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Chiromancer says

No even that wouldn't matter, and Barr will never allow a federal indictment. State indictment possible but if it happened it would be blown off as political. Only thing that would make the Republicans turn against him would be if his cult crumbled. And that is seems very unlikely. Trump will never take responsibility for anything politically damaging and his cult believes he tells the truth in the face of thousands of lies, that's what cults do. For example: Huckleberry Sanders said Trump reads more than anybody she knows. Since Trump doesn't or can't read either that's a flat out lie or as a cult member she really believes it. I think the latter. The cult is strong.

Yes, yes, Trump is an idiot moron who has outflanked the entire Establishment since Summer 2015.

If so, it's all the more reason to keep him in - he's the least idiotic.

Chiromancer says

No even that wouldn't matter, and Barr will never allow a federal indictment. State indictment possible but if it happened it would be blown off as political. Only thing that would make the Republicans turn against him would be if his cult crumbled.

So why all the crocodile tears if you already know what's going to happen? Why waste your time? What is there to gain?

I think the reality is, and it took waaaayyyyyy too fucking long, is that the left has realized he's not that bad a POTUS. Let's take Obama's 2nd term to make it a little more even because of the shit show Bush gave him. Trump has demolished Obama's 2nd term in 3 years. With almost little help. People act like Republicans are all on board. Many still aren't, but it has taken the better part of 2 years for people to realize things are better. Better for rich. Better for poor. Better for middle.

The people I've blocked in other forums/sites have dropped their arguments against Trump and have realized life is fine. There's a small faction here though that continues to bitch with no supporting evidence. Ever. It's annoying.

We can all blame s-video for this tragedy...

WookieMan says

Come on, you know he’s not going anywhere. Especially with RBG potentially dying.

President Trump should declare that he is identifying as a woman. The left will have to celebrate “Donna Trump” as the first woman President. He is married to Melania, so he will also be the first gay president and the first lesbian president. All should be happy!

WookieMan says

is that the left has realized he's not that bad a POTUS.

This dream world that the cultists live in is really astonishing. Trump's approval rating in any legit poll has never topped 50 %. Typically he is in the mid to low 40's. This hasn't changed, he hasn't increased his base of support, but he has maintained it. Not sure where these leftists who think Trump is not a bad Pres are located, maybe Russia?

WookieMan says

The people I've blocked in other forums/sites have dropped their arguments against Trump and have realized life is fine.

This makes no sense. How can you know peoples opinions when they are blocked? So why spend ones time on various forums supporting Trump? The Trump supporters here, some are posting continuously. Very few anti Trump posters do so. I dont, and wont, dont have the time or interest but do enjoy interacting with the other side as long as it doesn't get personal that's the only time I block somebody. Done it once or twice.

Booger says

first gay president

First 'acknowledged' gay president. The stats prolly indicate that there were a few closeted, and Obama is only closeted as per his Manchurian legend.

Chiromancer says

This makes no sense. How can you know peoples opinions when they are blocked? So why spend ones time on various forums supporting Trump? The Trump supporters here, some are posting continuously. Very few anti Trump posters do so. I dont, and wont, dont have the time or interest but do enjoy interacting with the other side as long as it doesn't get personal that's the only time I block somebody. Done it once or twice.

Assumptions. You assume I blocked people that were only anti Trump.... wrong. This site is the only one I intentionally leave wide open for various reasons and I don't block anyone.

Other sites though, yes I blocked people. It started early in 2016 roughly. Anyone that had a moronic political comment or was posting way too much politics, regardless of affiliation was blocked. Left or right. These's aren't sites like Patnet where presumably most people here have no clue who each other is. These are people I actually know, went to school with, work with etc. I can talk with them in person, but on most sites, even though blocked I can still see their posting history.

Long story short, yes it make total sense as it actually happened and I verified it. But hey, I guess people's own personal interactions and actual life events are no longer real now... jesus.

Booger says

President Trump should declare that he is identifying as a woman. The left will have to celebrate “Donna Trump” as the first woman President. He is married to Melania, so he will also be the first gay president and the first lesbian president. All should be happy!

