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The Uglyiness of the Left


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2013 Apr 2, 10:29am   27,860 views  219 comments

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As ugly and despicable as the right is, it does not have a monopoly on ugliness. Recently, a successful female Princeton graduate, Susan Patton -- one of the first women to attend Princeton, by the way -- recently wrote a short, honest letter in which she advocated that Princeton women follow a long-term dating strategy in college rather than a short-term stating strategy. Patton argues that college is the best time for women to secure a husband and that who a woman marries will be instrumental in her happiness.

Of course, everything Patton said is undeniably true. College is the time in which both men and women have access to the greatest pool of eligible mates with similar interests and life situations, with the freedom to live anywhere, and the least emotional, financial, and physical baggage.

It is also indisputably true that mate selection is one of the most important, if not the most important, decision a man or woman will ever, ever make in his or her life. A happy marriage makes for a far better life than a miserable one. And as indicated the sheer ferociousness of the mating market, competition for high quality mates is extremely high for both straight men and women. (I would think that such competition would also be extremely high in homosexual and bisexual mating markets, but I'll leave that for another thread.) Not that being single can't be great, but even then, your family is an essential part of your life. If you do get married, that doesn't become less true.

So, Susan Patton advices that women at Princeton consider shifting from "playing the field" (short-term strategy) to "looking for a husband" (long-term strategy). Now, one can argue whether or not Patton is correct. There are many trade-offs in life including marrying young when your options are vast or waiting until your older and your options are limited to what's left over or in the secondary market. There are various pros and cons, and I'm sure this thread will spawn a discussion on those pros and cons and well as the nature of Patton's advice.

However, before we get to that, I would like to point out the utterly unacceptable behavior of the far left which seeks to silence the very discussion of this topic by making personal attacks on Patton and by making dumb Straw Man arguments including the false dichotomy that either a woman of college age must be completely disinterested in husband selection or she is forever doomed to live in the 1950s.

Such arguments and attacks show an irrational opposition to even listening to a discussion that creates a bubble around the left that is essentially the same as the bubble the right lives in. No facts, no ideas, no truth can get inside that bubble. And those living in the bubble must preserve the integrity of that bubble, no matter what the cost.

The letter Susan Patton wrote to The Daily Princetonian

By the way, doesn't Princetonian remind you of Praetorian? Or is that just me?

CNN Video: A nasty leftist attacks Patton

ABC News Video: Reactions to Patton's Letter

OK, have at it...

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17   anonymous   2013 Apr 3, 2:02am  

Well then, absent the hordes of whores at these universities, why would males partake in such a silly venture? Cmon now, next you'll be saying tptb duped womyn into thinking they won some battle by obtaining the privilege to join the workforce. Lol

18   The Original Bankster   2013 Apr 3, 2:02am  

south american girls are nice.

so are slavic/russian girls if you prefer a lighter skinned physical type.

they've got everything American women have, and are interested in having a family.

American women are the worst. Does anyone come to America to meet women? never.

19   The Original Bankster   2013 Apr 3, 2:06am  

errc says

Well then, absent the hordes of whores at these universities, why would males partake in such a silly venture? Cmon now, next you'll be saying tptb duped womyn into thinking they won some battle by obtaining the privilege to join the workforce. Lol

I've already said that elsewhere.

women dont really want to work. they simply want the prestige of being in these jobs. Watch them in the workplace. What they DO want to do, is look feminine, attract men, and manipulate people socially.

Women are the primary reason why workplace standards have degraded significantly.

They don't belong in the workplace. The workplace is a place where men compete for success. Try putting women and men in separate departments. Here is what will happen: 1) most of the women will quit because they dont get anything from the arrangement ie. can't suck off the system 2) the male department will start producing at a much faster rate.

20   lostand confused   2013 Apr 3, 2:13am  

Just imagine, if you married someone at 20 and divorced at 30, the court now has jurisdiction over you for life in CA. Freedom!!

