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Michael Cooke says

You pay $50,000.00 for a trailer and you don't even own the fucking land underneath it.... You pay a monthly fee to the developer to use that land

This sounds like the Tax Donkey in places like California, NY, Illinois, Texas who may own their home "free and clear" but still must pay a high property tax for the privilege of occupying the land.

Before Bush Sr. ruined the Florida economy by making all of the activities that attract people to Florida a luxury tax item.
90% of trailer parks in South Florida were owned and occupied by Snowbird Canadians.

I don't get why anyone would want to live in a trailer park either. But if I were going to live in a trailer, I would want my own plot of rural land to put it on.

Tenpoundbass says

But if I were going to live in a trailer, I would want my own plot of rural land to put it on.

I'd agree. Utilities to site can be costly though in rural areas is the only catch 22. Hence why there's trailer parks. Shared costs and lower the barrier of entry. Plus someone can make money off of it. A one off site can get expensive to the point of just building a house from scratch makes more sense.

B.A.C.A.H. says

This sounds like the Tax Donkey in places like California, NY, Illinois, Texas who may own their home "free and clear" but still must pay a high property tax for the privilege of occupying the land.

I was just looking at Texas real estate and the tax rate seems to be about 2.3%, though maybe that varies by county and city.

Seems pretty high to me, but then, there's no state income tax.

Off topic, but Redfin's price minimum makes no sense outside of Manhattan, Boston, and California. "The price is too low to show more information" and the land is $170k, LOL.

Michael Cooke says

You pay $50,000.00 for a trailer and you don't even own the fucking land underneath it.... You pay a monthly fee to the developer to use that land. You are a 21st century Serf. How is this legal? I have no idea.

But you don’t pay property tax which is just rent to the local government. Is paying the government like a serf better than paying a landlord like a serf? And your total expenses can be very low. It’s mostly never going to be a vehicle for wealth, but it could keep your outflow far enough down so you can start a business with the extra and make some real wealth!

People live in those because they are the best place to view fires and tornadoes.

What's the difference in Texas between a divorce and a tornado?
None; either way you lose the trailer.

Oh, here's a tip: If you want a double wide on the cheap.

Just get two single-wides they don't even have to be the same shape/type so long as they are old and cheap. Knock out one of the exterior walls on each of them then push them together. Finally, throw a large piece of tar paper over the entire top then hold it down with cinder blocks.

Done!

I've seen these in the mountains in N. Carolina.

Tenpoundbass says

I would want my own plot of rural land to put it on.

I would do this as well. In particular if I wanted to take my sweet time building a house on said property.

Having a piece of property in a rural area might appeal to some people, but most still want to be a few minutes from public transportation, conveniences, shops, restaurants and medical care facilities. Also, manufactured homes can be made to any degree of insulation and upgrade specifications desired. You could make a manufactured home a small bunker if you want, that when you close your doors, the world disappears.

Construction for condos and townhouses is so routinely crappy in California, you may as well just break down the walls and say hi to your neighbors. A mobile home property is better in that regard. You can spruce up your lot any way you like with upgraded home.

The real hazard in mobile home parks is the homeowner's associations, which can and do get corrupted, and the proximity of your next door neighbors. You really don't want the litigious or the whacko next door, but that can and does happen with condos, too.

WookieMan says

Tenpoundbass says

But if I were going to live in a trailer, I would want my own plot of rural land to put it on.

I'd agree. Utilities to site can be costly though in rural areas is the only catch 22. Hence why there's trailer parks. Shared costs and lower the barrier of entry. Plus someone can make money off of it. A one off site can get expensive to the point of just building a house from scratch makes more sense.

If you are doing a trailer or scratch built house, the utilities are extra for either. You have to pay for electric hookups, well, and septic setup, and then add the costs for either trailer or house.

Don't forget to include lots of wall space for your complete galleries of fuzzy dice, velvet Elvis portraits, and velvet big-eyed children and pets.

I used to date a woman who lived in a trailer park here in Sunnyvale. Yeah, lots of jokes from the colleagues at work.