Now you've done it. Biden will see this and steal the idea. We will now see Josephine Biden running to be the first transexual lesbian President.

WookieMan says

The people I've blocked in other forums/sites have dropped their arguments against Trump and have realized life is fine.

Ok but it wasn't an assumption as the post specifically speaks of blocked people having dropped their arguments against Trump. no big deal I am sure many varieties of opinion and posting have been.blocked. But here is a question and an honest one, where do people get the time to continually post, often long linked posts on this and other forums?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/house-dem-brenda-lawrence-trump-impeachment.amp

And it begins. Brenda Lawrence, a Congresswoman from Michigan in a safely blue district now “sees no value in impeachment” and is moving for a censure vote to formally slap the President’s hand... which means precisely nothing.

BobD says

Don't worry, he'll be impeached. Must likely not removed but definitely impeached.

Aaaand we’ve placed our bets! In the words of everyone’s favorite Sicilian, “Now we will see who is right, and who is dead!”

BobD says

Must likely not removed but definitely impeached.

Your lips to God's ears. I look forward to the Senate Impeachment!

Chiromancer says

But here is a question and an honest one, where do people get the time to continually post, often long linked posts on this and other forums?

I don't actively comment elsewhere. Just read to catch up on other sites with people I know in the real world. Even when I'm active here I'd say I'm no more than 10 minutes per dat on average posting/commenting here. Certain days more for sure, but sometimes I'll take a couple weeks off even checking in here.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Dems will impeach.

I think you are still on the Legacy Media Blue Pill.

BobD says

Don't worry, he'll be impeached. Must likely not removed but definitely impeached.

On what specific charge?

Not expecting a coherent answer.

Nothing I have read here has changed my mind. Trump will not be impeached because the Dems aren’t suicidal. Cracks are already showing in their brick wall following a few poll results. I know that those cracks are just symptoms of a pervasive rot. That wall is about to crumble!

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

People ran with that like it was conclusive, which is stupid.

What? So you lead with the bad witnesses first and then bring the heat later? Yeah, that makes sense in today's world...

I think impeachment rests on how much pull Biden has with the Democrats. If the party insiders want Biden for president no way will there be impeachment. The senate trial will be much worse for him then Trump.

If Bidens out, then they’ll impeach to fire up the base.

Why not impeared?
Nobody gets anything done when they're impeared.
don't you want to neutralize the Orange Float???

Onvacation says

BobD says

Don't worry, he'll be impeached. Must likely not removed but definitely impeached.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

My comments were based on watching the testimony. You can say it was a bad strategy if you want, but it's what they did.

I hear you, but strategy does matter. I was out of town and couldn't watch the 3 hearings last week. Watched the first two all the way through (95%ish). I'm not sure I would have watched the next 3 hearings even if I was in town based on the first two. Given the feedback and drop off in support of impeachment I think a lot of people thought this inquiry hit with a THUD the first week.

We'll see. I think the Dems in the House fold and don't vote or don't get enough votes to impeach and send this to the Senate. Either way, he's not getting removed from office and this is a waste of time while we could be focusing on real problems.

OccasionalCortex says

because the intelligence services have declared that this was not so.

Yes the Russian intelligence service denies it. But which American intelligence service denied Russian intetference changed votes, they take no position on the matter. That votes were changed is impossible to know. But clearly the Russians thought it worked, they got their puppet.

“ WASHINGTON, D.C.—The impeachment hearings have been thrown into chaos after President Trump announced that he supports impeachment, forcing Democrats to oppose their own impeachment inquiry.

Impeachment? I'm for it. Great idea. Best idea, maybe ever," he said, adding that he's "getting kinda sick of all this winning anyway."

"Sure, why not. Impeach me. I love it. Whatever. Now I'm gonna go watch Joker again. Great film. What's that guy's name? Phoenix something. Bob Phoenix, that's it. Tremendous actor---absolutely perfect."

Democrats quickly condemned his statements. Pelosi said, "It's clear that Trump wants to be impeached because he's not good at being president. Well, we're going to show him a thing or two by forcing him to stay in the White House and finish out his term."

