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How so?

Mark D says

you can thank GZ's white supporters for these:

SoftShell says

How so?

Mark D says

you can thank GZ's white supporters for these:

2011 and one of hundreds of racist attacks by blacks that have occurred in the US since 2009 that are not reported nationally on the news.

This kind of thing happens all the time with guns. Black and whites both doing sick things with guns.

How is the media supposed to keep up with each sick shooting?

We have guns and we have all this madness. We have children with guns that only have them because we have a politically powerful Smith and Wesson.

And stupid pussies that love their guns.

Guns level the playing field.
Otherwise the strong will dominate the weak.
Your statement below interprets as "The weak love their guns".
And you call them 'stupid'.
So I must conclude that you are one of the 'strong', and it pisses you off to no end that you cannot dominate the 'armed weak'.
Tough shit for you.

StillLooking says

And stupid pussies that love their guns.

Dan8267 says

Two arrested, both being charged with first-degree murder, not manslaughter or second-degree, but first-degree. At least one is being charged as an adult even though he is a minor.

That's because they were actually guilty. Zimmerman wasn't, as proven by the courts decision... while public lynching outcry from the group of black arsonists was there.

Yet they did not make any cry's or screams to execute the black murderers. It's their racial double standard, blacks can kill their wives (OJ) and other peoples children, but if others fight back such as Zimmerman... it's a problem.

+1

FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

Two arrested, both being charged with first-degree murder, not manslaughter or second-degree, but first-degree. At least one is being charged as an adult even though he is a minor.

That's because they were actually guilty. Zimmerman wasn't, as proven by the courts decision...

SoftShell says

Guns level the playing field.

My father always used this good old quote when I was growing up "God made men, but Sam Colt made them equal."

dodgerfanjohn says

2011 and one of hundreds of racist attacks by blacks that have occurred in the US since 2009 that are not reported nationally on the news.

White on black hate crimes are far higher in number than black on white hate crimes.

However, black on white crime is much, much higher in number than white on black crime.

The disparity between these 2 numbers is that hate crimes are applied at different standards between the 2 races. The whole concept of a white on black hate crime is to punish whites who fight back against black violence.

The overall black crime rate and the black on white crime rate is proof that blacks are more violent than whites and hate white life.

Dan8267 says

When Martin was unjustly murdered, there was no arrest. The police would have let it slide if it were not for a public outcry.

IMO, the public outrage for no arrest was justified. When an unarmed teen is killed, and you find the person who did the killing, there should be a trial unless there is overwhelming evidence that the killing was justified (e.g., multiple eyewitnesses or something). Here there were certainly questions that deserved to be handled in court. Unfortunately, the media took it too far and convicted Zimm before the case was actually heard. They set everyone up for outrage and caused this whole thing to be a mess. It should have been simple: arrest, trial, no conviction due to unfortunate lack of evidence, move on.

FortWayne says

Yet they did not make any cry's or screams to execute the black murderers. It's their racial double standard, blacks can kill their wives (OJ) and other peoples children, but if others fight back such as Zimmerman... it's a problem.

I don't know who the "they" are that you are talking about. I can say that I did not call for the death penalty in Zimmerman's case. First, it was a second-degree murder case, not a first-degree one. Second, the murder has to be particularly heinous to warrant the death penalty. The Zimmerman case doesn't meet that criteria. Third, I'm against the death penalty at least for the most part, although there are a few situations were even I sometimes part of me thinks it might be warranted.

But we can certainly agree that the Zimmerman case has shown a severe divide in racial issues still exists in our country.

I find the verdict and trial disappointing, but I believe the jury's hands were tied. This was a failure of law enforcement from day one. There should have been better evidence and a better case made. I'm disappointed that "self-defense" was accepted as reasonable defense by the instigator of the entire situation. That disappointment has nothing to do with Zimmerman being a white Hispanic or Martin being black. I think that the vast majority of whites who are disappointed in the outcome are so for the same reason.

But yes, there certainly is a racial prism that about a third of white Americans (mostly conservative) and almost all black Americans are seeing this case through. There's no denying that.

ch_tah2 says

IMO, the public outrage for no arrest was justified. When an unarmed teen is killed, and you find the person who did the killing, there should be a trial unless there is overwhelming evidence that the killing was justified (e.g., multiple eyewitnesses or something).

