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Promises made, promises kept?

By rdm follow rdm   2019 Oct 29, 10:25pm 255 views   29 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


But yeah, the stock market is doing well, bully for me a well off white guy but...

"Manufacturing Is Now Smallest Share of U.S. Economy in 72 Years"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-29/manufacturing-is-now-smallest-share-of-u-s-economy-in-72-years

"Trump’s coal subsidies failed, and the largest private US coal company files for bankruptcy"
https://electrek.co/2019/10/29/largest-private-us-coal-company-bankruptcy-trump-subsidies-fail/

"Trump promised to eliminate the national debt. It has risen by $3 trillion"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-promised-to-eliminate-the-national-debt-it-has-risen-by-3-trillion/
1   Ceffer   ignore (5)   2019 Oct 29, 10:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

You talk about these news outlets as if they are speaking facts rather than the anti-Trump slogans of the Great Globalist Paradise.
2   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2019 Oct 30, 12:50am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
You talk about these news outlets
Who did that?
3   rdm   ignore (2)   2019 Oct 30, 8:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

VINCENT says
ust transfer your portfolio over to me


Right go for the personal rather than address the issues. Inequality is one. How's that 4% GDP going?
4   rdm   ignore (2)   2019 Oct 30, 8:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
You talk about these news outlets as if they are speaking facts


Are any of the headlines factually wrong? Or is that that they don't follow the narrative that is believed by the "chosen one's" followers?
5   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2019 Oct 30, 8:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says

Right go for the personal rather than address the issues. Inequality is one.

Even the poorest among us have smart phones and are not starving. Why is it the responsibility of hard working citizens to subsidize those that won't work?

Now if you want to stop the corruption that has taken over our government vote for someone that promise you a job, not a handout.
6   Shaman   ignore (2)   2019 Oct 30, 8:39am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
Are any of the headlines factually wrong. Or is that that they don't follow the narrative that is believed by the "chosen one's" followers?


I think “misleading” is the correct term.
Yes, manufacturing is not a big part of our economy, but it has risen steadily at a faster rate since Trump was elected. The fact that other sectors have risen more quickly DOESNT make this a failed campaign promise. This is sailing upwind into a hurricane of outsourcing started under Clinton.

Private coal companies are free to fail if badly managed. There is no reason that the government should ensure their prosperity absent the market and proper management:

As for the deficit, Paul Ryan wrote the first year. Pelosi owns the last and biggest budget.
Trump declined to shut down the government again because of the deficit. If he’d done so, you’d have been bitching even more.
Admit it.
7   rdm   ignore (2)   2019 Oct 30, 8:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says

Now if you want to stop the corruption that has taken over our government vote for someone that promise you a job, not a handout


Sure hard to disagree with that, but the problem of inequality is much deeper and systemic than simply full employment, which we are very close to having at the moment. One could start with the tax code
8   rdm   ignore (2)   2019 Oct 30, 8:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Quigley says
I think “misleading” is the correct term


Headlines can be misleading, that is why I included the links. And the situation is more complicated than a single or series of articles can go into, its not black and white, so to speak. Trump and many of his followers see the world in a dualist fashion. Evil v good, with us against them, right or wrong; in a way this is their strength but also their weakness, no nuance. You might note the question mark I put at the end of the heading of the post.


href="/post/1328215&offset=0#comment-1626032">Quigley says

Trump declined to shut down the government again because of the deficit. If he’d done so, you’d have been bitching even more.
Admit it.


If he had put forth a balanced package of tax increases and spending cuts (including military) to reduce the deficit (which he didn't) and shutdown the government over it I would have supported him. He shut down the government over funding for his wall. If Trump and or the republicans give a shit about the deficit or national debt I haven't seen it...well, since Obama was President.
9   socal2   ignore (1)   2019 Oct 30, 8:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
Sure hard to disagree with that, but the problem of inequality is much deeper and systemic than simply full employment, which we are very close to having at the moment.


Who cares about inequality provided we have a decent floor and safety net?
10   rdm   ignore (2)   2019 Oct 30, 9:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

socal2 says
Who cares about inequality provided we have a decent floor and safety ne


I think it may well come to that, the Andrew Yang answer.
11   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2019 Oct 30, 10:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
the problem of inequality is much deeper and systemic than simply full employment, which we are very close to having at the moment. One could start with the tax code

And welfare reform. Too many people use the safety net as a hammock.
12   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2019 Oct 30, 10:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Heyyyyy, None of the OP flatters Trump.

This is an outrage!

Fake news!

Commies!
13   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2019 Oct 30, 11:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
stock market is doing well, bully for me a well off white guy but...
You don’t have the resources and support tools to make the right move at the right time when they drop the floor out. A few panics away from being busted like all the small fry.

QE4 might bring you some more extraction in the mean time, just to keep you Republican.
14   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2019 Oct 30, 11:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
And welfare reform. Too many people use the safety net as a hammock.


Hahahaa.

