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marcus
2019 Aug 7, 11:34am
marcus
2019 Aug 7, 11:34am
HonkpilledMaster says
Actually I sort of agree, but I don't have a problem with marriage. But if your slippery slope argument makes sense, you should be saying that only by keeping homosexuality illegal could we prevent a majority eventually in favor of child drag gueens.
At Civil Partnership.
Actually I sort of agree, but I don't have a problem with marriage. But if your slippery slope argument makes sense, you should be saying that only by keeping homosexuality illegal could we prevent a majority eventually in favor of child drag gueens.
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RWSGFY
2019 Aug 7, 11:34am
RWSGFY
2019 Aug 7, 11:34am
marcus says
QED: all take and no give.
Iranian_Oil_Burse says@marcus: Are you ignoring my question? Shall I assume the answer is "no"?
I don't understand the question.
Why should federal CCW permits be a tradeoff for allowing common sense gun laws ?
But yes, probably no. Keep it at state and local imo.
QED: all take and no give.
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socal2
2019 Aug 7, 11:47am
marcus says
No - but it also shouldn't be illegal to be against gay marriage and the gay lifestyle.
Should being gay still be illegal ? I guess you have to say yes, because starting down the slippery slope apparently causes us to go all the way.
No - but it also shouldn't be illegal to be against gay marriage and the gay lifestyle.
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marcus
2019 Aug 7, 11:48am
marcus
2019 Aug 7, 11:48am
Iranian_Oil_Burse says
I don't know if you saw Patricks recent thread, but polls of gun owners show that a majoirty are in favor of sensible gun laws. It's the gun lobby and their bought politicians that stand in the way.
Do you get it ? We aren't talking a majority of Americans, we're talking a majority of gun owners that want sensible gun laws.
What percentage of people or gun owners for that matter are in favor of federally issued CCW permits ?
When someone is for something that a majority are in favor of calling it "all take" makes no sense.
QED: all take and no give.
I don't know if you saw Patricks recent thread, but polls of gun owners show that a majoirty are in favor of sensible gun laws. It's the gun lobby and their bought politicians that stand in the way.
Do you get it ? We aren't talking a majority of Americans, we're talking a majority of gun owners that want sensible gun laws.
What percentage of people or gun owners for that matter are in favor of federally issued CCW permits ?
When someone is for something that a majority are in favor of calling it "all take" makes no sense.
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marcus
2019 Aug 7, 11:58am
marcus
2019 Aug 7, 11:58am
socal2 says
It isn't. Unless by against you mean for example holding hate rallies against gays or otherwise trying to prevent gay peoples "pursuit of happiness." When does being an activist against gay lifestyle cross the line in to "hate speech" I don't know the answer to that. I guess I would rather see peer pressure preventing people from being assholes, in some cases, rather than laws. But some assholes just have to test the boundaries.
Consider these assholes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
Eventually there were local laws passed to prevent them from protesting at the funerals of gay servicemen killed in war serving the U..S.
No - but it also shouldn't be illegal to be against gay marriage and the gay lifestyle.
It isn't. Unless by against you mean for example holding hate rallies against gays or otherwise trying to prevent gay peoples "pursuit of happiness." When does being an activist against gay lifestyle cross the line in to "hate speech" I don't know the answer to that. I guess I would rather see peer pressure preventing people from being assholes, in some cases, rather than laws. But some assholes just have to test the boundaries.
Consider these assholes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
Eventually there were local laws passed to prevent them from protesting at the funerals of gay servicemen killed in war serving the U..S.
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RWSGFY
2019 Aug 7, 12:00pm
RWSGFY
2019 Aug 7, 12:00pm
marcus says
... which includes Federal shall-issue CCW permit.
marcus says
It does: your side wants only restrictions on the Federal level but absolutely against anything which would protect gun rights in the lefty-ran states. You trust in Feds doing good job when it comes to restricting the rights of people to buy guns in the red states but you filp around and don't trust the Feds when it comes to allowing good citizens to carry guns in the blue states where it made all but impossible by the state legislators.
My test is perfect in exposing this hypocricy of the left and their style of "negotiating for sensible gun laws": all take, no give.