Yes, and that was most people were calling for: a fair and open trial. And we got that.

Most of the disappointment I think is in the failed law enforcement in gathering evidence. I think that most people agree the jury did their best and had to reach the conclusion they did under the law based on the trial and disappointingly inconclusive evidence such as not being able to confirm who was crying for help.

Dan8267 says

Most of the disappointment I think is in the failed law enforcement in gathering evidence. I think that most people agree the jury did their best and had to reach the conclusion they did under the law based on the trial and disappointingly inconclusive evidence such as not being able to confirm who was crying for help.

Do you have specific points of the police's failures? The only thing I remember the defense pointing to was something about the clothes being stored in a plastic bag instead of a paper bag or something causing DNA testing to be inaccurate.

Dan8267 says

I don't know who the "they" are that you are talking about. I can say that I did not call for the death penalty in Zimmerman's case.

Dan you are not part of the "ghetto LA" crowd. You are in FL. But there are certain groups of people out here in our city that go up in arms every time a situation involves a black man and a non black man, or whenever our basketball team wins. Some of them actually believe in their own racist BS, most just use that an excuse to create the opportunity to destroy and rob local businesses.

It wasn't the first time they did this, this process happens often enough that police out here already knows how to look out for these mobs and arrest them.

Dan8267 says

But we can certainly agree that the Zimmerman case has shown a severe divide in racial issues still exists in our country

To give blacks credit, they are racially aware and never stray from the group think when it comes to voting or public opinions. Any public vote or opinion involving a black will always have solid black support over 85%.

Whites think for themselves and as such are divided between sex and politics being the main group dividers. If whites showed the same racial solidarity as blacks are allowed to this country would be a better place.

The most glaring is not giving zimmerman the usual assortment of drug tests. That should be standard OP for any shooting.

ch_tah2 says

Dan8267 says

Most of the disappointment I think is in the failed law enforcement in gathering evidence. I think that most people agree the jury did their best and had to reach the conclusion they did under the law based on the trial and disappointingly inconclusive evidence such as not being able to confirm who was crying for help.

Do you have specific points of the police's failures?

You have it reversed.
If Blacks thought for themselves, instead of following whatever sharpton/jackson dish up, there would be very few protests over the zimmerman verdict, and the country would be in a better place.
For that matter, so would black people.

foxmannumber1 says

If whites showed the same racial solidarity as blacks are allowed to this country would be a better place.

I don't want 85 average IQ people thinking for themselves. They will most likely get it wrong.

I want 100 average IQ people making their decisions for them.

Hmmm. You have a valid point.
Maybe we should amend the laws so there is a minimum IQ level required to vote.

foxmannumber1 says

I don't want 85 average IQ people thinking for themselves. They will most likely get it wrong.

I want 100 average IQ people making their decisions for them.

ch_tah2 says

Do you have specific points of the police's failures?

NY Times has a good article on this. NPR also covered that, but it's harder to find links to radiocasts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-case-shadowed-by-police-missteps.html?pagewanted=all&_r=patrick.net

FortWayne says

Dan you are not part of the "ghetto LA" crowd. You are in FL.

Trust me, there are plenty of ghettos in Florida. Pretty much everything within half a mile of the train tracks on either side.

Federal Hwy is ghetto on west side and mansions on the east side.

foxmannumber1 says

To give blacks credit, they are racially aware and never stray from the group think when it comes to voting or public opinions. Any public vote or opinion involving a black will always have solid black support over 85%.

Yes, I believe that culture is a reaction to the extreme suppression of their entire race for several hundred years. It's a bad reaction, but what can you expect. The southern slavers created modern African-American culture.

I believe living blacks are responsible for their own actions.

To blame slave owners for Tyrone shooting Jamal daily is a weak argument. It alleviates all black criminals of personal responsibility to say that they kill people because their great great great great grandparents may have been slaves.