21   MisdemeanorRebel   2013 Apr 3, 2:21am  

CaptainShuddup says

Of course "low class" has a different connotation in Latin Ameirca than in the US.

Simply meaning a girl from humble means, that is not Americanized, or NOT from the privileged class in South Ameirca(who by the way believe they are the biggest humanitarians on earth. As tarp draped shanties dot the sand hills, that surround all of their expensive lush cities.)

Wow, Captain, every word here is a Gem.

22   The Original Bankster   2013 Apr 3, 2:26am  

there was one feminist woman who decided to build a company FOR women OF women. As in, she only hired women thinking she could do away with the inequality.

it was a complete disaster. The founder of the company later stated she would never hire a woman ever again.

23   upisdown   2013 Apr 3, 2:35am  

The Original Bankster says

American women are the worst. Does anyone come to America to meet women?
never.

Nope, just men only to divorce them later and do it all over again. There's not many faster ways to improve their standard of living that fast, or as easily.

24   The Original Bankster   2013 Apr 3, 2:38am  

upisdown says

Nope, just men only to divorce them later and do it all over again. There's not many faster ways to improve their standard of living that fast, or as easily.

there might be some from the third world doing this, but there are also many many success stories.

men run the very same risks of financial ruin with another American as they would with a Russian or Peruvian. Same shit from a man's perspective.

25   upisdown   2013 Apr 3, 2:43am  

The Original Bankster says

men run the very same risks of financial ruin with another American as they
would with a Russian or Peruvian. Same shit from a man's perspective.

LOL, if the woman ends up with all your asstes including those in the future, does it really matter what country they are from? I guess that probably added some price increase to that life-like doll people were bidding on to spend a day with.

26   Dan8267   2013 Apr 3, 2:52am  

FortWayne says

Most college kids are way too immature for life changing events like marriage. Many still drink and party all day long, and vote liberal, with no concept of responsibility or work ethic.

Oh, how our words say more about us than who we are talking about...

27   Dan8267   2013 Apr 3, 2:53am  

FortWayne says

errc says

The Original Bankster says

personally I think the vast majority of women in higher ed today shouldn't even be there at all, they should be raising families.

Just look at how women dress these days in college.

RACIST

To be fair, my wife agrees with the bankster on that one.

You should see how the women who do not attend college dress.

28   Dan8267   2013 Apr 3, 2:56am  

The Original Bankster says

well she is speaking on behalf of Princeton.

I wouldn't say that. She wrote an open letter to the Princetonian (a Princeton Newspaper) in which she offers advice to Princeton women based on her own life experience. No user comments in any newspaper reflect the opinions of those running the Newspaper. That's why all newspapers, including the Princetonian, say

Editor’s Note: All posts whose headlines begin with the word “OPINION” — including this Letter to the Editor — reflect the views of the individual author and do not necessarily represent the view of The Daily Princetonian or its staff.

29   Dan8267   2013 Apr 3, 3:05am  

The Original Bankster says

Im sure in the back of her mind shes thinking: why do women have to go to college at all?

I can guarantee you that is not what she is thinking.

The fact is that both men and women spend a large amount of time seeking romantic and/or sexual relationships during college. They do this while also studying and learning (or not). The fact is that a person is going to spend X% of his or her time socializing and a good portion of that time in romantic and/or sexual relationships. The only difference is whether those relationships are short-term or long-term. Either way, that person is going to spend as much time on relationships and not studying. So it's not a choice between work hard to find romance; it's a choice between find a long-term partner or a fuck buddy.

Patton is thinking and saying that instead of looking for the next fuck buddy, women should be looking for the man they want to spend the rest of their lives with. This intent is clear from the video.

Now, whether or not you agree with the opinion is another matter. Surely, it's in my own personal interest that college women are only looking for fuck buddies. But that does not necessarily mean it is in their interests.

In any case, the subject matter is worthy of discussion regardless of the intent of the person who brought it up. Where an idea comes from is irrelevant to its merit. See Dark Star.

