others ?

GreaterNYCDude says
This hit China about 3 weeks ahead of us.


Closer to three months
15   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (52)   2020 Mar 23, 9:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Obama planned to use CV to murder tens of millions of AMERICA!ns.
16   WookieMan   ignore (4)   2020 Mar 23, 9:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Perhaps when we turned down the offer of help from the W.H.O. they had more supplies to share for Korea and others ?

What the fuck?


https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/fact-sheet/the-u-s-government-and-the-world-health-organization/
Why in the flying fuck should we have to go to the WHO for anything? They should be handing this stuff out to us for free.... oh sorry, giving us our money back.
17   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (52)   2020 Mar 23, 9:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Why in the flying fuck should we have to go to the WHO for anything? They should be handing this stuff out to us for free.... oh sorry, giving us our money back.



Because WHO member laboratories were weeks ahead of the CDC.

https://apnews.com/c335958b1f8f6a37b19b421bc7759722

On New Year’s Eve, Chinese scientists informed the World Health Organization about a cluster of 27 pneumonia cases of unknown cause in the industrial megalopolis of Wuhan that they linked to the city’s wholesale fish market. Less than two weeks later, the Chinese had sequenced the virus’ genetic makeup and shared it with the world.

Within days, German scientists had developed a test that could identify a unique part of the virus’ DNA. The WHO quickly adopted the German test, publishing technical guidelines on Jan. 17 and working with private companies to produce testing kits.

As they have done with some past outbreaks, officials at the CDC headquarters in Atlanta decided to develop their own test, focusing on three gene targets distinct from what the WHO used. Over the decades, the headquarters lab had built a track record of being among the first to develop tests for new diseases and quickly making them available for disease tracking.
18   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (52)   2020 Mar 23, 9:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Background: It sounds exotic but this kind of sequence isolation is routine and most any well resourced WHO affiliated national laboratory could have completed these runs competently. There was no reason to mistrust the Chinese and German work. The annual flu vaccine is the result of reporting and strain isolation by scores and scores of regional laboratories. Collaborations of the sort that should have delivered the WHO's kits to the US are SOP. It's just the way things are supposed to work.
19   WookieMan   ignore (4)   2020 Mar 23, 9:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
Because WHO member laboratories were weeks ahead of the CDC.

And we fund both. That's the point. Given our funding I find it hard to believe we'd just ignore any recommendations. There's other shit at play here.
20   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (52)   2020 Mar 23, 10:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
I find it hard to believe we'd just ignore any recommendations.


Oh, you can bet the lab managers pointed to an established protocol of running our own sequences in other virus outbreaks - and by that measure nothing untoward was done.

However, management is about knowing the moment the usually useful rules are dysfunctional and direct artisans to put them aside for the requirement at hand - which was about speed of execution in deploying a reliable test kit for this strain.

This is why ministries like CDC and NIH need seasoned, reasonable executives of long tenure and deep experience in the relevant arts that are practiced in those ministries.

Whoever was in the boss's chair at CDC should have picked up the phone and gotten a story on strain ID(s), testing kits and vaccines in development in the states at CDC and other correspondent laboratories. An hour's work if they had answers. At that point, he or she would have mapped resources to the outbreak response protocols and written up a preliminary response memorandum for the EOP and their correspondents in the NSC.
21   komputodo   ignore (3)   2020 Mar 23, 10:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

GreaterNYCDude says
I realize certain things we cannot control... but it amazes me that we have so few hospital beds per person in this country, particularly in major metro areas.

How many hospital beds should a city of 8 million people have? Do you have a realistic answer or are you just emoting?
22   covid_shmovid   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 23, 10:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

GreaterNYCDude says
it amazes me that we have so few hospital beds per person in this country, particularly in major metro areas.


As compared to what country?