I don't know if you saw Patricks recent thread, but polls of gun owners show that a majoirty are in favor of sensible gun laws.
... which includes Federal shall-issue CCW permit.
marcus says
When someone is for something that a majority are in favor of calling it "all take" makes no sense.
It does: your side wants only restrictions on the Federal level but absolutely against anything which would protect gun rights in the lefty-ran states. You trust in Feds doing good job when it comes to restricting the rights of people to buy guns in the red states but you filp around and don't trust the Feds when it comes to allowing good citizens to carry guns in the blue states where it made all but impossible by the state legislators.
My test is perfect in exposing this hypocricy of the left and their style of "negotiating for sensible gun laws": all take, no give.
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socal2
2019 Aug 7, 12:01pm
marcus says
How about the cake bakers and photographers in Colorado and Oregon that were sued and drum out of business for not offering their services for gay weddings? They still have cases going before the Supreme Court.
How about the lady being sued for not waxing a tranny's balls in Canada?
It isn't. Unless by against you mean for example holding hate rallies against gays or otherwise trying to prevent gay peoples "pursuit of happiness."
How about the cake bakers and photographers in Colorado and Oregon that were sued and drum out of business for not offering their services for gay weddings? They still have cases going before the Supreme Court.
How about the lady being sued for not waxing a tranny's balls in Canada?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Aug 7, 12:17pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Aug 7, 12:17pm
I'll accept Red Flag Federal Gun Laws in return for both Bourse's Federal CCW (that States are powerless to stop) AND
A filing by the Democratic Party stating they won't introduce Gun Laws in Congress for the next 25 years OF ANY KIND, and issues a $5 Billion Dollar + 5% Annual Interest Bond against non-compliance guaranteed by the DNC, DLC, and each and every State Democratic Organization individually and collectively.
The money to be paid directly to the Republican Party and NRA if any Democrat introduces a Gun Control Bill in either house.
A filing by the Democratic Party stating they won't introduce Gun Laws in Congress for the next 25 years OF ANY KIND, and issues a $5 Billion Dollar + 5% Annual Interest Bond against non-compliance guaranteed by the DNC, DLC, and each and every State Democratic Organization individually and collectively.
The money to be paid directly to the Republican Party and NRA if any Democrat introduces a Gun Control Bill in either house.
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exfatguy
2019 Aug 7, 12:51pm
One way to start would be to raise the minimum age to buy a semi-automatic rifle to age 24. Handguns, shotguns, and rifles can still be bought at age 18.
Sure, this doesn't stop someone from stealing or borrowing a gun, but at least it gives a few year buffer to determine if someone is violently mentally ill or not. If they're prone to snap, they'd find some other way to act out before age 24, hopefully with less easy of a time.
Sure, this doesn't stop someone from stealing or borrowing a gun, but at least it gives a few year buffer to determine if someone is violently mentally ill or not. If they're prone to snap, they'd find some other way to act out before age 24, hopefully with less easy of a time.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Aug 7, 12:59pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Aug 7, 12:59pm
exfatguy says
I like this one. Make it 25. Also voting age as well.
In fact, you have to be employed 20+ hrs a week for the past 4 years to vote, or be collecting Social Security Retirement, a Pension, etc.
Skin in the Game.
One way to start would be to raise the minimum age to buy a semi-automatic rifle to age 24. Handguns, shotguns, and rifles can still be bought at age 18.
I like this one. Make it 25. Also voting age as well.
In fact, you have to be employed 20+ hrs a week for the past 4 years to vote, or be collecting Social Security Retirement, a Pension, etc.
Skin in the Game.
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marcus
2019 Aug 7, 1:10pm
marcus
2019 Aug 7, 1:10pm
Iranian_Oil_Burse says
Fail
If a majority of gun owners (not just a majority of Americans) are for sensible gun laws, then there is no "take" here by the left, and no "give" by gun owners, when you give them what they actually want.
OF course when you give both sides what they want, there is no give and take. It's just take take.
I see what you tried to do there. And I get it. The problem is you don't account for the fact that even a majority of gun owners want sensible gun safety laws - they always did.
My test is perfect in exposing this hypocricy of the left and their style of "negotiating for sensible gun laws": all take, no give.