"And Joker is alt-right propaganda," she said, falling for Trump's ploy to make Dems condemn one of the most successful, beloved films of the year.

One pundit on CNN suggested that Trump is supporting impeachment at the request of Putin or the guy from Ukraine or "whichever conspiracy thing we're pushing this month, I forget."

At publishing time, Democrats had also withdrawn from the 2020 race to teach Trump a lesson.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/in-genius-move-trump-supports-impeachment-forcing-democrats-to-oppose-it

Listen Repugs, it's MUELLER TIME!!!

Just you wait!!!

OccasionalCortex says

Provide HARD PROOF that a single vote was altered by Russian interference.

There is only one scientific study about Russian interference, and the conclusion they come to is "Russian disinformation campaigns on Twitter may not actually work".

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2224937-russian-disinformation-campaigns-on-twitter-may-not-actually-work/

Everything else is partisan psychobabble without any proof provided. But our friends on Left will disagree because ORANGEMANBAD

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

twitter does not encompass their involvement.

What does then?

It is documented that Russians spent a few tens, at most hundreds of thousands of $$$ on Twitter and Facebook, and unleashed some trolls on other websites. So, if there was no effect on Twitter, I do not see how there would be effect on Facebook etc as well. If I would have to guess, the reason for Russian involvement was not to change US election results, but to steal money from their state budget, which is the only thing Putin the Great regime knows well, as in general they are incompetent morons.

This is the only scientific study that I have seen about results of Russian involvement.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Third, the Dems have sent lots of legislation to the Senate. It goes nowhere. Chuck and Nancy made a deal with Trump to give him his wall in exchange for DACA, and Trump renegged. There is no good will for both sides, so legislation will not happen.

And the USCM trade bill? Bipartisan support! Completely stalled in the house. Meanwhile only thoroughly poisoned bills of purely Democrat origin have made it to the Senate. Nancy doesn’t want any legislation to make it to Trump’s desk! She very specifically doesn’t want him to get to sign anything important. There’s plenty of bipartisan legislation that would easily pass the senate and be signed, stuff like lowered drug prices (without poison pills, thank you very much). Stuff like legalizing marijuana, which there’s a bill or two right now that the Speaker is utterly ignoring.
NOTHING SIGNIFICANT can be allowed to make it to Trump’s desk!
I’m amazed that you can’t see this truly transparent fact!

From your link:

The charges took specific aim at the Internet Research Agency (IRA), a notorious Russian "troll factory" which focused on sowing political discord during the 2016 election by using internet bots to spread fake news and pro-Donald Trump propaganda on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media platforms.

1. We know it did not work on Twitter. Why should Facebook etc be different?
2. Budget of $1.25M does not mean anything, as I said above likely $1.1M was stolen and $0.1M used for buying ads, Please see this:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/01/russian-facebook-ad-spend/

Russian information troll farm the Internet Research Agency spent just 0.05 percent as much on Facebook ads as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump’s campaigns combined in the run-up to the 2016 U.S. presidential election, yet still reached a massive audience. While there might have been other Russian disinformation groups, the IRA spent $46,000 on pre-election day Facebook ads compared to $81 million spent by Clinton and Trump together, discluding political action committees who could have spent even more than that on the campaigns’ behalf.

And I have to believe that somehow <<0.05% spending had a massive influence?

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Also, I'm not sure I believe the conclusions in your cited article. I only read your link, but it contains some doozies:

This was published in a peer-reviewed, very high impact journal (PNAS, link: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/11/20/1906420116), and so I am inclined to believe it unless another peer-reviewed investigation speaks against it.

And there is more data that the "Russian election interference" is most likely BS:

https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-elections-interference/

The reports, from the University of Oxford’s Computational Propaganda Research Project and the firm New Knowledge, do provide the most thorough look at Russian social-media activity to date. With an abundance of data, charts, graphs, and tables, coupled with extensive qualitative analysis, the authors scrutinize the output of the Internet Research Agency (IRA) the Russian clickbait firm indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller in February 2018. On every significant metric, it is difficult to square the data with the dramatic conclusions that have been drawn.

