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dodgerfanjohn says

OK. I'm def not for everyone.

That person died. It's not funny.

marcus says

Not to say I think it's anything less than extremely evil and off the charts
sick, maybe his thinking was along the lines of, "hey, if everyone is going to
assume that I'm an evil, disposable, dirtbag, then I'll act like one."

someone tell marcus that I do understand and agree with this point he makes. Growing up negro is not easy. But, these days, it is not easy because of how other negros in the recent past and present have been acting. It is not non-negros causing their issue.

marcus says

Would it be better for the media to ignore the outrage that poured out from the black community/media ?

It's all pretend stuff by few blacks who cry victim all day long and take every opportunity to riot so they can rob local liquer stores. Al and Jesse make a good living out of doing that. They did this during Rodney King trials, they also did it every year when Lakers won championships.

And Obama double standard, he pretends that rioting blacks are all innocent little lambs who have been hurt by society, but he ignores "a set of experiences" of non blacks or black business owners whose businesses and lives have been destroyed and turned upside down by these same rioting blacks he refers to.

Biggest racists and scourge in this country are ghetto blacks, because their thinking revolves around hating white people or well-off blacks, and taking opportunities to knocking over liqueur stores during riots. They don't better their life through work, they live on welfare and better their life by robbing everyone around them.

dodgerfanjohn - 4,872 points
robertotabias - 0,000 points

absolutly ruined him. ruined. like a hook from Tyson in the first round. ruined.

Bap33 says

dodgerfanjohn - 4,872 points

robertotabias - 0,000 points

absolutly ruined him. ruined. like a hook from Tyson in the first round. ruined.

lol

FortWayne says

But when a white baby in a stroller gets killed by black thugs, there is no parade for justice there... just silence.

When Martin was unjustly murdered, there was no arrest. The police would have let it slide if it were not for a public outcry.

According to the article you posted,

Police have arrested two teenagers suspected in the shooting death of a baby in a stroller and the wounding of the baby's mother.

Brunswick Police Chief Tobe Green said Friday that 17-year-old De'Marquis Elkins is charged with first-degree murder as an adult.

The 14-year-old is also charged with murder, but he was not identified because he is a juvenile.

Two arrested, both being charged with first-degree murder, not manslaughter or second-degree, but first-degree. At least one is being charged as an adult even though he is a minor.

This completely blows away your premise that white democrats ignore murder when the victim is white. If these boys get acquitted like Zimmerman did, there would be a hell of a lot of outrage. But they won't because the mother lived and will testify against them, and no jury is going to be forgiving after hearing her story.

Having read the story, I'm damn outraged at these thugs for what they did, but not for the color of their skin. FortWayne, why are you outraged? Because of their actions or their color? What's important is that they took a life and traumatized another. How much melanin is in their skin doesn't matter for jack diddly shit.

Quigley says

Black culture is a disgrace, producing unwed mothers, gangsters, pimps, players, and whores who then produce the next generation of traumatized children.

Any subculture that glorifies guns and violence and stupidity is bad.

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

But when a white baby in a stroller gets killed by black thugs, there is no parade for justice there... just silence.

When Martin was unjustly murdered, there was no arrest. The police would have let it slide if it were not for a public outcry.

Just a slight quibble on semantics, but according to court and jury, there was not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the need to kill TM was "unjust".

Actually I'm not even sure how one would legislate "just" vs. "unjust" so lets just go ahead and call a spade a spade and say that George Zimmerman was acting in self defense.

At least thats what 5/6 jurors have said(the 6th hasn't publicly spoken AFAIK), and oh yeah, what basically every criminal defense lawyer in the country has said.

marcus says

And the biggest racist moron on patnet award goes tooooo (drumroll)....

FortWayne says

Biggest racists and scourge in this country are ghetto blacks, because their thinking revolves around hating white people or well-off blacks, and taking opportunities to knocking over liqueur stores during riots. They don't better their life through work, they live on welfare and better their life by robbing everyone around them.

