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Notre Dame on Fire in Paris

By HonkpilledMaster following x   2019 Apr 15, 11:04am 2,491 views   106 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


Firefighters are battling a massive blaze which broke out at the world-famous Notre Dame cathedral in Paris this evening.

Pictures posted on social media showed enormous plumes of smoke billowing into the city's skyline and flames engulfing large sections of the historic building.

According to French newspaper Le Monde, the fire broke out in the attic of the monument before spreading across the roof.

A spokesperson for the cathedral said the blaze was first reported at 5.50pm (GMT) and the building was evacuated soon after.

Officials in Paris said the fire could be linked to restoration works as the peak of the church is currently undergoing a 6 million-euro ($6.8 million) renovation project.

Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo says firefighters are trying to contain a 'terrible fire' at the city's Notre Cathedral.

Hidalgo urged residents of the French capital to stay away from the security perimeter around the Gothic-style church. The mayor says city officials are in touch with Roman Catholic diocese in Paris.

The cathedral is one the finest example of French Gothic architecture in Europe, and one of the most visited buildings in the world.

Notre Dame - which means 'Our Lady' - was build in 1160 and completed by 1260, and has been modified on a number of occasions throughout the century.

It is the cathedral of the Archdiocese of Paris, and is visited by some 12million people every year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6925015/Fire-breaks-historic-Notre-Dame-cathedral-Paris.html


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67   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2019 Apr 17, 8:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Has anyone brought up how the fire was reported before it was detected, or started in two places at once? Or how a newsource had a tweet taken down where they say the caretakers claim it was arson?

Macron is desperate to get rid of yellow vests. Desperate enough to burn down a historic landmark to do it..
68   cmdrda2leak   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 17, 8:20am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
Has anyone brought up how the fire was reported before it was detected, or started in two places at once? Or how a newsource had a tweet taken down where they say the caretakers claim it was arson?

Macron is desperate to get rid of yellow vests. Desperate enough to burn down a historic landmark to do it..


Prediction: Macron will do anything possible to pin this on gilets jaunes. Public support for yellow vests has only increased over the last ~20 weeks and he's up against the ropes.
69   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 17, 8:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
no references to "god" or anything of that sort.
This reminds me of the book written back in 2005 by George Heigel "The Cube and the Cathedral":

Excerpted from a summary of the book:

"George Weigel offers a penetrating critique of "Europe's problem" and draws out its lessons for the rest of the democratic world. Contrasting the civilization that produced the starkly modernist "cube" of the Great Arch of La Defense in Paris with the civilization that produced the "cathedral," Notre-Dame,"

"...during the debate over a new European constitution-that only a public square shorn of religiously informed moral argument is safe for human rights and democracy. The most profound question raised by The Cube and the Cathedral is whether there can be any true "politics"-any true deliberation about the common good, and any robust defense of freedom-without God. George Weigel makes a powerful case that the answer is "No"-because, in the final analysis, societies and cultures can only be as great as their spiritual aspirations."

Also in the book he says that on tours of the Great Arch La Defense, or "the Cube" in its title, guides make the statement that three Notre Dame cathedrals could fit inside the Cube. An analogy would be that the Hope Diamond can fit inside a coffee can, but it neither raises the value of the coffee can nor diminishes in any way the value of the diamond.
70   cmdrda2leak   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 17, 8:43am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

P N Dr Lo R says
FortWayneIndiana says
no references to "god" or anything of that sort.
This reminds me of the book written back in 2005 by George Heigel "The Cube and the Cathedral":

Excerpted from a summary of the book:

"George Weigel offers a penetrating critique of "Europe's problem" and draws out its lessons for the rest of the democratic world. Contrasting the civilization that produced the starkly modernist "cube" of the Great Arch of La Defense in Paris with the civilization that produced the "cathedral," Notre-Dame,"

"...during the debate over a new European constitution-that only a public square shorn of religiously informed moral argument is safe for human rights and democracy. The most profound question raised by The Cube and the Cathedral is whether there can be any true "politics"-any true deliberation about the common good, and any robust defense of freedom-without God. George Weigel...


I've visited "the cube" in Paris (actually in the peripheral town of La Defense)... It is one of the best places to visit when you're in Paris. Why? Because it's roof offers a beautiful view of the Champs Elysses and Paris' gorgeous architecture. Also, when you're on it, it's the one place where you can't see the banal, ugly, trite Cube itself.
71   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Apr 17, 8:53am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

cmdrdataleak says
Prediction: Macron will do anything possible to pin this on gilets jaunes. Public support for yellow vests has only increased over the last ~20 weeks and he's up against the ropes.

This.

And it's the underreported story of the year. The protests have been going on for months, and the core of the protesters are self-employed and the older, pensioner (White) crowd. There are still daily demonstrations all over France.

