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lol .. GZ past is in play?? TM past must be too. So, lets compair shall we.
WHo volunteers to help others?
Who is a thief?
Who put himself in harms way and made himself a target in an effort to help police curb crime in his area?
Who smokes dope on the regular?
Who called 911?
Who called his boo instead of 911 and called someone "cracker"?
Who was kicked out of school - twice?
Who had facial tatoos?
Who tutored young negro children?

now ... here's one for ya ... who would you rather see standing behind you at the ATM? or standing in the dark at the end of your driveway if you lived in that hood? or picking up your kids as the bus driver? or coaching your kids soccer team? ..... you liberal pukes suck .. the lot of ya.

Michael Madison .. please google this story .. I'm starting to sound troll-ish on this story but nobody is responding about it and it REALLY matters.

foxmannumber1 says

I brought up GZ's father being a magistrate because it is a common false
rebuttal to the charges being dropped.

Anybody with half a brain know his(GZ's) dad was irrelevant in that. If his dad had ANY influence he wouldn't have been painted into a corner by the prosecutor with a choice of:

take a resisting arrest charge and/or assault on a p.o.
OR
take an alcohol class(admit guilt to an extent/charactor flaw)and the charges will be dropped
considering he was wanting to go into a law enforcement career

AT that point, it was decided for him by others, that he would never hold a federal LEO job, and be lucky to be anything greater than a rent-a-cop(security guard)

Without the either/or scenario, because of HIPAA laws nobody would have ever known about his alcohol treatment, unless of course if he was asked under a condition of perjury

if Obama had a negro brother he would look like Michael Madison

Michael Madison is more proof that debunks the myth that only whites are serial killers.

Concerning GZ's alcohol treatment class, I don't think HIPAA applies. Anyone who gets a DUI or similar and has to attend alcohol education classes isn't shielded by HIPAA.

GZ did not enter a drug rehabilitation clinic nor was he never under the care of a doctor for this incident. He took a class to educate himself about abusing alcohol.

GZ was turned down by the VA state troopers because he had poor credit. No other factors were listed on his rejection letter.

foxmannumber1 says

erning GZ's alcohol treatment class, I don't think HIPAA applies. Anyone who
gets a DUI or similar and has to attend alcohol education classes isn't shielded
by HIPAA.

You're right. But without it being mandated by the court, how would ANYBODY ever know(unless the conditions above apply)?

foxmannumber1 says

GZ was turned down by the VA state troopers because he had poor credit. No
other factors were listed on his rejection letter.

lol, THAT was why. Credit checks have only recently been employed to use as an out for not hiring some idiot that they don't want, and it won't be susceptible to any court challenge on any grounds.

foxmannumber1 says

g about GZ's arrest or domestic violence charge is a mystery.

Again:

upisdown says

And, do you know why(doubtful at best) there's some sort of record of the
expungement of an arrest????

SoftShell says

On Murder charges, not on 'wrongful death' charges.

Being innocent of the murder charges does not exclude prosecution on the "wrongful death" charge.

Otherwise, how could OJ have been found "innocent" of murder, yet still be charged with "wrongful death"??

I tutored Leo on this very point awhile ago.

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CL says

After all, how can you bring a man up on charges after he was declared "innocent!"?

Then what is the point of "Declarations of factual innocence"?

http://www.californiacleanrecord.com/what-is-a-california-declaration-of-factual-innocence/

The court does not declare you "innocent". Why not? Because they can't know. They can only say that the evidence did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused committed the crime (acted with malice, etc).

In Zimmerman's case, we know he killed the child. Without the high bar, he will likely be found guilty in the Civil case.

If so, do you call him innocent, even if they find him guilty in a Wrongful Death suit?

I'll argue with Webster's, sure.

Bap33 says

WHo volunteers to help others?

Both.

You might not know, but Trayvon volunteered at a concession stand at a park, and volunteered to help students at a program to get young people involved with aviation. (Trayvon himself had gone through the program -- he was interested in engineering and aviation)

Bap33 says

Who is a thief?

Neither had any type of arrest record for being a thief. There is one suspected indecent where Trayvon might have been involved with theft.

I suppose you could include when Zimmerman stole the innocence of his cousin by allegedly repeatedly molesting her. However, he did say he was sorry...so I guess that is something.

Bap33 says

Who smokes dope on the regular?

Possibly Trayvon, but we don't know for sure. We do know that Zimmerman was taking medications, and has had problems with alcohol in the past. Zim had to go to an alcohol treatment program as part of his deal to get the charges dropped when he assaulted a police officer.

Bap33 says

Who was kicked out of school - twice?