The obvious downside is that you own the thing that depreciates (building) and rent the thing that appreciates (land). If you are one of those people who thinks "property values always go up" AND you think you'll be staying there for many years, that's a bad long-term "investment." An additional consequence of only owning the (depreciating) building is that you can't get a good interest rate on the purchase loan.

Her community is quite nice. The owner of the land has gone to great lengths to prevent owners of the buildings from turning them into rentals. There are strong requirements for maintenance of the yards and buildings, etc. It's nice to have a swimming pool, hot tub, pool tables, etc.

As for perpetually renting the land, I believe you get a 100-year lease agreement with a 3% (2%?) maximum yearly price increase. I think my friend actually paid some money to buy the lease from the previous owner. Her rent is less than what I pay in property taxes on the land I "own." If I bought my shack now (and reset Prop 13) I'd be paying nearly 2x to rent my land from the government.

Her place is a brand new triple-wide. Yes, it comes in 3 pieces. 12-foot ceilings, large high-quality windows and doors, etc. The kitchen has stainless steel appliances, "quartz" countertops, and a viking gas stove. Don't tell the California government, but the dishwasher has a rinse-and-hold feature and the master bathroom has a large soaking tub (bathtub and dishwasher snuck in from whatever state the building was manufactured in). If you're willing to pay $500K for the structure, you can get a really nice one! Given that it's mass produced and not constructed in silicon valley, your $500k goes a lot farther than standard buildings.

So, she's got a nice, new, and large home for less than the cost of building here in California. If she's only going to stay 10 years, she doesn't care about the land appreciation. And her monthly costs on living are 1/2 or 1/3 what she would pay on a $1.5MM mortgage. Further, she only waited 2 months for her "brand new home" instead of having to way a year for on-site construction.

That said, I bought my conventional Sunnyvale shack 17 years ago and, with the increased value of the dirt, have essentially been paid to live here. I do wish I had a modern structure, though.

Ceffer says

The real hazard in mobile home parks is the homeowner's associations, which can and do get corrupted, and the proximity of your next door neighbors. You really don't want the litigious or the whacko next door, but that can and does happen with condos, too.

Exactly. General Use Or Agra Zoning for me. You can also put on a shitton of Outbuildings, steel buildings.

When I see the "R", I wanna go more far.

This is my paradise right here: It's like Trump is God Emperor for Life. DIY, Muddin', Drinkin', and Show Us Yer Tits
Also Rocket Launch at 11:38 because this is like 15 minutes west of Canaveral, probably a Falcon launching Starlink Sats.
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I'm down with the Aboriginal Anglo-Saxons (or Anglo-Celts). I wanna get as far away from Administrators as possible.

HunterTits says

Not out in the sticks.

Then it's only $500.

You can still buy land all over the South and within half an hour of the beach for $15k.

Yeah, you'll need water, but it ain't a desert like Cali, it's half-swamp. Ancient shallow sea full of limestone itself only a few feet above sea level, water not far below. So about $2000-3000 for that.
Electric is already down the road, that's about $2k, just another pole or two and a box.
Septic is the most expensive, call it $5k depending on your microclimate.
Clearling, I like it Jungle except for a driveway, circle, and swale crossing. $2-4k depending on how cleared you want it.

So $15k for the land, and $15k for the hookups.

But then you're on General/Agra Zoning, you can do WTF you like. You want a 12x20 carport and and a 12x16 workshop? Knock your ass out, no permit necessary. Get a horse, some chickens, Nubian Goats, or just let people park their boats and RVs on your property for $40/month.

Worst zoning law I've seen is you can't have more than half the square footage of your property in outbuildings. And that is only if it's under 5 acres.

The enviro baloney isn't taken very seriously, a few hundred bucks in non-Karened Counties (ie not Hillsborough, Miami-Dade, or Broward)

Not a Karen for miles. Stand your ground laws. Blast any fucker who won't get off your lawn and the Sheriff will give you a Good Citizenship certificate. A Sheriff who views Muddin' and ATV'ing on vacant land to be no big deal, and happy the kids are having beers and towing each other out of swamp instead of doing meth, views it as good clean wholesome fun. Rather than some Sierra Club Faggot.