Dan8267 says

NY Times has a good article on this. NPR also covered that, but it's harder to find links to radiocasts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-case-shadowed-by-police-missteps.html?pagewanted=all&_r=patrick.net

From reading that article, the only thing big thing that the police did wrong was not test Z for alc/drugs (as softshell said). The rest seems like someone made a list to be able to write an article. They admit the police have no control over the rain, yet still included it in the list. After all, a list with 5 points looks better than 4. Sure, in a perfect world the police could have done things perfectly (and it wouldn't have rained!!!), but I don't see anything that would have changed the outcome of the case.

foxmannumber1 says

To blame slave owners for Tyrone shooting Jamal daily is a weak argument.

Yes it's ridiculous and I doubt anyone is doing that.

But ignoring the historical context and broader reasons for those poorer blacks who have fallen in to pattern of welfare dependency, bad attitudes, drugs, single parent families, and tendencies toward crime, and then to seemingly attribute all of these as being somehow an innate racial predisposition ?

I assume that's what you and fortwayne think.

You'll cite those who have pulled themself out of the ghetto as an example that somehow proves that everyone should be able to, or some such bs.

These are complicated issues. Questions come up, such as, should those who don't expect to be able to make a good living, have children? Should we have a system that enables or even incentivises them to, but in such bad economic conditions that this culture we're talking about gets perpetuated?

How to turn that around is no small question. Especially now, when the short and medium term economic prospects are not as good as they once were.

It's not that "libruls" don't understand the situation. We just see the whole thing in all it's complexity and don't make such emotional and biased kneejerk judgments.

There will always be people who cling to belief in a lie because either they wish for it to be true, or they are afraid that it is true. It's pretty easy to spot the posters who fall into this category on this thread. The ones who drag up speculation as evidence, who assert improbable theories as fact, and who ignore all truth that would prove them wrong.
The rest of you can try to reason with them, but you'll get absolutely nowhere. They have their heads firmly buried and have no interest in reality.

marcus says

But ignoring the historical context and broader reasons for those poorer blacks who have fallen in to pattern of welfare dependency, bad attitudes, drugs, single parent families, and tendencies toward crime, and then to seemingly attribute all of these as being somehow an innate racial predisposition ?

Keep making excuses for them marcus, it's what these people do best in their life... make excuses.

This is a very nice explanation for why the Liberal Zimmerman "hoodie profiled" Martin.

Given that Zimmerman has a rich, proven background in tutoring and helping blacks, even dating a nice looking lady, it's pretty much a fact he is not a racist.

Zimmerman saw Martin in his hoodie taking forever to walk back to his fathers girlfriends house in the dark in the rain in a high crime apartment complex, and as a Liberal, "understood the situation, seeing the whole thing in all it's complexity", and doing his duty as community watch person, called in the situation to the police.

Thanks for the accurate analysis Marcus!

marcus says

It's not that "libruls" don't understand the situation. We just see the whole thing in all it's complexity"

Quigley says

The ones who drag up speculation as evidence, who assert improbable theories as fact, and who ignore all truth that would prove them wrong.

Who's doing any of those things ?
Quigley says

The rest of you can try to reason with them, but you'll get absolutely nowhere. They have their heads firmly buried and have no interest in reality.

Being self righteous and talking like a know it all while simultaneously showing off your lack of reasoning skills, doesn't make you any less of a dimbulb.

The historical context is that their great great great great grandfathers were rescued from Africa on the condition that they work for something they didn't understand.

All of a sudden they were told they were equal to this thing they didn't understand or help shape(modern civilization) and did what came natural to their instincts once they were given citizenship(welfare dependency, bad attitudes, drugs, single parent families, and tendencies toward crime).

It is not a complicated issue. Blacks are, on average, about 15% less genetically intelligent as whites. This is the root cause of all black problems that white people seem to not have at all, or to a much lesser degree. Black problems will never be fixed due to this genetic difference.

Liberals refuse to believe that we are all not equal and do their best to make unequal things equal at great expense to whites.

The best description of blacks is that they are overgrown children. If you spoil them and do not discipline them they run wild and destroy the home. They then come crying to mommy and daddy, in this case "white people", to fix their problems once they screw up.

If the parents have a consistent and heavy hand in their discipline and daily life then you will have an orderly home but the child will be unhappy.

FortWayne says

Keep making excuses for them marcus, it's what these people do best in their life... make excuses.