Trayvon was kicked out of school over attendance issues -- nothing violent, and at the time of his death was kicked out for having a bag with pot resedue -- again nothing violent.

We don't know Zimmerman's school record, but we do know he was fired (aka - kicked out) of one job as a security guard for being too aggressive; including one time where Zim threw a drunk woman twisting her ankle.

Bap33 says

Who had facial tatoos?

Neither Zim or TM had facial tattoos. You may be recalling a picture of a rapper that was circulated by right-wing sights and attributed to being Travyon. You were fooled, Trayvon did not have facial tattoos.

Bap33 says

Who tutored young negro children?

Both Trayvon and Zimmerman volunteered to help kids with school programs.

Bap33 says

who would you rather see standing behind you at the ATM? or standing in the dark at the end of your driveway if you lived in that hood? or picking up your kids as the bus driver? or coaching your kids soccer team?

Silly, clearly you live somewhere that isolates you from blacks and I am sure this is your preference as it prevents your daily experience from tainting your pre-conceived notions about people of other races.

To answer your silly question I have on a daily basis interaction with people who look like both Trayvon and Zimmerman. 99% of the interaction is pleasant and polite. When I do have issues 90% of the time it is someone who looks more like Zimmerman (shaved head white/hispanic dude) than Trayvon (black teen in a hoodie).

My kids have had a couple of soccer coaches that look like Trayvon (one was only a substitute coach who I think is the best coach yet, and I will try and go full-time with that coach in the next session) and they have been great coaches that I would not replace simply to have someone who looks like Zimmerman.

A couple years ago some woman was attacked at night on the street outside the building I live in. It was somewhat comforting that a lot of people came running out when they heard her screams, and this may come as a shock to you but many of the people coming to help looked like Trayvon.

Bap33 says

or picking up your kids as the bus driver? or coaching your kids soccer team? ..

I really don't care what someone looked like, but I would not want anyone who had allegedly molested their cousin near my kids in any capacity.

Would you feel comfortable leaving your girls in Zimmerman's care?

leo707 says

A couple years ago some woman was attacked at night on the street outside the building I live in. It was somewhat comforting that a lot of people came running out when they heard her screams, and this may come as a shock to you but many of the people coming to help looked like Trayvon.

Just cause someone is a black male does not mean they look like Trayvon Martin.

Ignorant racist.

TM took a 7 week aviation experience class when he was 14.
Great, he attended a camp 3 years before dying.

TM also volunteered at a concession stand during football games.
This was most likely to socialize.

When I see pictures from GZ's phone of him with weed plants, him blowing smoke and smoky Arizona watermelon fruit juice cocktail I'll consider him on the same level as TM.
There are also messages of TM buying weed and codeine.

TM was kicked out of school for missing ~50 days during the 1st 100 days of his last semester.
That is not simply "attendance issues". That is failing for normal white people. I highly doubt TM was 'helping kids' by being absent literally half the school year.

TM did not have facial tattoos, but did have tattoos.
Did TM's parents give written consent for their minor son to get those tattoos?
I would like to see photographs of them to verify its real family members names. I'm sure there's photos of him showing them off.
Googling 'Tracy Martin tattoo' brings up interesting results too.

TM had pictures of unclothed, underage girls on his phone. I'm sure the DOJ is looking into how old these girls were at the time when the photos were taken.

foxmannumber1 says

When I see pictures from GZ's phone of him with weed plants, him blowing smoke
and smoky Arizona watermelon fruit juice cocktail I'll consider him on the same
level as TM.
There are also messages of TM buying weed and codeine

foxmannumber1 says

TM was kicked out of school for missing ~50 days during the 1st 100 days of his
last semester.
That is not simply "attendance issues".

Duh, you just admitted as such.

foxmannumber1 says

TM had pictures of unclothed, underage girls on his phone. I'm sure the DOJ
is looking into how old these girls were at the time when the photos were
taken.

Wow, a lot of baseless and irrelevant statements that are meant to somehow tarnish a person's charactor.

And yet you have proved absolutely NONE of them to be a provable fact, have you??

ONE MORE TIME:

upisdown says

foxmannumber1
says

g about GZ's arrest or domestic violence charge is a mystery.

Again:

upisdown
says

And, do you know why(doubtful at best) there's some sort of record of
the
expungement of an arrest????

The format of your quotes makes it impossible to determine if you have a point or not. If you want me to know something about an expungement of an arrest, just say it.

I believe TM tarnished his own character by his own actions. If there is evidence that any of this is not a fact, please let us know.

I brought up the underage naked girls on TM's phone as someone brought up the alleged molesting of GZ's cousin by GZ when they were both minors.