Fail
If a majority of gun owners (not just a majority of Americans) are for sensible gun laws, then there is no "take" here by the left, and no "give" by gun owners, when you give them what they actually want.
OF course when you give both sides what they want, there is no give and take. It's just take take.
I see what you tried to do there. And I get it. The problem is you don't account for the fact that even a majority of gun owners want sensible gun safety laws - they always did.
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GNL
2019 Aug 7, 2:07pm
GNL
2019 Aug 7, 2:07pm
HEYYOU says
Well, well, well it's HeyYou with profound knowledge again. This is exactly why the right will not want to deal with you. Why are liberals so fucking stupid? Liberals fuck themselves in the ass far too often.
a href="/post/1326334&offset=#comment-1608368">Iranian_Oil_Burse saysThe simple test the proponents of so-called "reasonable gun control" fail all the time: ask them what are they willing to offer in exchange for, say, their coveted "universal background check" or "high-capacity magazine ban" and the answer will be - "nothing". They basically practice Russian style of negotiations: all take and no give.
"exchange" - Fewer Rep/Cons' children shot in mass shootings in schools from large capacity,high speed ,hot lead throwing "arms" . Not fair? OK! Add fewer Rep/Cons being shot at concerts,shopping,theaters or just anywhere in public. OR! Rep/Cons can take their chances with shooters they don't know or see thinking that Rep/Con gun love can protect them.
My thoughts & prayers are with stupid fucking Republicans as they venture out into 400,000,000? gun America.
Well, well, well it's HeyYou with profound knowledge again. This is exactly why the right will not want to deal with you. Why are liberals so fucking stupid? Liberals fuck themselves in the ass far too often.
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GNL
2019 Aug 7, 2:09pm
GNL
2019 Aug 7, 2:09pm
exfatguy says
Age has nothing to do with it. Fucking people like you should think before spewing bullshit.
One way to start would be to raise the minimum age to buy a semi-automatic rifle to age 24. Handguns, shotguns, and rifles can still be bought at age 18.
Sure, this doesn't stop someone from stealing or borrowing a gun, but at least it gives a few year buffer to determine if someone is violently mentally ill or not. If they're prone to snap, they'd find some other way to act out before age 24, hopefully with less easy of a time.
Age has nothing to do with it. Fucking people like you should think before spewing bullshit.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Aug 7, 2:39pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Aug 7, 2:39pm
If the majority of people were for sensible LGBTQCIA123ABC rights...
We ended up with Wax my Lady Balls, Bigot! and Funeral Parlors that have to allow Male Ushers to wear dresses and lipstick.
We ended up with Wax my Lady Balls, Bigot! and Funeral Parlors that have to allow Male Ushers to wear dresses and lipstick.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Aug 7, 2:41pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Aug 7, 2:41pm
If the majority of people were for sensible LGBTQCIA123ABC rights...
We ended up with Wax my Lady Balls, Bigot! and Funeral Parlors that have to allow Male Ushers to wear dresses and lipstick.
How about sensible Immigration Reform (total amnesty, minimal enforcement) or sensible cultural accomodation (pray to Mecca, kids -- and America was established by EVIL! WHITE! DEAD! MALES!)
We ended up with Wax my Lady Balls, Bigot! and Funeral Parlors that have to allow Male Ushers to wear dresses and lipstick.
How about sensible Immigration Reform (total amnesty, minimal enforcement) or sensible cultural accomodation (pray to Mecca, kids -- and America was established by EVIL! WHITE! DEAD! MALES!)
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Patrick
2019 Aug 7, 6:50pm
Patrick
2019 Aug 7, 6:50pm
OccasionalCortex says
@OccasionalCortex if you go to https://patrick.net/edit_profile and look at the bottom under "ignored users" do you see marcus listed?
Patrick, the 'ignore' feature is not working again as I am now starting to see his posts even tho I have marcus set on 'ignore'.
@OccasionalCortex if you go to https://patrick.net/edit_profile and look at the bottom under "ignored users" do you see marcus listed?
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GNL
2019 Aug 7, 8:23pm
GNL
2019 Aug 7, 8:23pm
marcus says
You're being obtuse.
HonkpilledMaster saysAt Civil Partnership.
