patrick.net

I don't want 85 average IQ people thinking for themselves. They will most likely get it wrong.

I want 100 average IQ people making their decisions for them.

Hmmm. You have a valid point.
Maybe we should amend the laws so there is a minimum IQ level required to vote.

foxmannumber1 says

I don't want 85 average IQ people thinking for themselves. They will most likely get it wrong.

I want 100 average IQ people making their decisions for them.

ch_tah2 says

Do you have specific points of the police's failures?

NY Times has a good article on this. NPR also covered that, but it's harder to find links to radiocasts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-case-shadowed-by-police-missteps.html?pagewanted=all&_r=patrick.net

FortWayne says

Dan you are not part of the "ghetto LA" crowd. You are in FL.

Trust me, there are plenty of ghettos in Florida. Pretty much everything within half a mile of the train tracks on either side.

Federal Hwy is ghetto on west side and mansions on the east side.

foxmannumber1 says

To give blacks credit, they are racially aware and never stray from the group think when it comes to voting or public opinions. Any public vote or opinion involving a black will always have solid black support over 85%.

Yes, I believe that culture is a reaction to the extreme suppression of their entire race for several hundred years. It's a bad reaction, but what can you expect. The southern slavers created modern African-American culture.

I believe living blacks are responsible for their own actions.

To blame slave owners for Tyrone shooting Jamal daily is a weak argument. It alleviates all black criminals of personal responsibility to say that they kill people because their great great great great grandparents may have been slaves.

Dan8267 says

NY Times has a good article on this. NPR also covered that, but it's harder to find links to radiocasts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-case-shadowed-by-police-missteps.html?pagewanted=all&_r=patrick.net

From reading that article, the only thing big thing that the police did wrong was not test Z for alc/drugs (as softshell said). The rest seems like someone made a list to be able to write an article. They admit the police have no control over the rain, yet still included it in the list. After all, a list with 5 points looks better than 4. Sure, in a perfect world the police could have done things perfectly (and it wouldn't have rained!!!), but I don't see anything that would have changed the outcome of the case.

foxmannumber1 says

To blame slave owners for Tyrone shooting Jamal daily is a weak argument.

Yes it's ridiculous and I doubt anyone is doing that.

But ignoring the historical context and broader reasons for those poorer blacks who have fallen in to pattern of welfare dependency, bad attitudes, drugs, single parent families, and tendencies toward crime, and then to seemingly attribute all of these as being somehow an innate racial predisposition ?

I assume that's what you and fortwayne think.

You'll cite those who have pulled themself out of the ghetto as an example that somehow proves that everyone should be able to, or some such bs.

These are complicated issues. Questions come up, such as, should those who don't expect to be able to make a good living, have children? Should we have a system that enables or even incentivises them to, but in such bad economic conditions that this culture we're talking about gets perpetuated?

How to turn that around is no small question. Especially now, when the short and medium term economic prospects are not as good as they once were.

It's not that "libruls" don't understand the situation. We just see the whole thing in all it's complexity and don't make such emotional and biased kneejerk judgments.

There will always be people who cling to belief in a lie because either they wish for it to be true, or they are afraid that it is true. It's pretty easy to spot the posters who fall into this category on this thread. The ones who drag up speculation as evidence, who assert improbable theories as fact, and who ignore all truth that would prove them wrong.
The rest of you can try to reason with them, but you'll get absolutely nowhere. They have their heads firmly buried and have no interest in reality.

marcus says

But ignoring the historical context and broader reasons for those poorer blacks who have fallen in to pattern of welfare dependency, bad attitudes, drugs, single parent families, and tendencies toward crime, and then to seemingly attribute all of these as being somehow an innate racial predisposition ?

Keep making excuses for them marcus, it's what these people do best in their life... make excuses.

This is a very nice explanation for why the Liberal Zimmerman "hoodie profiled" Martin.

Given that Zimmerman has a rich, proven background in tutoring and helping blacks, even dating a nice looking lady, it's pretty much a fact he is not a racist.

Zimmerman saw Martin in his hoodie taking forever to walk back to his fathers girlfriends house in the dark in the rain in a high crime apartment complex, and as a Liberal, "understood the situation, seeing the whole thing in all it's complexity", and doing his duty as community watch person, called in the situation to the police.

Thanks for the accurate analysis Marcus!

marcus says

It's not that "libruls" don't understand the situation. We just see the whole thing in all it's complexity"

Quigley says

The ones who drag up speculation as evidence, who assert improbable theories as fact, and who ignore all truth that would prove them wrong.

Who's doing any of those things ?
Quigley says

The rest of you can try to reason with them, but you'll get absolutely nowhere. They have their heads firmly buried and have no interest in reality.

Being self righteous and talking like a know it all while simultaneously showing off your lack of reasoning skills, doesn't make you any less of a dimbulb.

The historical context is that their great great great great grandfathers were rescued from Africa on the condition that they work for something they didn't understand.

All of a sudden they were told they were equal to this thing they didn't understand or help shape(modern civilization) and did what came natural to their instincts once they were given citizenship(welfare dependency, bad attitudes, drugs, single parent families, and tendencies toward crime).