23   porkchopexpress   ignore (0)   2020 Mar 23, 10:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I love seeing the beta Left whiners get shut down with facts.
24   epitaph   ignore (0)   2020 Mar 23, 10:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Chinese lies and incompetence from the WHO and the CDC. Trump obsessing over his 30k market didn't help either. The CDC is a fucking disaster really fucking pathetic and the WHO should be dissolved and replaced with Mr Bean, they both would probably do about the same thing which is nothing only Mr Bean might make somebody giggle. At least local governments are trying their best to buy time. I fucking hate Sam Licardo and Gavin Newsome but at least they responded to the threats as quickly as they could. It really means fuck all when global or national entities fuck up on such a massive scale. I hope they all get fired and have to retire no gold parachutes. I hope we never do business with China ever again and I hope those senators who
dumped stocks after their coronavirus briefing get fucking lynched on national tv for this shit.

Everyone who followed this story since January knew what a clusterfuck this was turning into. Now I get to worry about my parents dying from now until god knows when because some fat salaried incompetent fucks didn't do their job and when it's all said and done they say "sorry we tried our best" and nothing fucking happens. God I'm so fucking upset by this, 2008 doesn't even make me mad anymore.
25   marcus   ignore (14)   2020 Mar 23, 10:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-went-wrong-with-coronavirus-testing-in-the-us


The public-health-laboratory network was never intended to provide widespread testing in the event of a pandemic. To offer tests to anyone who wanted them, as President Trump did, on March 6th, was always going to require commercial testing facilities to come on line. Still, the three-week delay caused by the C.D.C.’s failure to get working test kits into the hands of the public-health labs came at a crucial time. In the early stages of an outbreak, contact tracing, isolation, and individual quarantines are regularly deployed to contain the spread of a disease. But these tools are useless if suspected cases of a disease cannot be tested. The void created by the C.D.C.’s faulty tests made it impossible for public-health authorities to get an accurate picture of how far and how fast the disease was spreading. In hotspots like Seattle, and probably elsewhere, covid-19 spread undetected for several weeks, which in turn only multiplied the need for more tests. “Once you’re behind the eight ball, it’s very hard to catch up,” Alberto Gutierrez, the former head of the F.D.A. Office of In Vitro Diagnostics and Radiological Health, which regulates tests, told me. “The problem was that containment was not done very well. At this point, we’re looking at exponential growth, and we need to figure out how to meet an exponential demand.”

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26   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (6)   2020 Mar 24, 6:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-went-wrong-with-coronavirus-testing-in-the-us


The public-health-laboratory network was never intended to provide widespread testing in the event of a pandemic. To offer tests to anyone who wanted them, as President Trump did, on March 6th, was always going to require commercial testing facilities to come on line. Still, the three-week delay caused by the C.D.C.’s failure to get working test kits into the hands of the public-health labs came at a crucial time. In the early stages of an outbreak, contact tracing, isolation, and individual quarantines are regularly deployed to contain the spread of a disease. But these tools are useless if suspected cases of a disease cannot be tested. The void created by the C.D.C.’s faulty tests made it impossible for public-health authorities to get an accurate picture of ho...


Except we weren’t behind the eight ball on testing. Hardly anyone tested positive in the US until last week.

The NY slimes also ran a graph supposedly showing how Italy and Korea were testing at large numbers way before us. Yeah, because both had a full blown outbreak in February. We didn’t. We had hardly any people even carrying it in February. Like I told you the NY Slimes is a horribly unreliable publication.

Notice how your article faults President Trump for a supposed three week delay, but then follows up with a line about how critical the early stages of an outbreak are without EVER stating what the beginning of the outbreak in the US was? It’s like a Jedi mind trick on week minded leftists.
27   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 24, 6:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Why were we so ill prepared?

Do you realize that we literally can't prepare for every possible contingency?
29   Ceffer   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 24, 9:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ill prepared for assault and battery by an enslaved press machine.
30   socal2   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 24, 9:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
The void created by the C.D.C.’s faulty tests made it impossible for public-health authorities to get an accurate picture of how far and how fast the disease was spreading.


This just tells us we need MOAR centralized healthcare from our Government in Washington DC.

We need layers and layers and layers of bureaucracy and red tape to keep the rubes and private labs in the States from doing their jobs.
31   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 Mar 24, 10:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I gotta say Gov Cuomo was pretty good, he wasn't spreading panic bullshit (because he's directly responsible for the outcome helps) and kept DeBlasio in Check.
32   Ceffer   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 24, 10:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

DeBlasio has the best traits of a Realtor and used car salesmen with LibbyFuck dressing.

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