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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   245,714 views  1,288 comments

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With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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599   Onvacation   2022 Jan 12, 10:05am  

PeopleUnited says
muzzle is possibly threaded on the inside

That's just some SERIOUS rifling to make the bullet spin to the right.

Ya don't want left spinning bullets, do you?
600   Eric Holder   2022 Jan 12, 10:09am  

Onvacation says
PeopleUnited says
muzzle is possibly threaded on the inside

That's just some SERIOUS rifling to make the bullet spin to the right.

Ya don't want left spinning bullets, do you?


The gun is an airsoft replica of Glock. And the cartridges are revolver cartridges which are not compatible with any Glock, especially airsoft. =))

The rifling is not for spinning anything but rather for adding some airsoft-specific appendages to the end of the barrel.

The conslusion is: fucking cunts produce gun-related "news" but don't even have a firearms consultant on hand to run the shit by before publishing yet they are offering bold "solutions" aimed at "gun violence". Pathetic.
601   Eric Holder   2022 Jan 12, 10:14am  

PeopleUnited says
Seems like cartridge is wrong size for that barrel and the muzzle is possibly threaded on the inside which means it likely is not even a functional barrel.


Bingo.
602   Patrick   2022 Jan 14, 1:09pm  

https://patriotpost.us/articles/85541?source=patrick.net


On Sunday, December 12, at 1 p.m. on Sycamore Lane in Garden Grove, California, a man with a history of domestic violence and the subject of an active restraining order broke into the home of his ex-girlfriend and stabbed her current boyfriend several times in the chest. The boyfriend survived, but his assailant escaped and, for whatever reason, was never put behind bars.

Five days later, the man returned, kicking in the door and chasing the couple into a room upstairs. This time, though, they were armed with a handgun. The boyfriend fired several shots, more than one of which found home, and the assailant died at the scene.

If ever a man had it coming to him, it was this guy. And if ever a gun-grabbing Democrat should’ve been made to explain to a law-abiding couple why they had no right to possess the handgun that ultimately saved their lives, this would’ve been the time.

This story didn’t make national news — stories like this never do — but the American people would be better off if encounters like these were widely publicized. Were it so, would-be victims would likely be emboldened by the prospect of vigorous self-defense, and would-be assailants would likely think twice before preying upon another person. ..

To be sure, this story out of Garden Grove wasn’t a one-off. Each month, The Daily Signal publishes an article highlighting some of the previous month’s many news stories on defensive gun use nationwide — stories that the mainstream media has no interest in publishing. Stories like the one out of Bolivar, Tennessee, where an armed Domino’s Pizza employee drew his own gun and fatally shot a would-be armed robber. Or this one out of North Philly, where a merchant put a stop to a spate of armed robberies targeting Latino-owned businesses by shooting and wounding a 20-year-old man who’d tried to rob his corner store. Or this one out of Cairo, Georgia, where an elderly woman was awakened in the middle of the night to find several armed intruders. When she confronted them, she was shot, but she returned fire with her own weapon, causing them to flee. Seven suspects were later arrested.
605   Hircus   2022 Jan 19, 6:32pm  

Booger says


Very cool. The image contains all the 3d print schematic files.
606   Patrick   2022 Jan 19, 9:04pm  

That one has my name on it.
607   HeadSet   2022 Jan 20, 6:59am  

Patrick says
That one has my name on it.

It is never good to have a bullet with your name on it!
608   Zak   2022 Jan 20, 9:36am  

One thing I find interesting about the whole argument of "non-military weapons" that 2a restriction people try to say should be excluded:

The amendment states :

"A well regulated militia, being necessary"

then says:

"the right of the people to bear arms"

it doesn't say
"the right of the militia to bear arms"

I don't understand how this isn't interpreted directly as: the people need weapons of war to bring to the fight.

This would seem to blow all these safety restrictions on automatic weapons, destructive devices, etc away. The right to fight wars with deadly weapons was reserved to the people, not to the militia or to the military.. I never see anyone making this argument via saying the amendment doesn't reserve the right to war weapons to the militia...
609   Zak   2022 Jan 20, 9:51am  

Another thought I had was that these laws can only exist with the consent of the governed. One way to combat this stupidity would be as follows:

Machine gun parts are defined as machine guns under federal law. This means if you possess something called an auto sear, you are guilty of having an unregistered machine gun.

An auto sear is a small piece of sheet metal shaped to release the firing pin from the trigger when the bolt closes on an ar-15.

So if you possess one of these small pieces of metal, you own a machine gun, and can be prosecuted..

Ok.. what if we have a 2a freedom event, and someone brings a punch press, and lets everyone come up and make themselves a 3c stamped auto sear. We could have 20,000 people non-violently protest the law, and create themselves a machine gun for .3c per pop. Total cost: $1000 for the stamping die, and $600 of sheet metal. Are they going to create tens of thousands of felons for having a 3c stamped piece of sheet metal?
610   KgK one   2022 Jan 20, 9:26pm  

Imagine if American Indians had guns to defend their land. They carried bows n arrows n got outmatched.. There is a great lesson to be learned from natives.
611   Onvacation   2022 Jan 23, 10:02am  

Zak says
Are they going to create tens of thousands of felons for having a 3c stamped piece of sheet metal?