30   The Original Bankster   2013 Apr 3, 3:05am  

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

errc says

The Original Bankster says

personally I think the vast majority of women in higher ed today shouldn't even be there at all, they should be raising families.

Just look at how women dress these days in college.

RACIST

To be fair, my wife agrees with the bankster on that one.

You should see how the women who do not attend college dress.

the difference is not in education level but in socioeconomic status.

31   Tenpoundbass   2013 Apr 3, 3:40am  

The Original Bankster says

there was one feminist woman who decided to build a company FOR women OF women. As in, she only hired women thinking she could do away with the inequality.

it was a complete disaster. The founder of the company later stated she would never hire a woman ever again.

Do you have more details on this.
It's like that putz that divorced his parents in the 80s, she died a few months back. And now he says, he was too young to understand the hardships of being a parent, and that some Liberal meddler, who hates families egged him on, to do it. Now is biggest regret his that he didn't make peace(seek forgiveness) with his biological Mom before she died.

32   FortWayne   2013 Apr 3, 3:45am  

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

errc says

The Original Bankster says

personally I think the vast majority of women in higher ed today shouldn't even be there at all, they should be raising families.

Just look at how women dress these days in college.

RACIST

To be fair, my wife agrees with the bankster on that one.

You should see how the women who do not attend college dress.

If they say they are doing it to get themselves through college, who am I to judge?

33   anonymous   2013 Apr 3, 3:55am  

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

errc says

The Original Bankster says

personally I think the vast majority of women in higher ed today shouldn't even be there at all, they should be raising families.

Just look at how women dress these days in college.

RACIST

To be fair, my wife agrees with the bankster on that one.

You should see how the women who do not attend college dress.

I prefer to see them naked

34   varmint   2013 Apr 3, 4:54am  

I agree with the author that you are exposed to the highest number of quality mates while in college. This is especially true if you're a man going engineering or tech. However, it depends on the individual's maturity level as to whether they are ready for identifying their wife/husband.

Aside from that she is pretty insufferable. That you went to Princeton doesn't mean you are the smartest person on the planet. It means you came from money and got good grades in high school. Get over yourself and your bratty kids.

35   finehoe   2013 Apr 3, 6:48am  

The Original Bankster says

south american girls are nice.

so are slavic/russian girls if you prefer a lighter skinned physical type.

Where can I find a big-dicked man?

36   curious2   2013 Apr 3, 7:01am  

LOL - I avoided commenting on this thread because it seemed such a silly non-story, but the fact is the advice is merely inapplicable to most undergraduates. I love how she uses the phrase, "Yes, I went there." Ooh, she's sassy, circa 10 years ago. If her advice were so good, why would she limit it to the women? And why is she telling the young lesbians to find a husband? Does she think nobody else ever told them that before? Young women and men have their own plans for their futures, and for their own reasons. If you've been studying Chinese because you want to live and work in Hong Kong, and you are offered a job there, would you really want to be married to somebody whose only job offers turn out to be in New York? Undergraduates would be better advised to build their social networks, meet more people, make more friends (whether sexual or not), so that wherever they go after graduation they have a good chance of knowing people who can help them make their way.

But it would make a novel pick-up line. "Hi, I'm a radical dyke and after graduation I want to ride my Harley to Alaska and build a cabin, but right now we're both in New Jersey because our parents sent us to Princeton, will you be my husband?" I'll bet he hasn't heard that one before.

37   The Original Bankster   2013 Apr 3, 7:03am  

finehoe says

south american girls are nice.

so are slavic/russian girls if you prefer a lighter skinned physical type.

Where can I find a big-dicked man?

Africa.

38   Dan8267   2013 Apr 3, 7:28am  

@Patrick, can you just nuke KarlRoveIsScum. I'm getting tired of deleting troll posts like this one. I can tolerate moderate trolling, but there comes a point when a troll is just disrupting all conversations.