Also, no Ghetto Trash. They have learned to stay out of those farmette areas the hard way. You might have to put up with ATVing on Saturday and Sunday though.

MisdemeanorRebel,
For, say, a brand new 1500 sq ft trailer, what kind of air conditioning bills would one pay to keep the place below 78 degrees? I'm guessing you can get a well insulated place and that you're not paying 27¢ kw/hr, but aren't you looking at something like $300/month for 8 months of the year?

MisdemeanorRebel says

I'm down with the Aboriginal Anglo-Saxons (or Anglo-Celts). I wanna get as far away from Administrators as possible.

I didn't realize there is mud in Florida. I always pictured just sand.

HeadSet says

WookieMan says

Tenpoundbass says

But if I were going to live in a trailer, I would want my own plot of rural land to put it on.

I'd agree. Utilities to site can be costly though in rural areas is the only catch 22. Hence why there's trailer parks. Shared costs and lower the barrier of entry. Plus someone can make money off of it. A one off site can get expensive to the point of just building a house from scratch makes more sense.

If you are doing a trailer or scratch built house, the utilities are extra for either. You have to pay for electric hookups, well, and septic setup, and then add the costs for either trailer or house.

Again, this is why my proven scheme of buying some kind of existing house is likely cheaper. You have utilities in place. I did it once with a property that I did not purchase but was sort of caretaking, which was a completely derelict house but had functioning well/septic/electric. The house I improved enough to function as studio space and had my trailer adjacent for hookups. This was 5 minutes outside of Santa Rosa in the middle of vineyards. I lived there free for 3 years with my paycheck piling up in the bank. I did it in Tucson with a parcel with existing funky mobile on it that I eventually trashed in favor of my old Avion. (Airstream style but superior in many regards). I eventually bought another identical trailer that I parked parallel enclosing a “courtyard”, with my wife’s canned-ham-trailer-drawing-studio at one end.
Hippie Hillbilly Heaven.
Forgive the Ohomen style personal disgorgement but this bricolage shelter thing is my long suit, having lived in warehouses, yurts, and trailers, cheap or free, for many years.
Misdemeanor, find a parcel with an existing structure even if it is not rentable or salvageable. Then bring your own mobile housing solution to the site. I may join you investigating the FL panhandle in a month or two. I have to GTF out of Cali and the Gulf sounds great.

SunnyvaleCA says

For, say, a brand new 1500 sq ft trailer, what kind of air conditioning bills would one pay to keep the place below 78 degrees? I'm guessing you can get a well insulated place and that you're not paying 27¢ kw/hr, but aren't you looking at something like $300/month for 8 months of the year?

I believe they're better insulated than expected, though probably not as well as a CBS. I've never heard anybody complain about the cost of cooling a single wide.

Robert Sproul says

Misdemeanor, find a parcel with an existing structure even if it is not rentable or salvageable. Then bring your own mobile housing solution to the site. I may join you investigating the FL panhandle in a month or two. I have to GTF out of Cali and the Gulf sounds great.

Hi Robert, hear exactly what you're saying. There's quite a few old homes, esp. those that get inherited by distant relatives from a passed retired Uncle who lived there a while and don't wanna be bothered up for sale. $55k, $85k, etc. in Mims and Christmas, etc. I just don't want to live in Orange or other Blue Wokey Counties so Christmas is out.

As far as I see, except for the occasional gem, other than saving some of the work I don't see much.

I'm looking up Saint Johns County way (not Saint Augustine which because of the various US News Best Places shit became Super Yuppie expensive) more so than the panhandle. My wife wants to be within an hour or Orlando, and I prefer to be within an hour of Brevard since I have a beach studio I lease out near Cape Canaveral, so it limits the choices, but there's still an overwhelming amount of properties that fit the criteria.