Macron's problem is that it's "Leaderless Resistance" so there isn't a coterie of Socialist Union Leaders to bribe with high paying Admin jobs to stop the protests - precisely because they are cab, ambulance drivers, pensioners, etc.
72   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Apr 17, 9:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

P N Dr Lo R says
The most profound question raised by The Cube and the Cathedral is whether there can be any true "politics"-any true deliberation about the common good, and any robust defense of freedom-without God. George Weigel makes a powerful case that the answer is "No"-because, in the final analysis, societies and cultures can only be as great as their spiritual aspirations."


I don't know how he jumps from cube vs cathedral to whether we can do things without God.

We can certainly have spiritual aspirations without God. Check Buddhism.

And the main difference between the cube and the cathedral is that the cube is the result of capitalism: we just won't an extra buck to make things nice beyond the purely functional. We certainly use stones rather than concrete. This is why there are pretty much no cathedrals in the US though they have the means to build fantastic ones. This is not because Americans are not more religious than the French.
At least the French took the pain to build an original "Cube" where in America there would be just a plain tower.
73   Ceffer   ignore (2)   2019 Apr 17, 11:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Too much holy water and incense to the new look. I like the skylights, though.
74   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 17, 11:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
This is why there are pretty much no cathedrals in the US though they have the means to build fantastic ones.
Not bad for a country a fraction the age of France:

75   Ceffer   ignore (2)   2019 Apr 17, 11:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

For some reason, I found the Cathedral of Milan to be the most impressive. In real life, it is one of the most incredible looking buildings I have ever seen.
77   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Apr 17, 12:16pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here we go....
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-notredame/france-asks-should-notre-dames-spire-be-rebuilt-as-it-was-idUSKCN1RT197
France will open the redesign of Notre-Dame de Paris cathedral’s historic spire to international architects

Why keep anything French?

79   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Apr 17, 8:04pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Mobile Home burns down March 1st, by March 7th, a week later, Authorities are STILL investigating if it is arson, though they suspect the occupant of starting it.
https://www.grandhaventribune.com/Law-Enforcement/2019/03/07/Investigation-continues-in-mobile-home-explosion-fire

But one of the largest Medieval Buildings and a massive historical monument with multistory spires? Even before they begin interviewing the workers, they've all but ruled out arson. And somehow know of a computer bug in the fire alarm system. During a wave of Church attacks, including others on historical, ancient churches.
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-dozens-investigating-notre-dame-fire-cause-today-2019-04-17-live-updates/

Total Bullshit.
80   RC2006   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 17, 9:18pm   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They know if it did turn out to even look like it could have been a Muslim this could be the type of thing that breaks the straw. It could very well turn into "The shot heard round the world" moment.
81   cmdrda2leak   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 18, 12:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

fire cause decoder ring
(*actual*: reported)

*construction accident/negligence*: definite accident and here’s evidence
*vigrants*: accident, no concrete evidence
*lone weirdo*: gilets jaunes
*black clad shitstirrer*: gilets jaunes
*gilets jaunes*: gilets jaunes! fear it!
fuckin... sandanistas: chalecos amarillos... er.. gilets jaunes
*crashed RC quadcopter with defective battery explosion*: gilets jaunes quadcopter
*space aliens*: gilets jaunes starship
83   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 18, 5:36am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RC2006 says
They know if it did turn out to even look like it could have been a Muslim this could be the type of thing that breaks the straw. It could very well turn into "The shot heard round the world" moment.


No way, French are way too frightened to offend Muslims.

They will say, “thank you sir, may I have another”
84   RC2006   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 18, 5:43am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
RC2006 says
They know if it did turn out to even look like it could have been a Muslim this could be the type of thing that breaks the straw. It could very well turn into "The shot heard round the world" moment.


No way, French are way too frightened to offend Muslims.

They will say, “thank you sir, may I have another”

I'm thinking more of Europe as a whole, French are toast.
85   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 18, 5:45am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The political left hates Christians but they love Muslims who hate them.

I just don’t get it

It must have something to do with supporting the minority...
86   Goran_K   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 18, 5:50am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Woman should have never gotten the right to vote. Change my mind.
87   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2019 Apr 18, 5:56am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
It must have something to do with supporting the minority...


Nope is has more to do with exactly what Lindsey Graham said in his rebuke against them in the conclusion of the Kavanaugh hearings.