Goran_K says

Speaking of double standards, can you guys guess which senator co-sponsored a similar "Stand your ground law" in Illinois?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/22/then-sen-obama-co-sponsored-stand-your-ground-law-/

Its ok for Progressives to flip flop on issues and laws they passed.

you can thank GZ's white supporters for these:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/D4F8ob9nlfY

Where did Roberto go

How so?

Mark D says

you can thank GZ's white supporters for these:

SoftShell says

How so?

Mark D says

you can thank GZ's white supporters for these:

2011 and one of hundreds of racist attacks by blacks that have occurred in the US since 2009 that are not reported nationally on the news.

This kind of thing happens all the time with guns. Black and whites both doing sick things with guns.

How is the media supposed to keep up with each sick shooting?

We have guns and we have all this madness. We have children with guns that only have them because we have a politically powerful Smith and Wesson.

And stupid pussies that love their guns.

Guns level the playing field.
Otherwise the strong will dominate the weak.
Your statement below interprets as "The weak love their guns".
And you call them 'stupid'.
So I must conclude that you are one of the 'strong', and it pisses you off to no end that you cannot dominate the 'armed weak'.
Tough shit for you.

StillLooking says

And stupid pussies that love their guns.

Dan8267 says

Two arrested, both being charged with first-degree murder, not manslaughter or second-degree, but first-degree. At least one is being charged as an adult even though he is a minor.

That's because they were actually guilty. Zimmerman wasn't, as proven by the courts decision... while public lynching outcry from the group of black arsonists was there.

Yet they did not make any cry's or screams to execute the black murderers. It's their racial double standard, blacks can kill their wives (OJ) and other peoples children, but if others fight back such as Zimmerman... it's a problem.

+1

FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

Two arrested, both being charged with first-degree murder, not manslaughter or second-degree, but first-degree. At least one is being charged as an adult even though he is a minor.

That's because they were actually guilty. Zimmerman wasn't, as proven by the courts decision...

SoftShell says

Guns level the playing field.

My father always used this good old quote when I was growing up "God made men, but Sam Colt made them equal."

dodgerfanjohn says

2011 and one of hundreds of racist attacks by blacks that have occurred in the US since 2009 that are not reported nationally on the news.

White on black hate crimes are far higher in number than black on white hate crimes.

However, black on white crime is much, much higher in number than white on black crime.

The disparity between these 2 numbers is that hate crimes are applied at different standards between the 2 races. The whole concept of a white on black hate crime is to punish whites who fight back against black violence.

The overall black crime rate and the black on white crime rate is proof that blacks are more violent than whites and hate white life.

Dan8267 says

When Martin was unjustly murdered, there was no arrest. The police would have let it slide if it were not for a public outcry.

IMO, the public outrage for no arrest was justified. When an unarmed teen is killed, and you find the person who did the killing, there should be a trial unless there is overwhelming evidence that the killing was justified (e.g., multiple eyewitnesses or something). Here there were certainly questions that deserved to be handled in court. Unfortunately, the media took it too far and convicted Zimm before the case was actually heard. They set everyone up for outrage and caused this whole thing to be a mess. It should have been simple: arrest, trial, no conviction due to unfortunate lack of evidence, move on.

FortWayne says

Yet they did not make any cry's or screams to execute the black murderers. It's their racial double standard, blacks can kill their wives (OJ) and other peoples children, but if others fight back such as Zimmerman... it's a problem.

I don't know who the "they" are that you are talking about. I can say that I did not call for the death penalty in Zimmerman's case. First, it was a second-degree murder case, not a first-degree one. Second, the murder has to be particularly heinous to warrant the death penalty. The Zimmerman case doesn't meet that criteria. Third, I'm against the death penalty at least for the most part, although there are a few situations were even I sometimes part of me thinks it might be warranted.

But we can certainly agree that the Zimmerman case has shown a severe divide in racial issues still exists in our country.