Actually I sort of agree, but I don't have a problem with marriage. But if your slippery slope argument makes sense, you should be saying that only by keeping homosexuality illegal could we prevent a majority eventually in favor of child drag gueens.
You're being obtuse.
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GNL
2019 Aug 7, 8:30pm
GNL
2019 Aug 7, 8:30pm
HonkpilledMaster says
I think this is giving up too much. Unless, that is, the red flag law is tight. Meaning in no way ambiguous. A neighbor can't simply get mad and call the cops to raid your home. A Dr. or at least 3 different people of sound mind and over, at least, 18 years of age.
I'll accept Red Flag Federal Gun Laws in return for both Bourse's Federal CCW (that States are powerless to stop) AND
A filing by the Democratic Party stating they won't introduce Gun Laws in Congress for the next 25 years OF ANY KIND, and issues a $5 Billion Dollar + 5% Annual Interest Bond against non-compliance guaranteed by the DNC, DLC, and each and every State Democratic Organization individually and collectively.
The money to be paid directly to the Republican Party and NRA if any Democrat introduces a Gun Control Bill in either house.
I think this is giving up too much. Unless, that is, the red flag law is tight. Meaning in no way ambiguous. A neighbor can't simply get mad and call the cops to raid your home. A Dr. or at least 3 different people of sound mind and over, at least, 18 years of age.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Aug 8, 7:16pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Aug 8, 7:16pm
WineHorror1 says
My fear is that libbies will simply tell "Family" Lawyers and Judges to issue them "liberally" in divorce cases, even in no-faults.
BTW, you shouldn't be able to file no faults with a restraining order, you should be legally required to file a with-fault divorce. Get rid of that trick.
I think this is giving up too much. Unless, that is, the red flag law is tight. Meaning in no way ambiguous. A neighbor can't simply get mad and call the cops to raid your home. A Dr. or at least 3 different people of sound mind and over, at least, 18 years of age.
My fear is that libbies will simply tell "Family" Lawyers and Judges to issue them "liberally" in divorce cases, even in no-faults.
BTW, you shouldn't be able to file no faults with a restraining order, you should be legally required to file a with-fault divorce. Get rid of that trick.
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richwicks
2019 Aug 8, 7:28pm
richwicks
2019 Aug 8, 7:28pm
I never can read past something like:
"Fact: The left wants a total ban on guns."
Look, the left may be wrong on gun control, but telling "the left" what THEY (supposedly) want, it's just utter stupidity. It only serves to produce an argument and gets everybody to dig in their heels and stop thinking.
What you need to do with somebody that is in favor of more gun control is simply point out to the person that what they are doing is advocating that the only people that should be armed are people who lied the nation into the Iraq War, blew up Libya, and repeatedly, and falsely, claimed Assad was gassing his own people.
Now, if you want those megalomaniac nuts to be the only group that is armed, you should do some more thinking. We have an entirely criminal government and have had that for more than 2 decades.
And incidentally, if you're on "the right", and object to me pointing out that the Bush adminstration lied us into a war, you ought to consider the possibility that leadership of "the left" and "the right" are entirely corrupt, because they are.
"Fact: The left wants a total ban on guns."
Look, the left may be wrong on gun control, but telling "the left" what THEY (supposedly) want, it's just utter stupidity. It only serves to produce an argument and gets everybody to dig in their heels and stop thinking.
What you need to do with somebody that is in favor of more gun control is simply point out to the person that what they are doing is advocating that the only people that should be armed are people who lied the nation into the Iraq War, blew up Libya, and repeatedly, and falsely, claimed Assad was gassing his own people.
Now, if you want those megalomaniac nuts to be the only group that is armed, you should do some more thinking. We have an entirely criminal government and have had that for more than 2 decades.
And incidentally, if you're on "the right", and object to me pointing out that the Bush adminstration lied us into a war, you ought to consider the possibility that leadership of "the left" and "the right" are entirely corrupt, because they are.
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steverbeaver
2019 Aug 9, 12:09am
steverbeaver
2019 Aug 9, 12:09am
Well, have you been to a Walmart during normal working hours, esp on EBT day? My experience has been squatemalens buying junk food with gibs… results may differ vs your gated enclave.