Yes. Unprosecuted felons.
612   Onvacation   2022 Jan 23, 10:04am  

No since fighting the government over rights. They are our rights until we give them up or the government, or should I say rulers, violently take them.
613   RWSGFY   2022 Jan 23, 10:09am  

KgK one says
Imagine if American Indians had guns to defend their land. They carried bows n arrows n got outmatched.. There is a great lesson to be learned from natives.


They got firearms rather quickly. Still lost because they were divided and thus always outnumbered.
614   PeopleUnited   2022 Jan 23, 10:17am  

I need to limit your rights for your own safety, 15 days to stop the spread becomes take he jab or lose your job.

We need to limit your rights for your own safety. Shall not be infringed becomes, where’s your permit, and my $200 tax payment?
615   ForcedTQ   2022 Jan 23, 10:27am  

Zak says
One thing I find interesting about the whole argument of "non-military weapons" that 2a restriction people try to say should be excluded:

The amendment states :

"A well regulated militia, being necessary"

then says:

"the right of the people to bear arms"

it doesn't say
"the right of the militia to bear arms"

I don't understand how this isn't interpreted directly as: the people need weapons of war to bring to the fight.

This would seem to blow all these safety restrictions on automatic weapons, destructive devices, etc away. The right to fight wars with deadly weapons was reserved to the people, not to the militia or to the military.. I never see anyone making this argument via saying the amendment doesn't reserve the right to war weapons to the militia...


It is how you state it is. Too many people don’t understand and are willing to give up this natural right. KrisAnne Hall constitutional attorney has done many teachings on this, and is a good resource to consult.
617   richwicks   2022 Jan 31, 5:10pm  

zzyzzx says


Bill Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse.
622   JimSpatzenfeld   2022 Mar 16, 5:29pm  

Patrick says






I guess you would also call me hypocrite when I tell my wife in summertime to turn off the heat and then in wintertime to turn it back on?
623   richwicks   2022 Mar 16, 6:06pm  

JimSpatzenfeld says
I guess you would also call me hypocrite when I tell my wife in summertime to turn off the heat and then in wintertime to turn it back on?


Do you get rid of your furnace in summer, and get rid of your air conditioner in winter? I mean, you don't need them at those times, do you?

A weapon is for when you need to protect yourself and your family against a government that has turned on its population and for self protection, because the government certainly doesn't protect you or your family - they just take photographs of the bodies and crime scene. When the government is the criminal they won't even do that, since they will be the perpetrator. It might be pointless to have a fight with the government in the end, but they think twice about killing you when they know they can be killed themselves. If you're going to die anyhow, do you think it's a bad thing to take out one of the serial killers sent after you?

If there's something I've learned in the last 2 years, it's that people that know better, will still comply. Even when they know what they are doing is certainly harming people, they still comply.

If you ever feel you need a weapon, in fact if society feels they need a weapon, you're not going to be able to buy one then. Everybody that understands what the 2nd amendment is for is completely aware of this. Nobody wants to use it, no SANE person wants to use it, but I bet a lot of Russians would have appreciated having them at one point, same with Chinese, and Indonesians, and Cambodians.
625   PeopleUnited   2022 Mar 18, 6:06am  

It has occurred to me that the anti gun crowd is actually not anti-gun. They are anti-American, as in they hate the people and the documents that made our Republic great. They are traitors to the very Constitution that many of them swear repeatedly to protect and defend from all enemies. If you defend the Constitution, they hate you too.
627   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 Apr 4, 3:43pm  

Patrick says
https://gunsandgadgetsdaily.com/breaking-half-of-america-now-allows-constitutional-carry/?source=patrick.net


it's weird to me still that Republicans only grow balls at the state level when Democrats are in charge of the country. As soon as Republicans are elected to white house, everyone stops caring and assumes the president got it or something. I never understood that, or maybe it's just how media portrayed it.
628   Patrick   2022 Apr 14, 7:58pm  

I've been reading The Federalist Papers in order to better understand the Constitution, and the 2nd amendment is indeed explicitly intended to defend against federal overreach. It's not about deer hunting in the least.

We have arms, but what we are missing is the masses of men who were assumed to be always in their local and state militias, where a militia is an organized group of ordinary citizens who maintain guns and readiness to defend themselves.

From Federalist Paper 46:

The only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition. The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger. That the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterupted succession of men ready to betray both; that the traitors should, throughout this period, uniformly and systematically pursue some fixed plan for the extension of the military establishment; that the governments and the people of the States should silently and patiently behold the gathering storm, and continue to supply the materials, until it should be prepared to burst on their own heads, must appear to every one more like the incoherent dreams of a delirious jealousy, or the misjudged exaggerations of a counterfeit zeal, than like the sober apprehensions of genuine patriotism. Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.


We have indeed elected an uninterrupted succession of men ready to betray both state and country for the sake of mega-corporation profits.

And most of America does indeed seem blind to the long train of insidious measures to deprive us of our Constitutional rights, such as mass censorship and mass injections of a dangerous and ineffective experimental drug.
630   clambo   2022 May 10, 6:08am  

The post above is great.

Factoid: In Japan it was common to employ an agency to investigate the background of a potential spouse.

“Sorry honey, there’s a problem with our getting married, but let’s continue to have regular rendezvous as usual.”
635   Patrick   2022 May 26, 9:53am  

https://jewscanshoot.org/2019/02/11/largest-mass-shooting-us-history-happened-december-29-1890/


December 29, 2012, marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.





Lol, another Jewish site like JPFO: https://jewscanshoot.org/

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