Best quote I've heard in a while.
15   Chiromancer   ignore (0)   2019 Oct 30, 2:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
few panics away from being busted like all the small fry.


Farm land baby.
16   Chiromancer   ignore (0)   2019 Oct 30, 3:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
just to keep you Republican.

I've been called a lot nasty things, but Republican is not one of em, until now. Simply scurrilous.
17   mell   ignore (5)   2019 Oct 30, 3:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Quigley says
I think “misleading” is the correct term.
Yes, manufacturing is not a big part of our economy, but it has risen steadily at a faster rate since Trump was elected. The fact that other sectors have risen more quickly DOESNT make this a failed campaign promise. This is sailing upwind into a hurricane of outsourcing started under Clinton.


100% agreed. Under Trump manufacturing is dong better than any other of the last few presidents - so the headline is disingenuous at best and fake news at worst, simply comparing it to the other sector growth.

Deficit is a fair point however everybody the government is close to shutting down it's Orange Man BAD!

Inequality can't be fully addressed as long as globohomo makes plenty of globalized profit. But even so under Trump the wages for low income earners have risen fastest, si relatively speaking he has done best wrt addressing inequality.

Sure he didn't keep all of his promises, but a heck more than the past few presidents.
18   Ceffer   ignore (5)   2019 Oct 30, 3:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
Sure he didn't keep all of his promises, but a heck more than the past few presidents.


It's hard to keep promises when you have a bunch of lame ass LibbyFucks who instead of doing their jobs make up shit 24/24 to oppose you at any cost, including the fragmentation and destruction of the country.
19   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2019 Nov 14, 4:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The US let in ZERO refugees last month for the first time since records began

Trump administration let in no refugees in October 2019 for first time in 30 years
State Department put a pause on resettling refugees in the country three times
Pause on new admissions meant tax-payer funded flights had to be re-booked
In September proposals to allow only 18,000 refugees in 2020 were announced

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7680347/The-let-ZERO-refugees-month-time-records-began.html

20   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2019 Nov 14, 5:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NoCoupForYou says
The US let in ZERO refugees last month for the first time since records began

Awesome! We've got plenty of people in this country already.
21   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (2)   2019 Nov 14, 5:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Yeah I’ll believe media ran by his opponent that’s been in tds mode for 3+ years now.
22   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2019 Nov 14, 5:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

"Manufacturing Is Now Smallest Share of U.S. Economy in 72 Years"
Not surprising. The US economy is vastly different from 72 years ago. My consumption habits are vastly different than those of my great grandparents.

Almost everything my grandparents bought 72 years ago was either food or something manufactured. Now I buy things like software, streaming video, home delivery service, etc, where there are no manufacturing costs.
23   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2019 Nov 14, 5:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

"Trump promised to eliminate the national debt. It has risen by $3 trillion"

Equally the fault of Trump AND congress.
24   Chiromancer   ignore (0)   2019 Nov 14, 6:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

SunnyvaleCA says
Equally the fault of Trump AND congress.


Yes, but this doesn't let him off the hook. Trump has shown zero interest in reducing the deficit and or retiring the debt
Z E R O.
25   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2019 Nov 14, 8:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Chiromancer says
SunnyvaleCA says
Equally the fault of Trump AND congress.


Yes, but this doesn't let him off the hook. Trump has shown zero interest in reducing the deficit and or retiring the debt
Z E R O.

He tried to withhold half a billion from Ukraine, right? I don't know, sounds like he was trying to reduce expenses......
26   Chiromancer   ignore (0)   2019 Nov 14, 8:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
don't know, sounds like he was trying to reduce expenses......


Ha, is that the new talking point. If so try again.
27   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2019 Nov 14, 8:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Chiromancer says
WookieMan says
don't know, sounds like he was trying to reduce expenses......


Ha, is that the new talking point. If so try again.

I don't do talking points.... Ha.Ha....
28   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2019 Nov 15, 1:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
Sure he didn't keep all of his promises, but a heck more than the past few presidents.
SETTLED for 2 million dollars

Trump is now barred now from ever running a charity or a school ever again.

the lawsuit alleged that the President and his three eldest children -- Don Jr., Ivanka and Eric -- violated federal and state campaign finance laws and abused the Donald J. Trump Foundation's tax-exempt status. According to the lawsuit, the Trumps allowed the foundation to be used "as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump's business and political interests."
The attorney general's office had sought several outcomes, including $2.8 million in restitution, plus penalties. Trump himself had vowed to fight the lawsuit, tweeting last year, "I won't settle this case!"
But the lawyers on both sides, however, came to a "consensual resolution of the bulk of this proceeding" in October, the judge said in her decision, and agreed that the judge would determine the amount of damages Trump would be required to pay.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/trump-settlement-trump-foundation-new-york/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1p1_DugBihCa4GxtnRAv5edpc4TqgT7a9hsGOOE_-QQr_TWcHW0wtihvo

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