I think we'll have to wait until GZ kills again for an m1 trial though, won't we?

I'd like to know which serial killers befriended or imitated police and what % of serial killers did so.

foxmannumber1 says

The format of your quotes makes it impossible to determine if you have a
point or not. If you want me to know something about an expungement of an
arrest, just say it.

So you ignore the question, then by your own assertion of something about format claim that as an excuse, only to then reference the issue I have asked you about 3 times. Unbelievable.

So you don't know why there is still a record of the expungement of an arrest, is that correct then?

foxmannumber1 says

I believe TM tarnished his own character by his own actions. If there is
evidence that any of this is not a fact, please let us know.

If there is ANY evidence of this that is a fact, again show the proof.

John Bailo says

In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with
violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are
considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced
to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was
also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education
program.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11808013-george-zimmermans-criminal-records-revealed

Yup, and he admitted as such when he agreed to the conditions too.

And now, he'll NEVER hold any federal law enforcement position because of him admitting to the alcohol class condition, because that will be used as grounds for denial of a security clearance. The same goes for the military, too.

Low-level Barney Fife(with his history no department would hire him because of potential liability reasons), or mall cop.

John Bailo says

Trayvon Martin was 17.

"Underage" as defined by statutory rape would only apply to someone younger than age 14.

You should become more familiar with age of consent laws in FL.

No one is saying he had sex with the girls. He possessed an illegal picture of the girls. I don't see this as really relevant, as a lot of young people do it.

John Bailo says

It's also a sign of boredom from those with high intelligence. Many kids of all races will find typical high school boring if they have outgrown it before finishing.

Considering what TM wrote on social media, I think he was an unintelligent person.

I don't believe he was in the library those 50 days he was absent, solving the mysteries of the universe. I think he was walking around and getting high.

foxmannumber1 says

I don't believe he was in the library those 50 days he was absent, solving
the mysteries of the universe. I think he was walking around and getting
high.

Why would you believe that, is it because that's what you did?

We can all play that game.

He's up to no good again...

George Zimmerman helped family get out of overturned car last week in Sanford, Florida, local sheriff's office says.

Why can't he just stay in the car?

CaptainShuddup says

He's up to no good again...

George Zimmerman helped family get out of overturned car last week in Sanford, Florida, local sheriff's office says.

Why can't he just stay in the car?

Shooting them was not an option?

Blurtman says

CaptainShuddup
says

He's up to no good again...

George Zimmerman helped family get out of overturned car last week in
Sanford, Florida, local sheriff's office says.

Why can't he just stay in the car?

Shooting them was not an option?

He hasn't got his gun back yet. A car will have to suffice for now.

upisdown says

And now, he'll NEVER hold any federal law enforcement position because of him admitting to the alcohol class condition, because that will be used as grounds for denial of a security clearance

I can assure you that taking an alcohol education course, even with a misdemeanor conviction for something like DUI, will not get a security clearance denied. Felonies are another thing entirely.

Alcohol education classes exist to educate people and give them a second chance, not to turn off life paths entirely for them.

foxmannumber1 says

upisdown
says

And now, he'll NEVER hold any federal law enforcement position because of him
admitting to the alcohol class condition, because that will be used as grounds
for denial of a security clearance

I can assure you that taking an alcohol education course, even with a
misdemeanor conviction for something like DUI, will not get a security clearance
denied. Felonies are another thing entirely.

Then "assure" me. Did you even READ what I posted about fed LEO positions???
You know how I know that you're pulling that out of your ass, other than you avoiding the question 3 times, it's standard info to join any branch of the military, and if you had ever been in any branch of the military, you'd know that. And you'd know what has to be done to mitigate the record of that expungement.

John Bailo says

Illegal picture when it's not illegal for him as a 17 year old?

The sexual photo of a naked underage person is not allowed to exist, even if the person possessing the photo is within the "age of consent" for the 2 people to have sex.

The girls get charged with producing child pornography. If TM gave that photo out to someone outside the age of consent, he could be charged with distributing child pornography.

I agree that it is extreme.

upisdown says

Then "assure" me. Did you even READ what I posted about fed LEO positions???

You know how I know that you're pulling that out of your ass, other than you avoiding the question 3 times, it's standard info to join any branch of the military, and if you had ever been in any branch of the military, you'd know that. And you'd know what has to be done to mitigate the record of that expungement.

I agree with you on the military part. No need to mention it.

GZ never applied for a federal LEO position, only for a VA state trooper position.

Again, he was denied because of poor credit and nothing stemming from his legal charges.