KarlRoveIsScum says

Go fuck yourself Dan

Tea Party Lunatic.

KarlRoveIsScum says

racist fuck, go fuck yourself you asshole.

KarlRoveIsScum says

Tea Party lunatic go fuck yourself Dan

Read your own pathetic Tea Party posts all 7000+ of them

Fucking shit head.

39   CL   2013 Apr 3, 7:59am  

errc says

I prefer to see them naked

You will some day!

finehoe says

Where can I find a big-dicked man?

We are often taken off the market early.

40   FortWayne   2013 Apr 3, 8:00am  

I put Karl on ignore long ago. That boy has some anger issues, and no discipline at all.

41   leo707   2013 Apr 3, 8:14am  

She should be advising people (yes curious2, I agree the advice should be for men also) to be more selective in picking their fuck-buddies. People who treat them with respect, are decent human-beings, reasonably intelligent, generous lovers, etc. You know, people who they might want to get married to.

For many reasons one might not find their mate in college, but while they are practicing fucking they should also be learning what it is like to be in a healthy relationship.

42   The Original Bankster   2013 Apr 4, 12:52am  

errc says

I prefer to see them naked

hey im not suggesting they wear a burkha or something, but dressing like Lada Gaga for class certainly speaks volumes about why they are there.

43   zzyzzx   2013 Apr 4, 1:33am  

The Original Bankster says

Just look at how women dress these days in college.

Pics please!

44   The Original Bankster   2013 Apr 4, 1:35am  

zzyzzx says

The Original Bankster says

Just look at how women dress these days in college.

Pics please!

its hilarious until there is a massive student loan default and you realize were paying for Spring Break in Daytona.

45   FortWayne   2013 Apr 4, 2:26am  

I think the moral of the story is that "far left" has their share of nuts too. And these nuts are in charge now.

46   The Original Bankster   2013 Apr 4, 3:10am  

KarlRoveIsScum says

FortHood says

I think the moral of the story is that "far left" has their share of nuts too. And these nuts are in charge now.

Which nuts?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/30/how-north-dakota-reached-its-extreme-abortion-tipping-point.html

If North Dakota’s Republican-controlled legislature prevails, these parishioners will have to find some other way to spend their next Good Friday. On Tuesday, Gov. Jack Dalrymple signed into law three of the most restrictive abortion bills in the nation. A fourth, an amendment to the North Dakota constitution that would grant legal “personhood” rights to embryos from the moment of fertilization, will be decided by the state’s voters in the fall.

hold on are you trying to portray these things as crazy or something?

dude youre the crazy one.

47   The Original Bankster   2013 Apr 4, 4:43am  

KarlRoveIsScum says

Really, banning abortions even in cases of Genetic Abnormalities is not the governments JOB! or DECISION!

oh please, how many times have we heard this sort of excuse.

pro-choice is about pro-fuck who you want without consequences. There are plenty of countries that have regulated abortions and allow for such cases.

please crawl back into your government funded hole.

48   Dan8267   2013 Apr 4, 6:09am  

FortWayne says

I think the moral of the story is that "far left" has their share of nuts too.

Yes, that was the intent of the original post, and Karl demonstrates this point clearly with every post he makes. Notice how abortion had nothing to do with this thread and no one mentioned it until Karl.

49   socal2   2013 Apr 4, 6:43am  

Speaking of the ugliness of the Left and academia.

Why do colleges always employ left wing murderers and terrorists? Here is the latest example of the moral and intellectual rot at some of our universities.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/columbia_pet_terrorist_CchfywavunlqZSPXZXYpoN

50   Dan8267   2013 Apr 4, 7:14am  

socal2 says

Why do colleges always employ left wing murderers and terrorists?

Same reason government always employ right wing murderers and terrorists. The word "terrorist" is just a marketing term. By the USA Patriot Act, all our founding fathers were terrorists. That's right. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin were all terrorists according to the good old USA Patriot Act.

