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socal2 says
Can the Putin Patnet fan-club define a Russian "win" in Ukraine these days?
Not really a fan of Putin but it would be a win if the Russians could negotiate a settlement that would end the Zelensky regime (or whoever controls them) and restore Ukrainian freedom and independence.
they build things to last, we build them to be replaced.
Not really a fan of Putin but it would be a win if the Russians could negotiate a settlement that would end the Zelensky regime (or whoever controls them) and restore Ukrainian freedom and independence.
vassal-state
I am MUCH more concerned about the cold civil war going on in America
What I don't understand is the perverse and grotesque villainization of Ukraine for defending themselves against Russia's ham-fisted invasion.
socal2 says
What I don't understand is the perverse and grotesque villainization of Ukraine for defending themselves against Russia's ham-fisted invasion.
It's not Ukraine that began this. It's the United States that began this. This has been pointed out REPEATEDLY. Victoria Nuland in a tapped call with Geoffrey Pyatt was picking out the next "leader" (US puppet) of Ukraine, 1 week, and 4 days before Viktor Yanukovych was removed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
If the United States didn't overthrow Ukraine, Ukraine wouldn't have gone to civil war with their Russian population. This civil war began because they wouldn't accept the coup. The war in Donbass began in 2014, right after the coup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas(2014%E2%80%9...
Something about leading a horse to water . . .
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
they build things to last, we build them to be replaced.
So true. It must suck for planned obsolescence to kick in when you're in the middle of a firefight.
Ukey Nazi
Fragile Western weapons has just downed 6 "robust and unstoppable" hypersonic Kinzhal missiles fired at Kyiv.
"The whole narrative about superior Soviet weaponry keeps crumbling further and further."
cisTits says
Ukey Nazi
Hey, where's the proof of Ukie Nazism? We've been waiting for 9 months already and stll nothing. Even Pukin stopped talking about this nonsense several months ago.
Depleted U238 is only chemically dirty (heavy metal) - it has a half life of fucking 4 billion years. A banana (which contains Potassium 40) is more radioactive. For fuck's sake, stop repeating non-scientific propaganda bullshit.
It's heavy metal poisoning. The same thing happens with lead, cadmium, etc.
Our government, constantly lies about the success of our military. In Operation Desert Storm, the US claimed, I think, a 90% interception rate of SCUD missiles with Patriots. You know what the actual interception rate was? 0. The Patriots (at the time) were a complete failure against rockets from the 1970s.
And yes, Russia is defeating NATO and the US in Ukraine massively and decisively. Denying the obvious does not change the fact.
You lose the backing of your population if you admit you're losing.
Ukraine could be getting smashed. But it's taken 15 fucking months???
The US-made M777 Howitzers which have become the mainstay of the Kiev regime’s military forces are quickly “blooming” under intense firing rates, which is to say the front of the artillery barrel explodes and fray’s back, looking much like a precious flower.
Fragile Western weapons has just downed 6 "robust and unstoppable" hypersonic Kinzhal missiles fired at Kyiv.
It's going to take years. The point is to exhaust resources of each side. Supposedly, Ukraine has a military of about 1/2 million people:
richwicks says
It's going to take years. The point is to exhaust resources of each side. Supposedly, Ukraine has a military of about 1/2 million people:
And don't forget to count the women trained with wooden rifles.
RWSGFY says
Fragile Western weapons has just downed 6 "robust and unstoppable" hypersonic Kinzhal missiles fired at Kyiv.
I remember back in the day when the only things ROBUST were coffee, cigars, and maybe red wine..now everything can be robust.
"Surely this is in jest, right?"
You need to ignore the MSM. They are lying 24/7.
This isn't really something to joke about. These people are just going to their death in a futile war. If you can't win a war, you shouldn't fight it. Live to fight another day when you have the chance of winning. This is just assisted suicide with the help of the United States.