• 2016 Election Content: The most glaring data point is how minimally Russian social-media activity pertained to the 2016 campaign. The New Knowledge report acknowledges that evaluating IRA content “purely based on whether it definitively swung the election is too narrow a focus,” as the “explicitly political content was a small percentage.” To be exact, just “11% of the total content” attributed to the IRA and 33 percent of user engagement with it “was related to the election.” The IRA’s posts “were minimally about the candidates,” with “roughly 6% of tweets, 18% of Instagram posts, and 7% of Facebook posts” having “mentioned Trump or Clinton by name.”

And even more intersting: Covert or Clickbait Operation? Far from exposing a sophisticated propaganda campaign, the reports provide more evidence that the Russians were actually engaging in clickbait capitalism: targeting unique demographics like African Americans or evangelicals in a bid to attract large audiences for commercial purposes. Reporters who have profiled the IRA have commonly described it as “a social media marketing campaign.” Mueller’s indictment of the IRA disclosed that it sold “promotions and advertisements” on its pages that generally sold in the $25-$50 range. “This strategy,” Oxford observes, “is not an invention for politics and foreign intrigue, it is consistent with techniques used in digital marketing.” New Knowledge notes that the IRA even sold merchandise that “perhaps provided the IRA with a source of revenue,” hawking goods such as T-shirts, “LGBT-positive sex toys and many variants of triptych and 5-panel artwork featuring traditionally conservative, patriotic themes.”

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Russians aren't using big ad buys to run commercials. That would not have a good return.

Might want to tell Bloomberg that. lol.

I appreciate that you're mentioning that both sides are causing a hold up in getting things done. Because that's correct. I'm not sure which side gives in first, but this impeachment thing is a joke. We get too hung up on the POTUS. Congress is the bigger piece of shit because there are too many personalities. You see them in these hearings both left and right. It's annoying. Just fucking get something done.

The reason the left is SO HUNG UP on Trump being President and anxious to impeach him is that:
1)The POTUS appoints judges including SCOTUS justices
2)The Left has relied on Left-leaning political activist judges and justices to enact their Leftist GloboHomo agenda, since it is way too radical to pass Congress and and President.
3)Letting Trump appoint more Constitutional justices will totally screw the Left’s plan to judicially legislate more Leftist agenda. The left will be nerfed for a generation!

That’s why it’s important to get Trump back in office for another four years. The SCOTUS is too important, and thwarts Democrat plans to pass their agenda by judicial fiat.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Well we agree that both sides are guilty of doing what is in their own interest. I put a lot of the blame on Trump, because he sets the tone, and he is an attention black hole

100% on both sides being BS artists. With regards to Trump, sure he has the biggest microphone and platform to influence. But to say he sets the tone isn't always true. The Dems have a leadership problem in both House and Senate. Not sure if Pelosi ever had a prime because I never really followed her before recent time, but she exudes zero confidence and struggles to even get a coherent message out. Behind closed doors it's already been stated that many didn't want her as speaker after their '18 victory in the House. I don't blame them from what I've seen.

You need a strong confident person to go up against the likes of Trump and she's not that. I'm not sexist as there are strong woman out that can mess with Trump, but she's a weak, old, woman. If the Dems had a hand, they have to realize there's still a thumb on it and you might want to point it at yourself instead of Trump all the time. I can't even listen to Schumer. He sounds like a whiny bitch. The fact is, these two came from the coasts and are not representative of the country as a whole regardless of how populous their districts or states are.

Until they get the message that the Dem platform is utter retardation in it's current form, they'll lose POTUS indefinitely. As Millennials age as the now largest population group, they're going to turn more conservative as has always played out in history. They'll always be competitive in the House, but I could see a decade and maybe even two of Republican control of all 3 branches with the occasional House swing due to the huge populous coastal states. This whole impeachment is nothing but failed policy and execution by Democrats. It has nothing to do with Trump, he's just their scapegoat because they got their assess handed to them by a NYC real estate developer and casino operator.