I find the verdict and trial disappointing, but I believe the jury's hands were tied. This was a failure of law enforcement from day one. There should have been better evidence and a better case made. I'm disappointed that "self-defense" was accepted as reasonable defense by the instigator of the entire situation. That disappointment has nothing to do with Zimmerman being a white Hispanic or Martin being black. I think that the vast majority of whites who are disappointed in the outcome are so for the same reason.

But yes, there certainly is a racial prism that about a third of white Americans (mostly conservative) and almost all black Americans are seeing this case through. There's no denying that.

ch_tah2 says

IMO, the public outrage for no arrest was justified. When an unarmed teen is killed, and you find the person who did the killing, there should be a trial unless there is overwhelming evidence that the killing was justified (e.g., multiple eyewitnesses or something).

Yes, and that was most people were calling for: a fair and open trial. And we got that.

Most of the disappointment I think is in the failed law enforcement in gathering evidence. I think that most people agree the jury did their best and had to reach the conclusion they did under the law based on the trial and disappointingly inconclusive evidence such as not being able to confirm who was crying for help.

Dan8267 says

Most of the disappointment I think is in the failed law enforcement in gathering evidence. I think that most people agree the jury did their best and had to reach the conclusion they did under the law based on the trial and disappointingly inconclusive evidence such as not being able to confirm who was crying for help.

Do you have specific points of the police's failures? The only thing I remember the defense pointing to was something about the clothes being stored in a plastic bag instead of a paper bag or something causing DNA testing to be inaccurate.

Dan8267 says

I don't know who the "they" are that you are talking about. I can say that I did not call for the death penalty in Zimmerman's case.

Dan you are not part of the "ghetto LA" crowd. You are in FL. But there are certain groups of people out here in our city that go up in arms every time a situation involves a black man and a non black man, or whenever our basketball team wins. Some of them actually believe in their own racist BS, most just use that an excuse to create the opportunity to destroy and rob local businesses.

It wasn't the first time they did this, this process happens often enough that police out here already knows how to look out for these mobs and arrest them.

Dan8267 says

But we can certainly agree that the Zimmerman case has shown a severe divide in racial issues still exists in our country

To give blacks credit, they are racially aware and never stray from the group think when it comes to voting or public opinions. Any public vote or opinion involving a black will always have solid black support over 85%.

Whites think for themselves and as such are divided between sex and politics being the main group dividers. If whites showed the same racial solidarity as blacks are allowed to this country would be a better place.

The most glaring is not giving zimmerman the usual assortment of drug tests. That should be standard OP for any shooting.

ch_tah2 says

Dan8267 says

Most of the disappointment I think is in the failed law enforcement in gathering evidence. I think that most people agree the jury did their best and had to reach the conclusion they did under the law based on the trial and disappointingly inconclusive evidence such as not being able to confirm who was crying for help.

Do you have specific points of the police's failures?

You have it reversed.
If Blacks thought for themselves, instead of following whatever sharpton/jackson dish up, there would be very few protests over the zimmerman verdict, and the country would be in a better place.
For that matter, so would black people.

foxmannumber1 says

If whites showed the same racial solidarity as blacks are allowed to this country would be a better place.

I don't want 85 average IQ people thinking for themselves. They will most likely get it wrong.

I want 100 average IQ people making their decisions for them.

Hmmm. You have a valid point.
Maybe we should amend the laws so there is a minimum IQ level required to vote.

foxmannumber1 says

I don't want 85 average IQ people thinking for themselves. They will most likely get it wrong.

I want 100 average IQ people making their decisions for them.

ch_tah2 says

Do you have specific points of the police's failures?

NY Times has a good article on this. NPR also covered that, but it's harder to find links to radiocasts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-case-shadowed-by-police-missteps.html?pagewanted=all&_r=patrick.net

FortWayne says

Dan you are not part of the "ghetto LA" crowd. You are in FL.

Trust me, there are plenty of ghettos in Florida. Pretty much everything within half a mile of the train tracks on either side.

