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Bap33 says

or picking up your kids as the bus driver? or coaching your kids soccer team? ..

I really don't care what someone looked like, but I would not want anyone who had allegedly molested their cousin near my kids in any capacity.

Would you feel comfortable leaving your girls in Zimmerman's care?

leo707 says

A couple years ago some woman was attacked at night on the street outside the building I live in. It was somewhat comforting that a lot of people came running out when they heard her screams, and this may come as a shock to you but many of the people coming to help looked like Trayvon.

Just cause someone is a black male does not mean they look like Trayvon Martin.

Ignorant racist.

TM took a 7 week aviation experience class when he was 14.
Great, he attended a camp 3 years before dying.

TM also volunteered at a concession stand during football games.
This was most likely to socialize.

When I see pictures from GZ's phone of him with weed plants, him blowing smoke and smoky Arizona watermelon fruit juice cocktail I'll consider him on the same level as TM.
There are also messages of TM buying weed and codeine.

TM was kicked out of school for missing ~50 days during the 1st 100 days of his last semester.
That is not simply "attendance issues". That is failing for normal white people. I highly doubt TM was 'helping kids' by being absent literally half the school year.

TM did not have facial tattoos, but did have tattoos.
Did TM's parents give written consent for their minor son to get those tattoos?
I would like to see photographs of them to verify its real family members names. I'm sure there's photos of him showing them off.
Googling 'Tracy Martin tattoo' brings up interesting results too.

TM had pictures of unclothed, underage girls on his phone. I'm sure the DOJ is looking into how old these girls were at the time when the photos were taken.

foxmannumber1 says

When I see pictures from GZ's phone of him with weed plants, him blowing smoke
and smoky Arizona watermelon fruit juice cocktail I'll consider him on the same
level as TM.
There are also messages of TM buying weed and codeine

foxmannumber1 says

TM was kicked out of school for missing ~50 days during the 1st 100 days of his
last semester.
That is not simply "attendance issues".

Duh, you just admitted as such.

foxmannumber1 says

TM had pictures of unclothed, underage girls on his phone. I'm sure the DOJ
is looking into how old these girls were at the time when the photos were
taken.

Wow, a lot of baseless and irrelevant statements that are meant to somehow tarnish a person's charactor.

And yet you have proved absolutely NONE of them to be a provable fact, have you??

ONE MORE TIME:

upisdown says

foxmannumber1
says

g about GZ's arrest or domestic violence charge is a mystery.

Again:

upisdown
says

And, do you know why(doubtful at best) there's some sort of record of
the
expungement of an arrest????

The format of your quotes makes it impossible to determine if you have a point or not. If you want me to know something about an expungement of an arrest, just say it.

I believe TM tarnished his own character by his own actions. If there is evidence that any of this is not a fact, please let us know.

I brought up the underage naked girls on TM's phone as someone brought up the alleged molesting of GZ's cousin by GZ when they were both minors.

I think we'll have to wait until GZ kills again for an m1 trial though, won't we?

I'd like to know which serial killers befriended or imitated police and what % of serial killers did so.

foxmannumber1 says

The format of your quotes makes it impossible to determine if you have a
point or not. If you want me to know something about an expungement of an
arrest, just say it.

So you ignore the question, then by your own assertion of something about format claim that as an excuse, only to then reference the issue I have asked you about 3 times. Unbelievable.

So you don't know why there is still a record of the expungement of an arrest, is that correct then?

foxmannumber1 says

I believe TM tarnished his own character by his own actions. If there is
evidence that any of this is not a fact, please let us know.

If there is ANY evidence of this that is a fact, again show the proof.

John Bailo says

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with
violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are
considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced
to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was
also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education
program.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11808013-george-zimmermans-criminal-records-revealed

Yup, and he admitted as such when he agreed to the conditions too.

And now, he'll NEVER hold any federal law enforcement position because of him admitting to the alcohol class condition, because that will be used as grounds for denial of a security clearance. The same goes for the military, too.