John Bailo says

If George Zimmerman gave it out he would be charged as well.

But neither of those things happened.

We'll know for sure once they give out all the evidence they collected during the trial.

Even I don't think the nudie pics of girls on TM's phone is a big deal. TM has nothing to worry about anymore.

foxmannumber1 says

GZ never applied for a federal LEO position, only for a VA state trooper
position.

Again, he was denied because of poor credit and nothing stemming from his
legal charges.

I never implied that GZ had ever applied in the past or intended to in the future, for a federal LEO position. I wonder why. (I actually do know why, but you don't.)

The same may apply to the VSP, but I have not checked. Apparently VSP's standards aren't that of most states or he wouldn't have applied.

Update: VSP's standards accept HSgrad or GED, but college is PREFERRED9yes they capitalized the word). How pathetic.

No, there is no proof that she still had any 'innocence' at the time of the alleged molestation. You can't steal what they don't have.

leo707 says

I suppose you could include when Zimmerman stole the innocence of his cousin by allegedly repeatedly molesting her

SoftShell says

No, there is no proof that she still had any 'innocence' at the time of the alleged molestation. You can't steal what they don't have.

leo707 says

I suppose you could include when Zimmerman stole the innocence of his cousin by allegedly repeatedly molesting her

Anybody else having trouble responding to this one?

Sounds like you were profiling the cavalry ....
Whazzup with that??

leo707 says

It was somewhat comforting that a lot of people came running out when they heard her screams, and this may come as a shock to you but many of the people coming to help looked like Trayvon.

HydroCabron says

SoftShell says

No, there is no proof that she still had any 'innocence' at the time of the alleged molestation. You can't steal what they don't have.

leo707 says

I suppose you could include when Zimmerman stole the innocence of his cousin by allegedly repeatedly molesting her

Anybody else having trouble responding to this one?

Yeah it is unsettling, the only people I have ever heard make those types of comments towards abused children have been confessing molesters.

It's shocking, isn't it. Good.

That's the type of comment you expose yourself to when you bring up unsubstantiated charges against GZ 21 years after the supposed incidents, pretrial, and used by the prosecution in an obvious attempt to run a smear campaign against the defendant.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE86F0YV20120716

If this charge had any basis in fact, she would have brought it up well before this trial.

SoftShell says

leo707 says

I suppose you could include when Zimmerman stole the innocence of his cousin by allegedly repeatedly molesting her

leo707 says

Yeah it is unsettling, the only people I have ever heard make those types of comments towards abused children have been confessing molesters.

"It is not immediately clear why prosecutors released the molestation allegation or whether they plan to use it in court if Zimmerman goes on trial."

Oh, it's not clear at all. Right.

This proves the wife was the one stalking martin....
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/us/george-zimmerman-detained/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

SoftShell says

If this charge had any basis in fact, she would have brought it up well before this trial.

Yes, because we know that it is unheard of for a child who has been a victim of a serial molester to stay silent for years.

Let me guess you are a big fan of Penn State Football, and can't wait to see Sandusky exonerated from all those false charges. Or, perhaps you work within the Catholic church...

SoftShell says

This proves the wife was the one stalking martin....

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/us/george-zimmerman-detained/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Right, just like Zimmerman's was the victim of his first fiance's stalking; and that damn cop that was stalking him as well; and that drunk woman who stalked him while he worked security; and how Trayvon Martin was stalking Zimmerman -- yeah, Zim must be walking around with a "please stalk me" sign stuck to his back.

Also, I am sure that, his soon to be ex-wife, after having already gone on the record for lying to protect Zimmerman learned her lesson and will not lie for Zimmerman ever again. Of course she was lying when she called 911 because that is what always happens during a domestic dispute; a woman calls 911, pretends to be scared and lies, but then the truth only comes out only after the cops arrive. Isn't that right SoftShell?

SoftShell says

No, there is no proof that she still had any 'innocence' at the time of the alleged molestation. You can't steal what they don't have.

SoftShell says

It's shocking, isn't it. Good.

Yeah, it is always shocking when someone makes comments like that, and regardless of how clinical and jaded one becomes it always should be. You really do expose your soul when you make comments like that. I know it is a reality, but it is truly disgusting to be reminded that people actually think that way.

Let, me guess you think she was older than her "chronological age" right? You don't happen to do any Judicial work in Montana do you?

Wow.
You are so jaded you cannot even recognize a sarcastic comical post.
I feel sorry for you.

leo707 says

SoftShell says

This proves the wife was the one stalking martin....

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/us/george-zimmerman-detained/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Right, just like Zimmerman's was the victim of his first fiance's stalking;