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marcus says

Meanwhile, 70% of the public thinks Trump committed impeachable offense.

Yes...210,000,000 people have verified that.........lol....or did they hang a questionnaire next to the water cooler and 10 people checked the boxes.......3 said no and 7 said yes....lol

marcus says

Do you people even care if Trump did it or not ?

If he withheld aid in exchange for corruption investigation of Burisma and an en passant look into whatever the Bidens were doing in Ukraine in 2015? Do I care? Hell no! That’s what needs to be done! If Biden isn’t guilty of selling out his office for money then he has nothing to worry about. That’s what you Democrats have been preaching about the three fucking year investigation into Trump! But when the shoe is on the other foot: ZOMG ABUSE OF POWER IMPEACH!

You really are ridiculous.

Shaman says

If he withheld aid in exchange for corruption investigation of Burisma and an en passant look into whatever the Bidens were doing in Ukraine in 2015? Do I care? Hell no! That’s what needs to be done! If Biden isn’t guilty of selling out his office for money then he has nothing to worry about. That’s what you Democrats have been preaching about the three fucking year investigation into Trump! But when the shoe is on the other foot: ZOMG ABUSE OF POWER IMPEACH!

Boom. Post of the day.

Is the Police Accountability Report suggesting a boycott of Chinese products?

jazz_music says

I have most of them on ignore.

Ignorance CAN be a choice.

Well then, lets start caging the kids at the border, and then we can look into trump ukraine possibilities...

jazz_music says

BlueSardine says

The rule of law means nothing today.

Agreed

WookieMan says

There's no actual evidence. None.

I get it, that that's what you would think if you live in a fact free right wing bubble.

But what you might try some day is read good analysis from both sides of the argument, and only then make up your mind. I don't know if it's enough or not. But I believe it's clear Trump did what they say he did, and I believe there are people close to Trump that know that, and could be subpoenaed.

I don't know what's going to happen, and you don't hear me saying it's a foregone conclusion that he will be impeached in the senate, or that he will resign, I do believe he did it though, and that it could be proven, if congress actually wanted to know.

Instead the republicans obfuscate, while all the idiot followers in their right wing bubble claim there's nothing there.

I don't know. I just feel bad for you people that you can't even be honest with yourself.

marcus says

I get it, that that's what you would think if you live in a fact free right wing bubble.

But what you might try some day is read good analysis from both sides of the argument, and only then make up your mind. I don't know if it's enough or not. But I believe it's clear Trump did what they say he did, and I believe there are people close to Trump that know that, and could be subpoenaed.

I don't know what's going to happen, and you don't hear me saying it's a foregone conclusion that he will be impeached in the senate, or that he will resign, I do believe he did it though, and that it could be proven, if congress actually wanted to know.

Instead the republicans obfuscate, while all the idiot followers in their right wing bubble claim there's nothing there.

I don't know. I just feel bad for you people that you can't even be honest with yourself.

I missed the part where you provided Wookie the evidence.

www.youtube.com/embed/NMocD8DtDIo

marcus says

I get it, that that's what you would think if you live in a fact free right wing bubble.

I don't live in a bubble. I just watched the previous week's hearings about 95% start to finish. Didn't watch anything this week because 1) I was out of town on vacation 2) it would have been an utter waste of time.

At no point did I gather this opinion or any other opinion based on ANY news site or network. Just my reaction to ACTUALLY watching the hearings. Notice I have not thrown around terms like witch hunt and other talking points. I'm probably one of the most independent Patnetter's. I voted for Obama. I'd say on local down ballot elections I'm 40% for the D's. I lean R slightly because I'm for less government and less taking of money I've earned. But I also understand we need public services that can benefit all of us and will vote for decent D candidates when/where they exist.

This entire process is a threat to our country though. There's no other way to look at it. I've said here and other places I'm not a fan of Trump. That by no means having the House initiate the impeachment process over a phone call where all the allegations against a sitting POTUS are opinions and "feelings" about a fucking phone call that almost EVERYONE testifying wasn't even on over a question of potential crimes of a sitting VP who is now and still a normal citizen!

There was a simple thing the Democrats could have done. Just one. Have JUST ONE fucking decent option for their nomination process. They've failed epically and this is their solution? And you defend it? Why?

BobD says

WookieMan says

This entire process is a threat to our country though. There's no other way to look at it.

It is no more a threat than the Impeachment of Bill Clinton. Get over it.

Got it.... So from day 1 (hell before day 1) Clinton was threatened to be impeached? For zero reason? Got it.

This whole thing has been hysterical, but thank you for giving me a good morning chuckle to get the day started. FYI, Bill's impeachment was bullshit too. So guess what, I'm over it buddy as there was nothing to get over.

WookieMan says

BobD says

WookieMan says

This entire process is a threat to our country though. There's no other way to look at it.

It is no more a threat than the Impeachment of Bill Clinton. Get over it.

Got it.... So from day 1 (hell before day 1) Clinton was threatened to be impeached? For zero reason? Got it.

This whole thing has been hysterical, but thank you for giving me a good morning chuckle to get the day started. FYI, Bill's impeachment was bullshit too. So guess what, I'm over it buddy as there was nothing to get over.

Yeah, except Clinton was found guilty and later fined and disbarred for a while.
They'll never convict Trump of anything - there is truly no crime here.