Low-level Barney Fife(with his history no department would hire him because of potential liability reasons), or mall cop.

John Bailo says

Trayvon Martin was 17.

"Underage" as defined by statutory rape would only apply to someone younger than age 14.

You should become more familiar with age of consent laws in FL.

No one is saying he had sex with the girls. He possessed an illegal picture of the girls. I don't see this as really relevant, as a lot of young people do it.

John Bailo says

It's also a sign of boredom from those with high intelligence. Many kids of all races will find typical high school boring if they have outgrown it before finishing.

Considering what TM wrote on social media, I think he was an unintelligent person.

I don't believe he was in the library those 50 days he was absent, solving the mysteries of the universe. I think he was walking around and getting high.

foxmannumber1 says

I don't believe he was in the library those 50 days he was absent, solving
the mysteries of the universe. I think he was walking around and getting
high.

Why would you believe that, is it because that's what you did?

We can all play that game.

He's up to no good again...

George Zimmerman helped family get out of overturned car last week in Sanford, Florida, local sheriff's office says.

Why can't he just stay in the car?

CaptainShuddup says

He's up to no good again...

George Zimmerman helped family get out of overturned car last week in Sanford, Florida, local sheriff's office says.

Why can't he just stay in the car?

Shooting them was not an option?

Blurtman says

CaptainShuddup
says

He's up to no good again...

George Zimmerman helped family get out of overturned car last week in
Sanford, Florida, local sheriff's office says.

Why can't he just stay in the car?

Shooting them was not an option?

He hasn't got his gun back yet. A car will have to suffice for now.

upisdown says

And now, he'll NEVER hold any federal law enforcement position because of him admitting to the alcohol class condition, because that will be used as grounds for denial of a security clearance

I can assure you that taking an alcohol education course, even with a misdemeanor conviction for something like DUI, will not get a security clearance denied. Felonies are another thing entirely.

Alcohol education classes exist to educate people and give them a second chance, not to turn off life paths entirely for them.

foxmannumber1 says

upisdown
says

And now, he'll NEVER hold any federal law enforcement position because of him
admitting to the alcohol class condition, because that will be used as grounds
for denial of a security clearance

I can assure you that taking an alcohol education course, even with a
misdemeanor conviction for something like DUI, will not get a security clearance
denied. Felonies are another thing entirely.

Then "assure" me. Did you even READ what I posted about fed LEO positions???
You know how I know that you're pulling that out of your ass, other than you avoiding the question 3 times, it's standard info to join any branch of the military, and if you had ever been in any branch of the military, you'd know that. And you'd know what has to be done to mitigate the record of that expungement.

John Bailo says

Illegal picture when it's not illegal for him as a 17 year old?

The sexual photo of a naked underage person is not allowed to exist, even if the person possessing the photo is within the "age of consent" for the 2 people to have sex.

The girls get charged with producing child pornography. If TM gave that photo out to someone outside the age of consent, he could be charged with distributing child pornography.

I agree that it is extreme.

upisdown says

Then "assure" me. Did you even READ what I posted about fed LEO positions???

You know how I know that you're pulling that out of your ass, other than you avoiding the question 3 times, it's standard info to join any branch of the military, and if you had ever been in any branch of the military, you'd know that. And you'd know what has to be done to mitigate the record of that expungement.

I agree with you on the military part. No need to mention it.

GZ never applied for a federal LEO position, only for a VA state trooper position.

Again, he was denied because of poor credit and nothing stemming from his legal charges.

John Bailo says

If George Zimmerman gave it out he would be charged as well.

But neither of those things happened.

We'll know for sure once they give out all the evidence they collected during the trial.

Even I don't think the nudie pics of girls on TM's phone is a big deal. TM has nothing to worry about anymore.

foxmannumber1 says

GZ never applied for a federal LEO position, only for a VA state trooper
position.

Again, he was denied because of poor credit and nothing stemming from his
legal charges.