But if you take the time to hunt and are willing to see the value, you can really get some gems. My studio was $70k, half a block from the beach, it was an oddball unit in the building, the only studio among 1-2 Bedrooms. It really is a 1 Bed but was set up really wierd so there's a huge galley kitchen bigger than many older houses off the big room (but no door, though you could easily put one in). I got it because there was a crazy lady in there who let beachcombers rent floor space from her to crash, the place was smokey and old, but nothing a new floor and new paint couldn't fix for just a couple of thousand.

In any case, we'll all be living in an RV and trampling around until I find the spot, and just hanging in RV Parks until whatever lot is ready to go. Then we'll be living in the RV and an outbuilding or two until I decide on what structure to put down.

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Ceffer says

The real hazard in mobile home parks is the homeowner's associations, which can and do get corrupted, and the proximity of your next door neighbors.

And another real hazard is the high land values. The park owners cash out to developers, the public employee unions revel in the raised assessments and revenues for their pensions and retirement medical, and the trailer owners are left owning a doomed white elephant.

Another plus for manufactured homes is that once you have chosen your options, placed your order, arranged your financing and have your lot, they are put in very quickly and with maximum efficiency. You already have your stuff, so no contractors to tear stuff up half way then hold you hostage over and over.

Ceffer says

Another plus for manufactured homes is that once you have chosen your options, placed your order, arranged your financing and have your lot, they are put in very quickly and with maximum efficiency. You already have your stuff, so no contractors to tear stuff up half way then hold you hostage over and over.

Yep. And anchoring that shit in a concrete pad makes it pretty tough. They've apparently gotten better over the years. Also, you can just choose your flooring and other accessories once and be done. No dealing with upteen contractors, they do it all from fabrication to installation to delivery to anchoring it on the pad/foundation.

Steel Buildings have come a long way since Quonset Huts, too.

Plus, you're fucking over realwhores and developers by minimalizing their cut in the whole process. Lots of land is sold and financed by various companies without a Realtor being involved at all (in Florida, at least).

Patrick says

I was just looking at Texas real estate and the tax rate seems to be about 2.3%, though maybe that varies by county and city.

Seems pretty high to me, but then, there's no state income tax.

Depends on a county, I'd say 1.5 to 2.5% Catch though is that property prices are relatively low, so even if % tax is high, you end up paying much less than in CA or NJ.

clambo says

What's the difference in Texas between a divorce and a tornado?
None; either way you lose the trailer.

How is redneck different from everyone else? His house is on wheels, but car on cinder blocks.

What do you call a 350 pound woman in a trailer park? A tornado anchor.

It appears county enforcement and police are targeting people who attempt to subvert American mortgage slavery by purchasing the land and putting a trailer on it

They are threatening to charge endless fines with eventual repossession to pay those fines - to force land owners to remove trailers from their own property This is yet another example, in my humble opinion, of how you don't really "own" your property in America anymore.

A neighbor down the street spent $150,000 to buy a heavily wooded beach lot near my parents house in Florida several years ago. Even then for $150k it was "cheap". I know he didn't want to mortgage 500k-1Ml for a house. So he bought a nice trailer and cleared a super narrow driveway with a circle in the middle of the lot to hide his trailer. You could not really see his trailer from the road. Only a narrow driveway. I don't know how he got septic, water and electricity installed, or was "off the grid" but in any case one of the neighbors - a rich white women from upstate New York - reported him demanding it be removed. She said it was unsightly and was bringing down the value of her property. The bitch lived a mile down the road.He was forced to remove his trailer. The lot is for sale now.

These new homeowners from New York and California - all white - are flooding into my hometown in Florida and ruining it. They decry the lack of diversity compared to the place they moved away from - yet these hypocrites chose to move to one of the whitest cities in Florida.

They are now in the process of slowly turning my hometown into the place they ran away from.

Firstly - they were responsible for installing parking meters because they were upset the beach parking lots were first come first serve. The town depends on tourism and was known for its free parking. Now you have to pay to park between certain hours. They opposed a local hotel that provides more business for my hometown. They want to make certain public beaches private. They are responsible for a ban on beach vacation rentals on south beach end. There are rumors they want to limit driving on the beach. In other words they move to the town - say how nice it is - then proceed to ruin it.