This is why I think the Democratic party might actually crash and burn and go out of existence. May come back with the same name, but it will be completely different leadership and message. I think the OP title might be better suited "Does the Democratic Party Exist After 11/3/2020?"

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Many on the left hate Trump, because of his relentless assault on the truth

What is Trump's biggest (not hyperbole) baddest lie?

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/12/05/dem-rep-van-drew-ill-vote-against-impeachment-unless-theres-something-new/

More cracks in the Dem dam. How many Dems won’t vote to impeach? I will be surprised if it’s any less than 30.

Dems are fooked.

Shaman says

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/12/05/dem-rep-van-drew-ill-vote-against-impeachment-unless-theres-something-new/

More cracks in the Dem dam. How many Dems won’t vote to impeach? I will be surprised if it’s any less than 30.

So it seems there is no bi-partisan vote for impeachment, but there is now bi-partisan support against impeachment?

Shaman says

I will be surprised if it’s any less than 30.

30 might be a bit high, but I also wouldn't be shocked if it got that high. I've said as much that I don't think the House will successfully vote on articles to impeach already.

But the problem is that the House was totally one sided in the public hearings. So the left/dem base thinks there's something there when there isn't if they had just watched say 6 hours of all these hearings unfiltered. So they'll pressure their reps, even in the purple/red areas because they're soooo pissed and having a 3 year temper tantrum. The right is just like whatever, so all these reps are just hearing a vocal minority.

Also, the behind closed door stuff, according to House members involved (and the only place to get this is MSM) is there is "damning" evidence against the POTUS and it's all spun up to be a "crime crime" bs. (edit: "high crime" but I kind of like crime crime lol) But people are too blind to question why this "damning" evidence WON'T be presented to the public. The dems are feeding their own party constituents poison and seemingly have no idea.

I finally watched (mostly) that Biden video at the swimming pool. His campaign for the Democratic nomination is over. If he somehow wins the nomination, 2020 is already in the bag for Trump. And this had nothing to do with Ukraine, Hunter, Burisma, etc. The guy is a certifiable creep. Anyone that thinks his speech/talk at that pool was normal shouldn't be allowed to vote. Period.

WookieMan says

Shaman says

I will be surprised if it’s any less than 30.

30 might be a bit high, but I also wouldn't be shocked if it got that high. I've said as much that I don't think the House will successfully vote on articles to impeach already.

But the problem is that the House was totally one sided in the public hearings. So the left/dem base thinks there's something there when there isn't if they had just watched say 6 hours of all these hearings unfiltered. So they'll pressure their reps, even in the purple/red areas because they're soooo pissed and having a 3 year temper tantrum. The right is just like whatever, so all these reps are just hearing a vocal minority.

Also, the behind closed door stuff, according to House members involved (and the only place to get this is MSM) is there is "damning" evidence against the POTUS and it's all spun up to be a "crime crime" bs. (edit: "high cr...

lol this is truly a terrible video. I doubt though that he gets anything sexual out of it - he is just a socially very awkward guy but ironically in a way that makes him come on (too) strong which women generally love, and esp. older long-post-wall womyn don't mind that he's old and creepy, they get some self worth out of it and the long lost feeling of attractiveness, so he has been - despite his creepyness - traditionally pretty well liked and thus - as crazy as it sounds - is probably the most likable candidate among the Dems. Which says a lot about the quality of their candidates and should ensure four more years of Trump.

As Democrat leadership barrels forward on impeachment, moderate Democrats are reportedly feeling anxious and frustrated over its political consequences.

“The fact of the matter is this does have political consequences and the people who will suffer significant political consequences are our moderate members,” a moderate Democrat told CNN on Friday.



https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/12/06/moderate-democrats-frustrated-anxious-as-leadership-barrels-towards-impeachment/

Nancy and Schifty releases their two articles of impeachment today. Abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.
Both are total bullshit and they didn’t even stick around to defend them. They know this is just a show for the rubes and the vote will fail.