I never implied that GZ had ever applied in the past or intended to in the future, for a federal LEO position. I wonder why. (I actually do know why, but you don't.)

The same may apply to the VSP, but I have not checked. Apparently VSP's standards aren't that of most states or he wouldn't have applied.

Update: VSP's standards accept HSgrad or GED, but college is PREFERRED9yes they capitalized the word). How pathetic.

No, there is no proof that she still had any 'innocence' at the time of the alleged molestation. You can't steal what they don't have.

leo707 says

I suppose you could include when Zimmerman stole the innocence of his cousin by allegedly repeatedly molesting her

SoftShell says

No, there is no proof that she still had any 'innocence' at the time of the alleged molestation. You can't steal what they don't have.

leo707 says

I suppose you could include when Zimmerman stole the innocence of his cousin by allegedly repeatedly molesting her

Anybody else having trouble responding to this one?

Sounds like you were profiling the cavalry ....
Whazzup with that??

leo707 says

It was somewhat comforting that a lot of people came running out when they heard her screams, and this may come as a shock to you but many of the people coming to help looked like Trayvon.

HydroCabron says

SoftShell says

No, there is no proof that she still had any 'innocence' at the time of the alleged molestation. You can't steal what they don't have.

leo707 says

I suppose you could include when Zimmerman stole the innocence of his cousin by allegedly repeatedly molesting her

Anybody else having trouble responding to this one?

Yeah it is unsettling, the only people I have ever heard make those types of comments towards abused children have been confessing molesters.

It's shocking, isn't it. Good.

That's the type of comment you expose yourself to when you bring up unsubstantiated charges against GZ 21 years after the supposed incidents, pretrial, and used by the prosecution in an obvious attempt to run a smear campaign against the defendant.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE86F0YV20120716

If this charge had any basis in fact, she would have brought it up well before this trial.

SoftShell says

leo707 says

I suppose you could include when Zimmerman stole the innocence of his cousin by allegedly repeatedly molesting her

leo707 says

Yeah it is unsettling, the only people I have ever heard make those types of comments towards abused children have been confessing molesters.

"It is not immediately clear why prosecutors released the molestation allegation or whether they plan to use it in court if Zimmerman goes on trial."

Oh, it's not clear at all. Right.

This proves the wife was the one stalking martin....
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/us/george-zimmerman-detained/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

SoftShell says

If this charge had any basis in fact, she would have brought it up well before this trial.

Yes, because we know that it is unheard of for a child who has been a victim of a serial molester to stay silent for years.

Let me guess you are a big fan of Penn State Football, and can't wait to see Sandusky exonerated from all those false charges. Or, perhaps you work within the Catholic church...

SoftShell says

This proves the wife was the one stalking martin....

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/us/george-zimmerman-detained/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Right, just like Zimmerman's was the victim of his first fiance's stalking; and that damn cop that was stalking him as well; and that drunk woman who stalked him while he worked security; and how Trayvon Martin was stalking Zimmerman -- yeah, Zim must be walking around with a "please stalk me" sign stuck to his back.

Also, I am sure that, his soon to be ex-wife, after having already gone on the record for lying to protect Zimmerman learned her lesson and will not lie for Zimmerman ever again. Of course she was lying when she called 911 because that is what always happens during a domestic dispute; a woman calls 911, pretends to be scared and lies, but then the truth only comes out only after the cops arrive. Isn't that right SoftShell?

SoftShell says

No, there is no proof that she still had any 'innocence' at the time of the alleged molestation. You can't steal what they don't have.

SoftShell says

It's shocking, isn't it. Good.

Yeah, it is always shocking when someone makes comments like that, and regardless of how clinical and jaded one becomes it always should be. You really do expose your soul when you make comments like that. I know it is a reality, but it is truly disgusting to be reminded that people actually think that way.

Let, me guess you think she was older than her "chronological age" right? You don't happen to do any Judicial work in Montana do you?