WookieMan says

BobD says

WookieMan says

This entire process is a threat to our country though. There's no other way to look at it.

It is no more a threat than the Impeachment of Bill Clinton. Get over it.

Got it.... So from day 1 (hell before day 1) Clinton was threatened to be impeached? For zero reason? Got it.

This whole thing has been hysterical, but thank you for giving me a good morning chuckle to get the day started. FYI, Bill's impeachment was bullshit too. So guess what, I'm over it buddy as there was nothing to get over.

Yeah, except Clinton was found guilty and later fined and disbarred for a while.
They'll never convict Trump of anything - there is truly no crime here.

At the very least he unstructured justice.

He unstructured justice?

Английский не ваш родной язык?

rocketjoe79 says

They'll never convict Trump of anything - there is truly no crime here.

Agreed.

rocketjoe79 says

Yeah, except Clinton was found guilty and later fined and disbarred for a while.

Yeah, but it just didn't matter. Attorney's like to act special, but a disbarring is no different then a real estate broker losing their license for a couple years. Basically not a big deal. You can still make shitloads of money in law without a license. At the end of the day it's all marketing anyway to get customers, very rarely is it about actual skills in these service based businesses. You're correct in what you say, my point being is it just doesn't matter about Clinton, just like whatever they're throwing at Trump doesn't matter. It's not worth impeaching to the average American.

what about that fortune teller chick? She had my eye for awhile...

WookieMan says

There was a simple thing the Democrats could have done. Just one. Have JUST ONE fucking decent option for their nomination process. They've failed epically and this is their solution? And you defend it? Why?

Have JUST ONE fucking decent option for their nomination process

The Dem's did have one guy that was pushed out early in the 2016 nomination race - Jim Webb. Jim Webb was a Democrat Senator and a Navy Secretary under Reagan.. He is also very anti-war, and confronted Bush about the Iraq war. Jim Webb's son was an Army officer deployed to Iraq at the time.

HeadSet says

The Dem's did have one guy that was pushed out early in the 2016 nomination race - Jim Webb

Can't say I recall him, though the name sounds familiar. If the goal is to beat Trump, there's not one Democrat that stands a chance under current circumstances. Things can change of course, hence why we have this impeachment debacle. I don't know, the constant pity party of losing an election, day after day after day is just a joke at this point. Biggest bunch of sore losers maybe in the history of mankind.

Thanks Democrats for the bump in Presidential Approval!

Despite #Scampeachment hearings, Trump's Approval is pretty much the same as Obamas at the same point in his Presidency.

Thanks Dems and Demmedia!

marcus says

I don't know. I just feel bad for you people that you can't even be honest with yourself.

Forgot to ask this. How much of the hearings have you watched? Commentary free, with no media bias. Just the basic feed where the camera is just the room showing what is going on during the breaks, the testimony, etc.. Not with Chuck Todd or Sean Hannity, or some other gas bag. Just your eyes, ears and brain focused on what's happening in front of you.

If you didn't watch the first week all the way through, then you need to be honest with yourself and realize you've been fed bull shit. I don't let media guide me. Main stream or any of it. If you're working full time, I find it highly unlikely you watched it. And there's almost no chance you watched all of this week by now unless you don't sleep.

So tell me again who is being honest?

jazz_music says

Barr is also headed for impeachment, thank god.

That leaves Pompeo and Pence to be removed for their part in the shit.

Rule of law.

Let's make some examples of how and why we are not a fascist dictatorship.

Citation/Link?

jazz_music says

Let's make some examples of how and why we are not a fascist dictatorship.

Looking forward to Biden's indictment!

i thought Sondlands was kind of masterful in his testimony, with more than a bit of wry irony. He baited the Dems to make them believe they would get the goods, had them chafing at the bit with long stingers of saliva hanging from the corners of their mouths, and then exonerated Trump by showing that it was all nothing but another meaningless vapor trail.

Ceffer says

i thought Sondlands was kind of masterful in his testimony, with more than a bit of wry irony. He baited the Dems to make them believe they would get the goods, had them chafing at the bit with long stingers of saliva hanging from the corners of their mouths, and then exonerated Trump by showing that it was all nothing but another meaningless vapor trail.

Another excellent analysis!

I especially liked the part where Sondland said, "There was definitely a quid pro quo. Trump would withhold a meeting with the new Ukrainian president until he declared he was against corruption". The press went wild and the crime of the day was extortion because the president didn't have the right to not meet with a foreign leader.

This whole thing is just more political theatre. The show will go on.

Onvacation says

This whole thing is just more political theatre. The show will go on.

I agree it's theatre, but not sure how much longer the show goes on. I'm young, but never in my life have I been so convinced that one of our political parties is on the actual precipice of collapsing. Like, literally not existing after this election. There's going to be enormous infighting and I think people are just going to say fuck this carcass of a party. And I don't blame them. Hard to pull the lever at the ballot booth for a Democrat at any level right now, except maybe hyper local. Definitely not POTUS or Congress critter.

jazz_music says

Let's make some examples of how and why we are not a fascist dictatorship.

Well the first thing a fascist dictatorship would do is line up all the communists and shoot them.
Yet, here you are, posting.
I think that this one fact proves we are not fascist.