These people are primarily older, very controlling, white - primarily from New York State fleeing COVID. They are driving Real Estate prices through the roof. Flipping houses buying up everything in sight. These people belong in Condo HOA meetings every week bickering about nonsense. They clog up the city council meetings. Money and idleness are not a good combination. It's only a matter of time before they push to section off the south end of the beach and push a closed vote to turn it into a HOA community.

I can't believe that women kicked that man out of his house. The county showed up with a 30 day letter demanding this man remove his trailer. He was forced to remove it at his expense. This is America now I guess .How dare he put a trailer on his own property to avoid rent and mortgage payments.

Michael Cooke says

They are now in the process of slowly turning my hometown into the place they ran away from.

This is happening to many unspoiled Red areas across the country.

Michael Cooke says

They are now in the process of slowly turning my hometown into the place they ran away from.

I am one of the ones trying to flee California, but at least I can boast that nearly every single item on every single ballot goes opposite of my vote. From here, those $1MM and $2MM houses look mighty nice... and cheap! No danger of me ruining Florida (other than driving prices and tax revenue up).

I'm an avid sailor, so looking at places in Cape Coral. Could someone tell me what they think of this place? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5328-Coral-Ave-Cape-Coral-FL-33904/45436794_zpid/

I'm thinking the benefits are: nearly new with all the nice amenities that entails, more than large enough, direct sailboat access to the world. The profits from my shack in Sunnyvale, even after the real-estate cartel and the government, will pay for the thing outright.

SunnyvaleCA says

Michael Cooke says

They are now in the process of slowly turning my hometown into the place they ran away from.

I am one of the ones trying to flee California, but at least I can boast that nearly every single item on every single ballot goes opposite of my vote. From here, those $1MM and $2MM houses look mighty nice... and cheap! No danger of me ruining Florida (other than driving prices and tax revenue up).

I'm an avid sailor, so looking at places in Cape Coral. Could someone tell me what they think of this place? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5328-Coral-Ave-Cape-Coral-FL-33904/45436794_zpid/

I'm thinking the benefits are: nearly new with all the nice amenities that entails, more than large enough, direct sailboat access to the world. The profits ...

That's the exact area where I took walks with my Grandpa until age 24. He owned a house on the canal. I'm not the best person for an opinion because I'm biased obviously. Grandpa purchased his house for $30,000. After he passed in 2005 Grandma sold it for over $800,000.00 and the guy who mortgaged it could not afford the property taxes. All the houses have canals with concrete siding. Be careful when your at the back edge of your yard . ha ha. You fall in there you have to swim to the dock to get out ha ha. You can fish off your canal but all you catch is Catfish. You will get a bite in 60 seconds or less. But it's always a Catfish. Ha ha.


There used to be a Yacht club bar down the street where all the boaters would get together. You can keep a sailboat on your canal and take it out the Gulf. But if you had to ask me if it was worth over 1 Mil to live there... honestly I would say no. That's an insane price and I can't imagine those houses appreciating simply because they are on the canal. Most of those houses were 1 level houses or with vaulted ceilings. Everyone has nice driveways. It feels "tropical". I haven't been there since 2006.

There was a man down the street who lived with his parents his entire life and nobody knew. When his parents died he had this awesome house on a canal but could not take care of himself and the rats started filling up the house. Neighbors called the police because of the stench. They carted him off to the nut house. The state took away his house and sold it. He got nothing. I always wondered who got that house because it was one of those house of horrors you see on the news yet it was the "biggest" one.

Other than that it was a peaceful area. Nice neighbors. It had a very flat yet peaceful feel to the place.

If your into Sailing it's ideal. No slip fees. But I remember them complaining because the had a canal tax or something. You would have to check that out yourself IDK if its included with the property taxes. There is no way I would pay over 1 million for it. Even if I could afford to. I was blown away my Grandma got $800,000.00 for a $30,000.00 house. Cannot imagine it being 1-2 million in that area now. Crazy. Honestly I would not pay 1 million plus to live there. We had relatives on a place nearby called Sanibel Island. That is where I would live for 1-2 million. Not Cape Coral. My Aunt sold an amazing house there for 400k back in the day and watched it skyrocket to over 1 million during the 2006 bubble. They had a bridge there where you had some kind of bridge pass. Or you had to pay money or something. I know they were talking about a HOA when my aunt sold her house there. Not sure if they have a HOA there now. But for 1-2 M I would look at Sanibel Island. That place was sweet.


