Wow.
You are so jaded you cannot even recognize a sarcastic comical post.
I feel sorry for you.

leo707 says

SoftShell says

This proves the wife was the one stalking martin....

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/us/george-zimmerman-detained/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Right, just like Zimmerman's was the victim of his first fiance's stalking;

I see Zimmerman's temper problem yet again returned to the fore with this ex situation.

I bet this guy is in the news again within the year for more bullshit.

There's a reason he was never accepted as a cop.

funny ..... are we to trust everything Shellie Z has to say because she has a uterus, or because she is white, or because she is attacking GZ, or because if obama had a mom she would look like Shellie?

freaked out women ruin lives without remorse, or as a better writer put it, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

When the arabs take over she will be stoned for such actions.

It's the weirdest thing: everyone is lying about Zimmermann, including the wife who perjured herself for him.

What are the odds?

Time to end this stupid paranoid fixation on racism and troubled families and just give em a rest. It's nobody's business anyways. If people would get only 10% as worked up about the financial crimes committed by the bankstas, the Fed plus all the other crimes by this administration, we could actually have a meaningful movement here - but no, it's more like: "hey, I spotted 2 suspected cases of racism (or any other -ism) over there, let's make a big stink out of it and go apeshit although we don't really know shit about it" ;)

How about just a little bit longer till we break the 1300 post mark...
what's the patnet record for thread posts?

mell says

Time to end this stupid paranoid fixation on racism and troubled families and just give em a rest.

thunderlips11 says

I see Zimmerman's temper problem yet again returned to the fore with this ex situation.

I bet this guy is in the news again within the year for more bullshit.

There's a reason he was never accepted as a cop.

Of course, we can choose to ignore his Myspace ramblings, and his 2 speeding violations since his acquittal, or his visiting the gun manufacturer that made the murder weapon. But what is the motive to ignore these things?

The right's desperation to exonerate a guy no matter what? Would they try so hard to exonerate him if he had killed a white teen?

Would they try so hard to exonerate a black man if he had killed a white man?

Likely not, since the data has shown that the black man gets punished for jaywalking and pot smoking, while the white man goes free.

The data illustrates a that a black person's life is worth less in our justice system.

And the right wants to preserve their privilege at all costs.

Wanna bet he does something even more foolish within a year? And what will the predictable response be? Callers are standing by.

thunderlips11 says

I see Zimmerman's temper problem yet again returned to the fore with this ex
situation.

I bet this guy is in the news again within the year for more bullshit.

There's a reason he was never accepted as a cop.

Yup, and 99.999% of the wanna-bees like him can't pass the psych tests and evaluations. We used to call them "jailers", although the formal term is correctional officer. They also have the propensity to bully/abuse others that are inferior to them rather often too.

Zimmerman has proven that over and over again, and used a weapon when things weren't decidedly in his favor when he chose the wrong person to try and make a victim of. He'll do it again, as evidenced above. They always do.

upisdown says

thunderlips11
says

I see Zimmerman's temper problem yet again returned to the fore with this
ex
situation.

I bet this guy is in the news again within the year for more
bullshit.

There's a reason he was never accepted as a cop.

Yup, and 99.999% of the wanna-bees like him can't pass the psych tests and
evaluations. We used to call them "jailers", although the formal term is
correctional officer. They also have the propensity to bully/abuse others that
are inferior to them rather often too.

Zimmerman has proven that over and over again, and used a weapon when things
weren't decidedly in his favor when he chose the wrong person to try and make a
victim of. He'll do it again, as evidenced above. They always do.

We were both right, as Zimmerman has done it again.

Zimmerman charged with aggravated assault

http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-arrested-again-195031198.html

George Zimmerman, acquitted four months ago in the killing of Trayvon Martin, was arrested on Monday after his girlfriend called 911 during a domestic dispute, telling police he broke a table in her home and pointed a long-barreled shotgun at her.

Zimmerman, 30, was booked into Seminole County Jail, where he is being held without bail. He was charged with aggravated assault with a weapon — a felony — and battery and criminal mischief.