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HeadSet
2019 Aug 9, 6:32am
HeadSet
2019 Aug 9, 6:32am
marcus says
Let's have a ban on fully automatic weapons that can shoot 600 rounds per minute. Oh, wait, we already do.
Let's have a ban on fully automatic weapons that can shoot 600 rounds per minute. Oh, wait, we already do.
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BayArea
2019 Aug 9, 6:50am
BayArea
2019 Aug 9, 6:50am
Fully automatic firearms are illegal
Murdering people is illegal
Some people don’t follow laws, and never will. Should there be more laws that take away the freedom of law abiding citizens?
Left can’t meme
Murdering people is illegal
Some people don’t follow laws, and never will. Should there be more laws that take away the freedom of law abiding citizens?
Left can’t meme
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RC2006
2019 Aug 9, 7:29am
RC2006
2019 Aug 9, 7:29am
HeadSet says
Left can't meme.
marcus says
Let's have a ban on fully automatic weapons that can shoot 600 rounds per minute. Oh, wait, we already do.
Left can't meme.
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HeadSet
2019 Aug 16, 6:31am
HeadSet
2019 Aug 16, 6:31am
You post great memes but I'm not sure what this one means.
Man proposes, lady behind sees it, man with other lady nervous that his lady wants the same thing. China does not want Hong Kong envying the right to bear arms.
Man proposes, lady behind sees it, man with other lady nervous that his lady wants the same thing. China does not want Hong Kong envying the right to bear arms.
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GNL
2019 Aug 16, 7:07am
GNL
2019 Aug 16, 7:07am
HeadSet says
Thank you. I haven't been following the Hong Kong events.
You post great memes but I'm not sure what this one means.
Man proposes, lady behind sees it, man with other lady nervous that his lady wants the same thing. China does not want Hong Kong envying the right to bear arms.
Thank you. I haven't been following the Hong Kong events.
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Patrick
2019 Aug 18, 5:50pm
Patrick
2019 Aug 18, 5:50pm
Patrick says
@OccasionalCortex this is the problem:
There are two ways that comments can appear on a page on patrick.net:
1. comments are loaded when the whole page is loaded
2. comments are loaded without a page reload (it just pops up) when one user submits a new comment and another user is on that same url
The "instant comment" loading (the second way) does not check the ignores table. If you see a comment by marcus which disappears when you reload the page, then the comment definitely appeared the second way.
It would be kind of hard to fix, but I'll try to think of ways that won't hurt performance much.
OK, that seems to be a real bug. I'll try to figure it out.
@OccasionalCortex this is the problem:
There are two ways that comments can appear on a page on patrick.net:
1. comments are loaded when the whole page is loaded
2. comments are loaded without a page reload (it just pops up) when one user submits a new comment and another user is on that same url
The "instant comment" loading (the second way) does not check the ignores table. If you see a comment by marcus which disappears when you reload the page, then the comment definitely appeared the second way.
It would be kind of hard to fix, but I'll try to think of ways that won't hurt performance much.
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Fact: The left wants a total ban on guns. Step#1 of achieving that is getting the right to agree to reasonable gun measures. These are measure that take one small step towards a total ban on guns. With each public incident or mass shooting, the left will call for more gun control measures. This will continue in a never ending campaign.
The right will not go along with reasonable gun control measures because they know that the campaign from the left will never cease. And so the right understands that there should be no negotiation on the topic with the left.
This was explained to me recently by a friend, who owns guns, and donates to the NRA.
Take the CA gun roster, which covers which guns can be legally bought/sold in CA. Without any logic, this roster includes certain guns while excluding other guns that function in exactly the same manner. The size of this roster has changed over the years, it’s only gotten smaller.
And so the statement that both sides should be able to agree on reasonable gun reform is a lie because the left will never stop their campaign for a total gun ban. With each incident in the media, the left will continue their campaign to increase restrictions until there is only one law remaining: total ban for civilians.
Neither side will ever trust the other to be reasonable on the topic.
It’s alarming to me how many of my leftist friends and colleagues believe that only police and government should own guns. Frankly, it terrifies me that they do not see any fault with this logic as an American.
“The police will be there to protect me”
“This is the United States of America, not Cambodia. The government will never harm us”