Last time I was there

Michael Cooke says

It appears county enforcement and police are targeting people who attempt to subvert American mortgage slavery by purchasing the land and putting a trailer on it

I'm developing the opinion that the West Coast is more buttinsky than the East Coast, esp around Tampa. Yeah South Florida is regulated, but most dense places are. Well off Minnesotans, the NPR Subscriber kind, are the absolute worst for Buttinskyism though. Sticking their nose in windows like Grumpy Old Men, particularly the Well Off Bureaucrat/Teacher kind. Not that snobby NY'er Karens are that much better.

Best bets for people to MYOB are the North and East Central parts of the Coast, and the Panhandle. It's more honky. Worst for nosey neighbors and regulators is Hillsborough and Miami-Dade, esp around the snobby parts. Broward throws the book in Fort Lauderdale and other NY Rich heavy areas, but of course lets the Negroes and Hispanics mostly be in the Western part of the county (but don't bank on it).

Never, ever drive in Aventura, esp around that mall - absolute worst drivers. Lots of NYC Drivers, + the advanced age and entitlement factor. Only Storrow Drive in Boston comes close. Also very bad is Sunny Isles - Mix of Russian Mafiosos who can't drive for shit, and Elderly Jews who can't see for shit.

Of course, the real culprits are Realwhores and Developers. Some guy said "You can't live in an RV while building. Rvs are for a campground." I said "Like Daniel Boone had to stay in the campground and build his log cabin down the road?" So Unamerican.

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Michael Cooke says

I was blown away my Grandma got $800,000.00 for a $30,000.00 house. Cannot imagine it being 1-2 million in that area now. Crazy. Honestly I would not pay 1 million plus to live there. We had relatives on a place nearby called Sanibel Island. That is where I would live for 1-2 million. Not Cape Coral.

Thanks for so much thoughtful info. Yeah, Sanibel Island is nice. The key distinction with Cape Coral is being directly on the "river" (best), within short distance to the river with no bridges in the way (OK), merely on one of the canals with a long ride to get out and no hope with a sailboat mast (no thanks), and, finally, not even on the canal (at which point the land value is practically zero).

I don't know about the house you reference above, but in my area 60-year-old houses originally costing $26k are going for about $2MM now. The attraction is being walking or biking distance to Apple's Spaceship and Infinite Loop campuses. I pulled the plug just last week (yup I finally did it!) and so I could walk there but they won't let me in the door any more!

SunnyvaleCA says

Could someone tell me what they think of this place?

It seems similar to what my buddy just bought in Saint Petersburg just North of that but he paid 2.3M. His is bigger, the former owner apparently raised the foundation and 'drilled down and attached it to bedrock'.

He said he's going to 'flip yachts', in his back yard haha..

HeadSet says

Michael Cooke says

They are now in the process of slowly turning my hometown into the place they ran away from.

This is happening to many unspoiled Red areas across the country.

A possible upside:

If the liberal idiots move to a majority red state, they probably won't have the numbers to change, say, the electoral college votes.

But they will be draining liberal votes from their own states.

So you can be roottiest tootiest heehawing Gun toting Jesus preaching redneck insurrection deplorable who votes for America and freedom maga!!!

Patrick says

A possible upside:

If the liberal idiots move to a majority red state, they probably won't have the numbers to change, say, the electoral college votes.

But they will be draining liberal votes from their own states.

Yes, they will have the numbers to change local and statewide elections. Example - Virginia and Georgia. Next, North Carolina.

And they will not be effectively draining liberal votes away from the blue states. Those states have plenty of blue in reserve, and import more every day if the form of illegals.

It is like having a metastasized cancer. Having liver cancer does not mean your lung cancer has gone into remission.