It is not a complicated issue. Blacks are, on average, about 15% less genetically intelligent as whites. This is the root cause of all black problems that white people seem to not have at all, or to a much lesser degree. Black problems will never be fixed due to this genetic difference.

Liberals refuse to believe that we are all not equal and do their best to make unequal things equal at great expense to whites.

The best description of blacks is that they are overgrown children. If you spoil them and do not discipline them they run wild and destroy the home. They then come crying to mommy and daddy, in this case "white people", to fix their problems once they screw up.

If the parents have a consistent and heavy hand in their discipline and daily life then you will have an orderly home but the child will be unhappy.

FortWayne says

Keep making excuses for them marcus, it's what these people do best in their life... make excuses.

It's not like I thought you would consider (let alone comprehend) my comment in it's entirety.

foxmannumber1 says

It is not a complicated issue. Blacks are, on average, about 15% less genetically intelligent as whites. This is the root cause of all black problems that white people seem to not have at all, or to a much lesser degree. Black problems will never be fixed due to this genetic difference.

Okay, we have a new champion.

foxmannumber1 says

The best description of blacks is that they are overgrown children. If you spoil them and do not discipline them they run wild and destroy the home. They then come crying to mommy and daddy, in this case "white people", to fix their problems once they screw up.

Dan8267 says

The southern slavers created modern African-American culture.

nope, drug use and welfare did.

foxmannumber1 says

I believe living blacks are responsible for their own actions.

Actions yes, the situation they were born into no. The police brutality they've experienced, no.

Ultimately, the problem of ghetto culture is a catch-22. The south refused to let blacks integrate into culture for over a hundred years after the Civil War and used the court systems and the police to terrorize blacks. As a result, blacks established a tribal culture of us vs. them based on distrust of the police and the courts and the use of guns and violence to protect themselves, not that dissimilar to white conservative southerners clinging to their guns. As legal financially gainful opportunities were not available to most blacks, they turned to illegal economic opportunities. Hence the high crime rate and drug trade.

Here's the catch-22. White southerners won't let blacks integrate into their communities as long as ghetto culture exists. Blacks won't abandon ghetto culture until they are fully integrated into white society and have all the same opportunities and there is no discrimination. But as long as ghetto culture exists, there will be white fear and prejudice, and a lack of economic opportunities.

Imagine if there wasn't the long history of police abuse. If that were the case, Martin would most likely have called 911 instead of his girlfriend. Then when Zimmerman approached, Martin could say, "the police are on their way to arrest your ass, bitch and 911 is recording this conversation" and then proceeded to give a physical description of Zimmerman. In that situation, Zimmerman wouldn't dare pull out his gun. So, you see, this particular event was the result of 300 years of American history converging to a point. And that's the big picture.

foxmannumber1 says

The overall black crime rate and the black on white crime rate is proof that
blacks are more violent than whites and hate white life.

100% on the mark.

Someone talk about Michael Madison after this. Yep, I'm still barking about it.

Dan8267 says

The southern slavers created modern African-American culture.

Nope most of the crime and gangs started in Northern cities, and was glorified by Liberal documentaries. The Liberals wanted to study and understand them, so they could harness them as political assets, rather than reform or punish them. Once they understood how they could use that criminal element to advance their Liberal cause, it spread like cancer through out the US.

Don't forget, that with out clear Civil rights violations and oppressors Liberals have no definition or purpose.
That is why Obama is working overtime to rip a rift through the race relations in this country, so they can be relevant again.

Because they are failing as champions for the poor. They only need them to get elected by promising the company store, then giving them dickall when they win.

Bap33 says

Dan8267 says

The southern slavers created modern African-American culture.

nope, drug use and welfare did.

And what history do you think led to drug use and welfare dependency?

Think big picture. The story of our lives is just part of a thread that extends back thousands of years. Well, 13.77 billion years for the full story.

Dan8267 says

White southerners won't let blacks integrate into their communities as long as ghetto culture exists. Blacks won't abandon ghetto culture until they are fully integrated into white society and have all the same opportunities and there is no discrimination.

It sounds like they're at an impasse. Perhaps whites and blacks should separate, fix their houses separately and then talk about how they're going to reintegrate at a future time?

foxmannumber1 says

Blacks are, on average, about 15% less genetically intelligent as whites

The ironic thing is that about 85% of the people who believe this, have an IQ that is at least 15% below average. My guess is that fox is in that 85%

CaptainShuddup says

The Liberals wanted to study and understand them, so they could harness them as political assets

That's about as intelligent as saying that right wingers went along with welfare policies because they had such a strong hate and fear of blacks that they wanted to destroy them by making it too easy for poor blacks to become dependent on the govt dole, and they also thought it would be cheaper than prison.

(because obviously if you aren't going to provide many jobs for blacks (back in the day) better than pushing a broom, crime is going to occur)

Dan8267 says

Bap33
says

Dan8267
says

The southern slavers created modern African-American culture.

nope, drug use and welfare did.