It's not like I thought you would consider (let alone comprehend) my comment in it's entirety.

foxmannumber1 says

It is not a complicated issue. Blacks are, on average, about 15% less genetically intelligent as whites. This is the root cause of all black problems that white people seem to not have at all, or to a much lesser degree. Black problems will never be fixed due to this genetic difference.

Okay, we have a new champion.

foxmannumber1 says

The best description of blacks is that they are overgrown children. If you spoil them and do not discipline them they run wild and destroy the home. They then come crying to mommy and daddy, in this case "white people", to fix their problems once they screw up.

Dan8267 says

The southern slavers created modern African-American culture.

nope, drug use and welfare did.

foxmannumber1 says

I believe living blacks are responsible for their own actions.

Actions yes, the situation they were born into no. The police brutality they've experienced, no.

Ultimately, the problem of ghetto culture is a catch-22. The south refused to let blacks integrate into culture for over a hundred years after the Civil War and used the court systems and the police to terrorize blacks. As a result, blacks established a tribal culture of us vs. them based on distrust of the police and the courts and the use of guns and violence to protect themselves, not that dissimilar to white conservative southerners clinging to their guns. As legal financially gainful opportunities were not available to most blacks, they turned to illegal economic opportunities. Hence the high crime rate and drug trade.

Here's the catch-22. White southerners won't let blacks integrate into their communities as long as ghetto culture exists. Blacks won't abandon ghetto culture until they are fully integrated into white society and have all the same opportunities and there is no discrimination. But as long as ghetto culture exists, there will be white fear and prejudice, and a lack of economic opportunities.

Imagine if there wasn't the long history of police abuse. If that were the case, Martin would most likely have called 911 instead of his girlfriend. Then when Zimmerman approached, Martin could say, "the police are on their way to arrest your ass, bitch and 911 is recording this conversation" and then proceeded to give a physical description of Zimmerman. In that situation, Zimmerman wouldn't dare pull out his gun. So, you see, this particular event was the result of 300 years of American history converging to a point. And that's the big picture.

foxmannumber1 says

The overall black crime rate and the black on white crime rate is proof that
blacks are more violent than whites and hate white life.

100% on the mark.

Someone talk about Michael Madison after this. Yep, I'm still barking about it.

Dan8267 says

The southern slavers created modern African-American culture.

Nope most of the crime and gangs started in Northern cities, and was glorified by Liberal documentaries. The Liberals wanted to study and understand them, so they could harness them as political assets, rather than reform or punish them. Once they understood how they could use that criminal element to advance their Liberal cause, it spread like cancer through out the US.

Don't forget, that with out clear Civil rights violations and oppressors Liberals have no definition or purpose.
That is why Obama is working overtime to rip a rift through the race relations in this country, so they can be relevant again.

Because they are failing as champions for the poor. They only need them to get elected by promising the company store, then giving them dickall when they win.

Bap33 says

Dan8267 says

The southern slavers created modern African-American culture.

nope, drug use and welfare did.

And what history do you think led to drug use and welfare dependency?

Think big picture. The story of our lives is just part of a thread that extends back thousands of years. Well, 13.77 billion years for the full story.

Dan8267 says

White southerners won't let blacks integrate into their communities as long as ghetto culture exists. Blacks won't abandon ghetto culture until they are fully integrated into white society and have all the same opportunities and there is no discrimination.

It sounds like they're at an impasse. Perhaps whites and blacks should separate, fix their houses separately and then talk about how they're going to reintegrate at a future time?

foxmannumber1 says

Blacks are, on average, about 15% less genetically intelligent as whites

The ironic thing is that about 85% of the people who believe this, have an IQ that is at least 15% below average. My guess is that fox is in that 85%

CaptainShuddup says

The Liberals wanted to study and understand them, so they could harness them as political assets

That's about as intelligent as saying that right wingers went along with welfare policies because they had such a strong hate and fear of blacks that they wanted to destroy them by making it too easy for poor blacks to become dependent on the govt dole, and they also thought it would be cheaper than prison.

(because obviously if you aren't going to provide many jobs for blacks (back in the day) better than pushing a broom, crime is going to occur)