Federal Hwy is ghetto on west side and mansions on the east side.

foxmannumber1 says

To give blacks credit, they are racially aware and never stray from the group think when it comes to voting or public opinions. Any public vote or opinion involving a black will always have solid black support over 85%.

Yes, I believe that culture is a reaction to the extreme suppression of their entire race for several hundred years. It's a bad reaction, but what can you expect. The southern slavers created modern African-American culture.

I believe living blacks are responsible for their own actions.

To blame slave owners for Tyrone shooting Jamal daily is a weak argument. It alleviates all black criminals of personal responsibility to say that they kill people because their great great great great grandparents may have been slaves.

Dan8267 says

NY Times has a good article on this. NPR also covered that, but it's harder to find links to radiocasts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-case-shadowed-by-police-missteps.html?pagewanted=all&_r=patrick.net

From reading that article, the only thing big thing that the police did wrong was not test Z for alc/drugs (as softshell said). The rest seems like someone made a list to be able to write an article. They admit the police have no control over the rain, yet still included it in the list. After all, a list with 5 points looks better than 4. Sure, in a perfect world the police could have done things perfectly (and it wouldn't have rained!!!), but I don't see anything that would have changed the outcome of the case.

foxmannumber1 says

To blame slave owners for Tyrone shooting Jamal daily is a weak argument.

Yes it's ridiculous and I doubt anyone is doing that.

But ignoring the historical context and broader reasons for those poorer blacks who have fallen in to pattern of welfare dependency, bad attitudes, drugs, single parent families, and tendencies toward crime, and then to seemingly attribute all of these as being somehow an innate racial predisposition ?

I assume that's what you and fortwayne think.

You'll cite those who have pulled themself out of the ghetto as an example that somehow proves that everyone should be able to, or some such bs.

These are complicated issues. Questions come up, such as, should those who don't expect to be able to make a good living, have children? Should we have a system that enables or even incentivises them to, but in such bad economic conditions that this culture we're talking about gets perpetuated?

How to turn that around is no small question. Especially now, when the short and medium term economic prospects are not as good as they once were.

It's not that "libruls" don't understand the situation. We just see the whole thing in all it's complexity and don't make such emotional and biased kneejerk judgments.

There will always be people who cling to belief in a lie because either they wish for it to be true, or they are afraid that it is true. It's pretty easy to spot the posters who fall into this category on this thread. The ones who drag up speculation as evidence, who assert improbable theories as fact, and who ignore all truth that would prove them wrong.
The rest of you can try to reason with them, but you'll get absolutely nowhere. They have their heads firmly buried and have no interest in reality.

marcus says

But ignoring the historical context and broader reasons for those poorer blacks who have fallen in to pattern of welfare dependency, bad attitudes, drugs, single parent families, and tendencies toward crime, and then to seemingly attribute all of these as being somehow an innate racial predisposition ?

Keep making excuses for them marcus, it's what these people do best in their life... make excuses.

This is a very nice explanation for why the Liberal Zimmerman "hoodie profiled" Martin.

Given that Zimmerman has a rich, proven background in tutoring and helping blacks, even dating a nice looking lady, it's pretty much a fact he is not a racist.

Zimmerman saw Martin in his hoodie taking forever to walk back to his fathers girlfriends house in the dark in the rain in a high crime apartment complex, and as a Liberal, "understood the situation, seeing the whole thing in all it's complexity", and doing his duty as community watch person, called in the situation to the police.

Thanks for the accurate analysis Marcus!

marcus says

It's not that "libruls" don't understand the situation. We just see the whole thing in all it's complexity"

Quigley says

The ones who drag up speculation as evidence, who assert improbable theories as fact, and who ignore all truth that would prove them wrong.

Who's doing any of those things ?
Quigley says

The rest of you can try to reason with them, but you'll get absolutely nowhere. They have their heads firmly buried and have no interest in reality.

Being self righteous and talking like a know it all while simultaneously showing off your lack of reasoning skills, doesn't make you any less of a dimbulb.