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It's the jobs stupid

By CovfefeButDeadly follow CovfefeButDeadly   2016 Mar 9, 7:03pm 13,922 views   30 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Just completed interviews for entry level jobs where I work. Starts at $39k a year with good benefits. This is Los Angeles so pay in not so great to start though there is upward potential.

Min job req is a hs diploma. 10 candidates, 7 had bachelors degrees, all had at least AA. The few I spoke to said the job market is almost impossible and were thrilled to be interviewing.

If I wasn't convinced the economy was still in the shitter as far as the average dude is concerned, I am now. I'm happy we are getting quality people who will make strong supervisors down the road. But no reason any of these people should have been settling for these positions.

1   Strategist   ignore (2)   2016 Mar 9, 7:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

dodgerfanjohn says

Min job req is a hs diploma. 10 candidates, 7 had bachelors degrees,

Hmmm... HS diploma job, but 70% had a bachelors and 30% had a AA..., applying for a job that JUST requires a diploma...

Yep, Obama says the economy is booming!!!

Didn't you hear....A college degree is the new high school diploma. Anything less is minimum wages until the robots take over.

2   Ceffer   ignore (4)   2016 Mar 9, 11:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

All job interviews should begin with the interviewer asking for the applicant's college diploma, then wiping his ass with it.

3   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 9, 11:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What did the applicants have a degree in?

4   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (7)   2016 Mar 10, 6:30am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

3 bs in business admin, the other four had more specialized degrees and we're working in those fields, but underemployed.

5   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (7)   2016 Mar 10, 6:40am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Right......so what do you get then???? Americans working all the shit jobs and getting paid $10 an hour?"

Point of this posting is that's what we have now after 8 years of economical mismanagement.

The end game of socialism is almost everyone who works makes $15 an hour or whatever the minimum wage is, but a whole lot of people don't actually work, and almost no one gets ahead with the exception of the politically connected.

The current income gap is almost entirely due to economic policy encouraging passive investments. The policies Trump advocates would force investment into manufacturing and other business. Stemming illegal immigration would increase competitiveness in the job market. This really isn't difficult.

6   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 7:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Your story contradicts this chart.

7   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 7:44am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Either way it is undeniably down.

The participation rate is explained by the increasing number below working age.

DF's story is anecdotal or maybe there is more unemployment in LA? God knows LA has done everything in it's power to drive jobs out of the state.

8   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 8:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And yours is not? How come.

9   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 11:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says

I can read between the lines. When a guy hotly supports a group that is and has been fucking the people over for years by policies that drive wages down, create fear of a PC witch hunt, and keep things spiraling down until we all achieve slave status, I know he's pro-oligarch. Pro-status quo is pro-oligarch.

Which group?

10   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 12:18pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

Notice, "Seasonally Adjusted".... they can make the chart say whatever they want

You are the biggest idiot on pat.net. How the hell is seasonally adjusting going to cause unemployment to continually drop for 7 YEARS? Do you have any clue how the world works?

11   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 1:02pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

Maybe because it hasn't dropped for 7 years..

Ah, yes--shadowstats. The bastion of lies for the uneducated. It has been proven, over and over again, to be utter BS. I'm not surprised you like it.

Ironman says

But, if you're looking for areas that DID drop, try the LFPR, Homeownership, Incomes, etc..... well, you can thank Obama for this chart

Did Obama cause people to age? He really is powerful.

Regardless, do you understand that seasonal adjustment CANNOT cause any stat to fall for 7 years? You get that, right?

12   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 2:15pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

The concept of noise is obviously foreign to CIC.

13   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 6:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yea that is cute with all your theatrics and all, but go fuck yourself bitch, the population is going to increase big time, so your idea that job participation is decreasing is ridiculous.

14   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 7:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No tard boy, I'm quoting your article.

15   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 7:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No tard boy, what I have quoted is from the first page of your article/

16   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 7:38pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

This from your link:

The U.S. population is expected to grow more slowly in future decades than it did in the previous century. Nonetheless, the total population of 319 million in 2014 is projected to reach the 400 million threshold in 2051 and 417 million in 2060.

It agrees with my charts.

17   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 7:39pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

The credit does go to Obama for the recovery

Starting from a VERY low bar. But you statement is waaay off.

18   Strategist   ignore (2)   2016 Mar 10, 7:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

indigenous says

Strategist says

The credit does go to Obama for the recovery

Starting from a VERY low bar. But you statement is waaay off.

You have a point, but Obama still gets the credit for the recovery.

19   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 7:43pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

Obama still gets the credit for the recovery.

Why?

20   Strategist   ignore (2)   2016 Mar 10, 7:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

indigenous says

Strategist says

Obama still gets the credit for the recovery.