The common sense definition of terrorism would be anyone who attempts to instill terror in others. By that definition, the US military would be a terrorist organization. Perhaps we should just stop using the dumb and non-useful word "terrorist".

51   socal2   2013 Apr 4, 7:23am  

This woman was involved in the killing of 2 cops, 1 security guard and blowing up several government buildings.

There is absolutely no doubt about her guilt.

But in Dan's bizarro world-view (along with the moon-bats running Columbia) she is the equivalent of George Washington and should be able to teach our children!

FFS - if murder doesn't disqualify a person from teaching at our left-wing indoctrination factories, what the hell would? Being a Republican?

52   Shaman   2013 Apr 4, 8:05am  

To all those who are saying education is worthless for women who are destined to become wives and mothers: just wait! When the kids go to school and she's sitting at home either getting fat and unsatisfied, or waiting for Sancho to come over and motor her boat, you'll realize that your woman needs a damn job. If she's got education, she can get going again, contribute, and feel like a whole person. If she's got all the qualifications for a career at McDonald's, you're in for a world of hurt when she runs off with the hot pool guy and files for lifetime alimony.
My wife has two masters degrees, her own business, and is the mother of three children. She's also hot as hell and I'm proud of her. She can make money, as much as she has time to do so.

53   Dan8267   2013 Apr 4, 8:15am  

socal2 says

This woman was involved in the killing of 2 cops, 1 security guard and blowing up several government buildings.

There is absolutely no doubt about her guilt.

But in Dan's bizarro world-view (along with the moon-bats running Columbia) she is the equivalent of George Washington and should be able to teach our children!

Actually, you entirely missed the point of my post, as usual. I was responding to your general point that colleges are "always" hiring terrorists, which is clearly hyperbole.

I was also proposing that the word terrorist itself is not useful. I never said that specific example would not meet the USA Patriot Act's definition of terrorist or the common sense one, just that the word is used to label anyone you want judged badly by the public.

I certainly did not make the case that the example given was identical to our founding fathers. I made the case that the legal definitions of terrorism are ridiculous as they would include our founding fathers.

So other than completely misinterpreting everything I wrote, you're 100% correct.

54   leo707   2013 Apr 4, 8:23am  

Dan8267 says

Actually, you entirely missed the point of my post, as usual. I was responding to your general point that colleges are "always" hiring terrorists, which is clearly hyperbole.

Wait, are you telling me that I should not assume that republican activists are not always rapists?
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865567461/Rape-suspect-Greg-Peterson-unapologetic-in-suicide-note.html?pg=all

...or that Republican Senators are not always cruising public bathrooms for gay sex?
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sexandpolitics/a/larrycraigjokes.htm

55   socal2   2013 Apr 4, 8:48am  

Dan8267 says

Actually, you entirely missed the point of my post, as usual. I was responding
to your general point that colleges are "always" hiring terrorists, which is
clearly hyperbole.

How about this?

Left wing colleges "always" employ left wing terrorists before employing an open conservative?

Just off the top of my head, I can think of Bernardine Dorn, and Bill Ayers.

How are the terrorists from the Weather Underground any different than the terrorists like Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols? Both groups killed innocent people and blew up government buildings to further their politic goals.

Can you IMAGINE any college hiring someone like McVeigh after he served time in jail (if he was still alive)?

Of course not.

56   Dan8267   2013 Apr 4, 9:23am  

socal2 says

How about this?

Left wing colleges "always" employ left wing terrorists before employing an open conservative?

If you can prove it, I'll accept it. Of course, you have to give a very specific criteria of what constitutes a college being "left-wing" so that I can enumerate all colleges in the United States partitioning them into left-wing and non-left-wing subsets.

It would be a meaningless statement if you gave an explicit list of "left-wing colleges" and then reached a conclusion about "left-wing colleges". That's why I would have to do the partitioning based on a predicate you supply. Oh shit, I might be getting too technical for a non-developer.

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