And what history do you think led to drug use and welfare dependency?

Think big picture. The story of our lives is just part of a thread that
extends back thousands of years. Well, 13.77 billion years for the full
story.

You'd think some of the morons here would have hemmrhoids as much stuff as they pull from their ass.

Gangs? Try ethnic gangs, and dominated by whites first.

Drugs? Notice how certain drugs were outlawed to keep certain races/ethnic groups at a disadvantage. California was first with outlawing heroin to knock down the Chinese immigrants that had prospered.

Welfare? Go to the USDA web site and it's broken down by congressional district. Hint: By far THE biggest group of people collecting welfare is white, and it's very high in the South in the red states especially.

Welfare by volume?, sure there are more "whites" on aide than non-whites.
Welfare by percentage of total population?, non-whites FAR outnumber whites. And negros are the highest percent vs negro population. No reason to use false numbers.

Welfare is bad for both groups. Trailer park white trash, non-white trash, and negro trash all do the same anti-social destructive crap. Drugs, lazy, breeding, violence, vandalism, crime, murder ... same same same. Remove drugs and welfare and those folks will have to act more civil to survive, or be hung for attacking productive people, or for attacking the politicians that have been lying to them.

upisdown says

Gangs? Try ethnic gangs, and dominated by whites first.

In the US? Of course white gangs were here first. This country was founded by white people for white people. Naturally since whites were here first they also created the first gangs.

I wouldn't call Chinese building railroads as prospering.

Blacks collect a disproportionate amount of welfare based on their population. All those southern "red" states also have the highest concentration of blacks.

How are southern states still red, even with much higher population percentages of blacks, who are all blue democrats? Could it be that daily exposure to blacks makes one more "red"?

Bap33 says

Welfare by percentage of total population?, non-whites FAR outnumber whites. And
negros are the highest percent vs negro population. No reason to use false
numbers.

Now you're just lying.

Prove your claim, and straight from the source, the USDA.

usda ?? you only count food stamps as welfare?? really?

well, lets go ahead and toss in medical, section 8, WIC, EBT, head start, free school and free dental, and free bus passes. Now, ready?

foxmannumber1 says

How are southern states still red, even with much higher population
percentages of blacks, who are all blue democrats? Could it be that daily
exposure to blacks makes one more "red"?

Because most don't vote, and what few can and do, the right wing is selectively trying to abolish that. If your Jim Crow brethern truly got their way, phony compensation laws and indentured servitutde would come back again.

Just your Welfare Demographics. Percent of recipients who are white, 38.8 %. Percent of recipients who are black, 39.8 %. Percent of recipients who are Hispanic, 15.7 %.

Since negros are only 12% of the population, there is nothing more I need add. If you can read and understand simple data.

If you continue, I will get the other stuff and make you look really silly. Almost as silly as roberto.

Bap33 says

usda ?? you only count food stamps as welfare?? really?

well, lets go ahead and toss in medical, section 8, WIC, EBT, head start, free school and free dental, and free bus passes. Now, ready?

As long as the stats and figures are complete and from the issuing authority.

oh, my bad, heres a link:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Bap33 says

Just your Welfare Demographics. Percent of recipients who are white, 38.8 %.
Percent of recipients who are black, 39.8 %. Percent of recipients who are
Hispanic, 15.7 %.

Since negros are only 12% of the population, there is nothing more I need
add. If you can read and understand simple data.

If you continue, I will get the other stuff and make you look really silly.
Almost as silly as roberto.

Pulling those figures from where?????

Bap33 says

oh, my bad, heres a link:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Really??? How about from the issuing authority, instead of some ideological based screwball site.

from the link above:
"total number of US States where welfare pays MORE than the average teacher salery 9. 9!!! WHat a friggin disgusting joke welfare is on the working people.

upisdown says

Bap33 says

oh, my bad, heres a link:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Really??? How about from the issuing authority, instead of some ideological based screwball site.

lol .. you must have missed the "Statistics Varified" and all the info under it?? You are a fraud if you suggest my info is biased.

copy from link:

Statistic Verification
Source: US Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Commerce, CATO Institute
Date Verified: 10.15.2012
Welfare is the organized public or private social services for the assistance of disadvantaged groups. Aid could include general Welfare payments, health care through Medicaid, food stamps, special payments for pregnant women and young mothers, and federal and state housing benefits. The Welfare system in the United States began in the 1930s, during the Great Depression. Opponents of Welfare argue that it affects work incentives.

friggin idiot

Bap33 says

And negros are the highest percent vs negro population.

Bap33's word usage says all you need to know about his racial views.

Bap33 says

CATO Institute

upisdown says

Really??? How about from the issuing authority, instead of some ideological
based screwball site.

Dumbass, The CATO Institue isn't some ideaological based group??

marcus says

FortWayne says

Keep making excuses for them marcus, it's what these people do best in their life... make excuses.

It's not like I thought you would consider (let alone comprehend) my comment in it's entirety.

There is nothing else to comprehend, just an excuse train for the criminal and deadbeat behavior of a group of people not willing to help themselves, just sitting waiting for hand outs.