Earlier I wrote, " And yes, Russia is defeating NATO and the US in Ukraine massively and decisively. Denying the obvious does not change the fact."
A massive and decisive victory would not include Russia occupying less land than they conquered 12 months ago
I'm pretty sure that Anthony Blinken and Victoria Nuland just want lots and lots of Ukrainians and Russians to die.
This isn't really something to joke about.
richwicks says
This isn't really something to joke about.
If I can't joke about it, what should I do? take a selfie with a ukraine flag and state that I stand with them? Send a strongly worded email to my congressman? Any advice would be helpful.
A massive and decisive victory would not include Russia occupying less land than they conquered 12 months ago
Point out to any person that has a Ukrainian flag bio on their profile that none of this would be happening if the United States didn't overthrow Ukraine in 2014, and this war has been going on starting then. If
How much British land did the United States occupy during the revolutionary war?
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And the truth is: You don't take Western artillery pieces to a...um, an actual artillery fight, apparenrly. High tech don't mean shit if it has a premature ejaculation problem.
In the artillery-heavy intensive warfare conditions of the east Ukrainian battlefield, hi-tech Western artillery pieces are being called on to fire hundreds of shells each a day and are simply not up to the conditions or the task, not tough enough, breaking down quickly due to wear and tear.
The commander of the logistics service of the ground forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Brigadier General Volodymyr Karpenko, complains that these Western weapons “constantly break down and require repair.”
The US-made M777 Howitzers which have become the mainstay of the Kiev regime’s military forces are quickly “blooming” under intense firing rates, which is to say the front of the artillery barrel explodes and fray’s back, looking much like a precious flower.
The M777s are largely made of titanium instead of steel, theoretically making them lighter and quickly mobile for shoot & scoot after firing, but aren’t proving durable as a result.
According to Ukrainian Deputy Minister of Defense Denis Sharapov one out of every 3 M777s have to be taken away for repair after the very first artillery duel.
US defense officials admit as much, reporting that a third of the roughly 350 Western-made howitzers are out of action at any given time.
Likewise; 1 out of 3 of the 22 vaunted German Panzerhaubitze 2000’s provided to the Kiev regime are also reported by German military officials as in need of repair after just a month of battlefield use. Seems they can’t take firing more than a hundred shells a day.
Similar problems are being reported with the US’s M109 artillery pieces, the Italian FH70, and the French
Broken and failing Western weapons need to be transported all the way across Ukraine to Western repair centers set up in Poland, Slovakia, and Germany – repaired if possible – and then make the return journey back to the front, under Russian fire, taking many months.
Jack Watling of the Royal Institute of Armaments in London notes that “The current approach, where each country transfers batteries in parts, is quickly becoming a logistical nightmare for Ukrainian forces, as each battery requires a separate training, support and logistics system“.
These hi-tech Western wonder weapons are just too fragile and precious, too logistically demanding, to hang in the high-intensity conflict in Ukraine.
What happens when an artillery barrel 'blooms':
https://frontierindia.com/m777-howitzers-constantly-break-down-and-require-repair-says-ukraine/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us/ukraine-artillery-breakdown.html
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-war-how-to-repair-the-ukrainian-armys-modern-weapons/a-63215373
https://vpk.name/en/610446_deputy-minister-of-defense-of-ukraine-every-third-m777-howitzer-has-to-be-taken-away-for-repair-after-the-first-artillery-duel.html
https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/politik/deutschland/ukraine-panzerhaubitze-2000-mit-verschleisserscheinungen-a-e0a3bc00-5e4b-40fa-821a-c2d158079133?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/politik/deutschland/ukraine-panzerhaubitzen-2000-wegen-ersatzteilmangels-ausser-gefecht-a-a9056b03-3c01-40cb-b495-611817741b21?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2022/09/21/m777-barrels-in-ukraine-bloom-they-will-be-repaired-abroad/
https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/western-wonder-weapons-too-fragile