Why?

Obama did what it took to prevent a depression. I give him credit for that.

21   indigenous   ignore (0)   2016 Mar 10, 7:55pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

Obama did what it took to prevent a depression. I give him credit for that.

Fuck No. Not that I'm defending Bush, but Obama passed the ACA and Dodd Frank that will have huge effects on the economy in the future.

He is just another megalomaniac who desperately needs to be bitch slapped to the curb. What really sucks is that because of this kind of ignorance Hillary will be elected next. Gawd fucking dammit.

22   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (7)   2019 Nov 26, 1:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FWIW, 3 1/2 years later we no longer get ANYONE applying for these jobs who has a college degree.

And in fact, despite starting at $18 an hour, we can't even get enough people fast enough. Part of it is the hoops that have to be jumped through(the hiring process can take 1 month up to a year).

The positive is that the people who are winding up with these jobs would likely make as much in private industry or even more in the here and now(average LA county salary is over $30 an hour...around $63K a year), but wouldn't have the future opportunities nor the level of job security.
23   Shaman   ignore (2)   2019 Nov 26, 2:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Help wanted signs are everywhere in SoCal. I really believe that anyone who wants a job right now has one. The permanent ghetto dwellers are staffing the fast food places, so the service has really gone down hill. But what can you expect from a minimum wage job? Even if that minimum wage is $12/hour here in California.
24   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (7)   2019 Nov 26, 2:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Shaman says
Help wanted signs are everywhere in SoCal. I really believe that anyone who wants a job right now has one. The permanent ghetto dwellers are staffing the fast food places, so the service has really gone down hill. But what can you expect from a minimum wage job? Even if that minimum wage is $12/hour here in California.


If all you are paying is $12 an hour, you won't be able to hire anyone at all except maybe those with substantial criminal record. Even the fast food places are having to pay $14-15/hr. The better places like In N Out and Chik Fil A are both starting at over $16 an hour and include benefits.

The economy is truly on fire. Whats crazy is there are Democrats who believe CNN(and worse, the spanish language news) which are actively lying about the economy. I've asked a few of these people who they can name that is struggling and they become tongue tied. But they still insist the economy isn't all that good. I say what the average pay is in LA County, and the country. Still they remain tongue tied and insist that the economy is not good.

Absolute fools at this point.
25   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 Nov 26, 3:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Obama did what it took to prevent a depression. I give him credit for that.


He did no such thing. Bush did the measures needed...in fact, there was a meeting with Bush, Obama and McCain to cover what needed to be done due to the fact that one of those last two guys were going to have to complete it. Obama didn't commit to anything nor mention any solutions. Whatever McCain said/agreed to didn't matter as he didn't succeed Bush anyway.

So Bush had to go ahead solo. Obama clearly wanted to be able to blame Bush AND O clearly didn't know what the subject matter was about, either.
26   marcus   ignore (12)   2019 Nov 26, 3:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
FWIW, 3 1/2 years later we no longer get ANYONE applying for these jobs who has a college degree.


What ? You can't get people with college degrees to line up for starting pay of 40K in 2019, in Los Angeles ? Hell that would be like, what, 13,000 in 1980 ? You're right, that really is some kind of a sign that the economy is on fire.
27   WineHorror1   ignore (1)   2019 Nov 26, 5:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
The positive is that the people who are winding up with these jobs would likely make as much in private industry or even more in the here and now(average LA county salary is over $30 an hour...around $63K a year), but wouldn't have the future opportunities nor the level of job security.

Is this a government job?
28   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (7)   2019 Nov 26, 6:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
CovfefeButDeadly says
FWIW, 3 1/2 years later we no longer get ANYONE applying for these jobs who has a college degree.


What ? You can't get people with college degrees to line up for starting pay of 40K in 2019, in Los Angeles ? Hell that would be like, what, 13,000 in 1980 ? You're right, that really is some kind of a sign that the economy is on fire.


You completely missed the point. The OP was only 3 1/2 years ago. What do you think changed?
29   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (7)   2019 Nov 26, 6:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WineHorror1 says
CovfefeButDeadly says
The positive is that the people who are winding up with these jobs would likely make as much in private industry or even more in the here and now(average LA county salary is over $30 an hour...around $63K a year), but wouldn't have the future opportunities nor the level of job security.

Is this a government job?


Yes. No surprise really as gov pay always lags the general economy on the way up.
30   WineHorror1   ignore (1)   2019 Nov 26, 6:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
Yes. No surprise really as gov pay always lags the general economy on the way up.

It also NEVER falls when the private sector falls either. It stays permanently high.

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