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Sweden's ambassador to the U.S. believes the country's controversial strategy of imposing only limited restrictions — and not locking down the country — is bearing success, with the capital Stockholm on course to reach herd immunity in the next few weeks.
"About 30% of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity," Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter told NPR. "We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month."
Herd immunity means the majority of a given population has become immune to an infectious disease by either recovering from it or through vaccination. Some researchers have put the threshold for coronavirus herd immunity at 60% in some areas.
If this is accurate, Stockholm IFR is around 0.56%.Do you know the method used to calculate the IFR? If it is based upon PCR, it will underestimate exposed folks by a factor of over 10.
what nobody is really mentioning is that Sweden is just letting the disease kill it's people.
No, what we are saying is the 1M to 2M is very inflated, and the real number will not be changed significantly by a lock down.
WookieMan saysTL:DR - We're killing otherwise healthy people, businesses, families, marriages, education, etc. for some people close to meeting the Grim Reaper anyway. Not logical one bit.
This is why the president was asked "How many deaths are acceptable?" which of course he said none. What a lot of you are saying here is we should let 1M to 2M Americans die, based on some not very well worked out ideas of their survival prospects if they had not contracted the virus.
1M to 2M is not very inflated. Iceland's data is consistent with IFR of 0.5%, and New York is looking closer to 1%.You continually evade the question of how these people are diagnosed. PCR under reports folks who have been infected, as the method relies on the detection of viral DNA, which won't be around when your immune system clears out the virus. Symptoms as well under report.
Swedish are extremely bizarre leftoids/socialists who occasionally show a lot of common sense.
Yeah, funny how that works.
New York's antibody studies are going to be the best data we have for a while. Largest study with 7500 people, and a high rate of positive infection.
Mainly because
Being socialist, when the government intervenes it's more nuanced and measured. WE end up with a sledge hammer, over doing it, and not knowing how to transition out of it, with the politicization and polarization just making it all the more difficult. Everyone wants to vilify the other pole and not let them have credit for solutions.
Trump Cultists are too married to one pole to comprehend what I'm talking about.
NoCoupForYou saysMainly because
Being socialist, when the government intervenes it's more nuanced and measured. WE end up with a sledge hammer, over doing it, and not knowing how to transition out of it, with the politicization and polarization just making it all the more difficult. Everyone wants to vilify the other pole and not let them have credit for solutions.
Trump Cultists are too married to one pole to comprehend what I'm talking about.
We've lost the ability to collectively make decisions. If NYT or Brietbart publishes an article with the perfect solution, half the country is not going to want to believe it.
Can you not see how fucked up that is ?
Sweden doesn't have ourproblem.
So you think hard Blue States in the USA are over-reacting? It's not Trump and the "Trumpets" pushing for endless quarantine of healthy people.
Dude, I share data all the time. NYC is based on the anti-body study, now with the 2nd stage done.Thanks. Not sure what it means, compared to antibody tests in other regions. We don't know the composition of the 3000 random walk-ins. And as Wookieman pointed out, the sickest die off first.
All Trump can think about is winning. Instead of inviting bipartisan meetings and decision making on this that everyone can share credit for.
U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents who are married to illegal immigrants are not eligible to receive $1,200 stimulus payments under the $2.2 trillion CARES Act that Congress passed.
Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) has introduced a bill to change that and allow each partner in a mixed status couple — legal and illegal — to receive coronavirus stimulus payments for a total of $2,400, if they filed joint tax returns.
Eligible recipients also receive $500 per child under 17 listed on their tax return for 2018 or 2019. The income ceiling for the full payments is $75,000 for single filers and $150,000 for joint filers.
Under the CARES Act, which passed the Democrat-led House of Representatives with a voice vote last month, anyone who filed a joint tax return with an illegal immigrant who uses a tax ID number in place of a Social Security number (SSN) is not eligible for the payments.
Omar's bill, titled the Recovery Rebates Improvement Act, would "amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow 2020 recovery rebates for individuals filing a joint return if one spouse satisfies the valid identification number requirement."
Note "Fatality rate 45-63: 0.8%" -- those are crap odds don't you think? Remember the rightists trying to argue it's just 0.1% overall? We're probably looking at the need to isolate everyone over 45 or 50.
“Using statistical methods, we are 95 percent certain the true amount of infection lies between 4.4 percent and 7.9 percent of the population,” Gimenez said. That means somewhere between 123,000 to 221,000 residents potentially have been infected by the virus.
What rightists have tried to argue is it's just 0.1% overall with a majority of that being 70+.
NoCoupForYou saysThreeBays saysNote "Fatality rate 45-63: 0.8%" -- those are crap odds don't you think? Remember the rightists trying to argue it's just 0.1% overall? We're probably looking at the need to isolate everyone over 45 or 50.
Is 45-63 the same as the entire population? What is the rate 0-17? 18-44?
It's lower in those ranges, but doesn't change my point.
What rightists have tried to argue is it's just 0.1% overall with a majority of that being 70+.
We need mass civil disobedience.
All the arguments against what I put up are contrarian opinions that aren't supported by facts and critical thinking. They also happen to be from rightists.
Do you have the data? Do the Bakersfield MDs want us to be like New York?
As of May 19, Sweden had more coronavirus deaths per capita than any other country in Europe, according to the Financial Times.
Also, I'd better trust Norway health chief than random Patnet commentators who have shown some lack of scientific knowledge:
Actually some Patnet commenters have been pretty spot on in comparison to the experts.
As of May 19, Sweden had more coronavirus deaths per capita than any other country in Europe, according to the Financial Times. Sweden’s death rate soared well above the neighboring Scandinavian countries that mandated their people stay at home: While Sweden has more than 3,300 excess deaths—a figure calculated comparing the number of deaths during the same time frame last year—Denmark had 300, while Norway and Finland had fewer than 100 each, according to the New York Times. Iceland’s death toll after its lockdown has been an impressive 11 times lower than the current figures in Sweden. These numbers make it clear: Sweden’s risky bet on keeping their economy open—placing its faith on the concept of herd immunity—wasn’t worth the hand.
https://www.ft.com/content/46733256-5a84-4429-89e0-8cce9d4095e4
50% of all US Cases happened in LTC Facilities, though occupants are only 1.5% of the US Population.
WookieMan saysActually some Patnet commenters have been pretty spot on in comparison to the experts.
not the ones who advocate permanent shutdowns and praise the glory of progressive governors
STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden last week recorded no excess mortality compared to the average of the past five years for the first time since COVID-19 struck a country whose death toll in the pandemic has eclipsed that of its neighbours, statistics showed on Monday. ...
The agency said the only demographic with excess mortality in Sweden last week were people aged 90 and above. ...
Unlike most other countries in western Europe, Sweden opted against a full lockdown, keeping most schools and nearly all businesses open while seeking to leverage mostly voluntary restrictions and recommendations on social distancing.
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