They are so drunk on power they will do anything to hang on to it. They would unleash Lions onto the public so they can support Animal Rights when one gets killed after it mauled hundreds. Just anything to put the shit on people, tear them down while seemingly building themselves up. They will do it. Nothing is beneath them at this point. The wildest scenario you can dream up they would pull that. So keep it to yourself. I've seen it, I've posed several things about the Liberals being more facetious than anything else. Only to find they actually pulled and used what ever hypothetical crap I said.
88   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 18, 7:57am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/04/canada-muslim-politician-says-quebec-premier-should-have-firefighters-sleep-in-the-church-on-notre-dame-street

Canada: Muslim politician says Notre Dame fire was divine retribution, firefighters should sleep in local church
89   Goran_K   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 18, 8:27am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/04/canada-muslim-politician-says-quebec-premier-should-have-firefighters-sleep-in-the-church-on-notre-dame-street

Canada: Muslim politician says Notre Dame fire was divine retribution, firefighters should sleep in local church


How does this guy get away with saying this without someone spraying his teeth across the sidewalk?
90   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 18, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
Muslims It must have something to do with supporting the minority


The operative is "poverty". A poor person can never do anything wrong.
91   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Apr 18, 9:22am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

P N Dr Lo R says
The operative is "poverty". A poor person can never do anything wrong.

Sure they can, if they used to have a factory job.

If they've been nothing but a baby momma, crackhead, or certainly if they're born outside the USA and poor, THEN they can never do anything wrong.
93   Blue   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 18, 3:23pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Woman should have never gotten the right to vote. Change my mind.


I think, someone on this site mentioned, women is poor in identifying the danger posed to the group. Imagine if this 50% voters not prioritizing the risk, no politician cares the issue. Islam exploit this social bug.
Europe, US and other places people are getting less religious but not aware of the danger of the Islam which occupies the vacuum like a parasite. Islam not just against Christianity but any modernity. People should know how to get this parasite out before it makes a hell whole like every where or expect dark days ahead to the humanity.
94   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Apr 18, 4:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Man arrested at St. Pat's in NY had been near another Cathedral.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/st-patricks-suspect-previously-arrested-at-other-cathedral

From a populist French speaker, translating French news:

95   Goran_K   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 18, 4:14pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"A college philosophy teacher"

A fat gay democrat soy boy...
96   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Apr 18, 5:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-notredame/time-lapse-shots-of-notre-dame-spire-may-yield-clues-on-blaze-idUSKCN1RU137
"Dupuy, who was involved in work to Notre-Dame in 2013, said safety regulations were very strict at the centuries-old site, with a focus on fire prevention. All extension chords had to be unplugged every night and smoking was not allowed anywhere. "

"TWO ALARMS
The scaffolders started leaving work at 5:20 p.m. on Monday evening and by 5:50 p.m. - half an hour before the first alarm sounded - all were gone, Eskenazi said.
“The procedure says that at the end of the day, electricity on the site is turned off. So we turn off the lifts and the scaffolding’s lights, and we hand over the keys to the sacristy’s concierge,” he said.
“That’s exactly what the workers did. They followed the procedure, and it was of course duly noted in the registers at the sacristy.”
[...]
"If indeed the fire was not arson, an electrical source would almost certainly be to blame, one police source said. "
97   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 18, 6:46pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RC2006 says
French are toast.


I like French Toast.
98   Ceffer   ignore (2)   2019 Apr 18, 7:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Was it IHLlary trying to take out somebody with a drone and she missed?
99   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 18, 8:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Woman should have never gotten the right to vote. Change my mind.


Well, wasn't it Hillary who said women just vote how their husbands tell them anyway.
101   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 23, 7:15am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Film pictures of how an unknown person moves on top of the Notre Dame cathedral before the big fire starts has attracted much attention in recent days. The video clip shows how the person lights up something similar to a fire. The French news agency AFP confirms that the video is genuine.

The fire against the historic cathedral Notre Dame in Paris came just a few days before the Easter celebration was to begin. During the week, several channels on YouTube and accounts on Twitter have published material from a webcam located on the Montparnass Tower about 2.3 kilometers from the cathedral. The webcam is provided by the company ViewSurf and film clips once an hour. ...

Again, from nearby public webcam on 4/15/19 there is a dark figure walking on the rooftop before the fire – NO SAFETY VEST – and no other workers present. This person creates TWO flashes of light or sparks. Pay attention. Better video resolution. #NotreDameFire pic.twitter.com/j3m9Px1hlc

— Vernon (@TipsyPianoBar) April 18, 2019


https://samnytt.se/video-nagon-tander-eld-ovanpa-notre-dame-bildernas-akthet-bekraftas-av-nyhetsbyra/ (in Swedish)
102   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Apr 23, 8:00am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Exactly what happened with St. Sulpice fire in France: Government said it was accident, turned out to be arson, Media extensively covered "Accident", barely acknowledged when it was ruled arson.

"People only hate and distrust us because Trump!" - Journalists.
105   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Apr 27, 5:10pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Women beaten by glorious Holy Migrant on Train because he doesn't like Whites, media fails to report.
https://twitter.com/dragondeau52/status/1122254475878719489?s=20

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