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Oh and "community police" is just another name for cartel owned police force..lol

komputodo says

Oh and "community police" is just another name for cartel owned police force..lol

Not true. Auto defensas started as a backlash to government and cartel corruption. They can certainly be co-opted like any other movement, but they are the best hope for Mexico since the War on Us began.

Tenpoundbass says

A white older male going to a Liberal Shithole City in America will share the same fate.

How many BART stations could you come out of unhurt wearing a MAGA hat?

komputo has no clue what Mexicans "want"; my friends who have been to the USA love the feeling of security and relative safety from aggressive assholes.

Those who have lived in the USA mention feeling safe in the USA and unsafe in Mexico.

I guess one can easily distinguish the rag tag people putting up a roadblock are "community police" from the "community gangsters".

Most people I know here would not rob an injured Mexican; a lot of Mexicans would relish the opportunity to rob you.

I have an older Mexican friend who got amnesty and lives in LA; he was talking with his extended family one Christmas:

"The difference between the USA and Mexico is; in the USA 80% are good people, 20% are not. In Mexico it is the opposite."

My ancestors didn't go around kidnapping people from surrounding villages to murder them on top of pyramids and later eat them.

clambo says

My ancestors didn't go around kidnapping people from surrounding villages to murder them on top of pyramids and later eat them.

My ancestors raped and pillaged. Luckily their descendants settled down and became civilized.

clambo says

My ancestors didn't go around kidnapping people from surrounding villages to murder them on top of pyramids and later eat them.

The only Mexicans who could claim straight Aztec heritage would be the Indios who live in small villages far from civilization. Mexicans are a cross of Aztec and Spanish blood. You think Indios are committing these crimes?

My ancestors, and yours practiced genocide on the Indian natives, get the fuck off your high horse.

NuttBoxer says

My ancestors, and yours practiced genocide on the Indian natives, get the fuck off your high horse.

And on each others ancestors while in Europe. Life in Middle Ages and before was short and violent...

There are no innocents. You’d be nuts to drive around Mexico without a gun and the knowledge and will to use it.
I don’t go there anymore.

Quigley says

There are no innocents. You’d be nuts to drive around Mexico without a gun and the knowledge and will to use it.
I don’t go there anymore.

We have family in Tijuana, and still go down a few times a year. Haven't noticed things being better or worse than usual.

My limited experience in tourist areas in Mexico has been good. Mainly stayed at resorts admittedly, but did a few off site excursions. Never felt unsafe. People were kind but maybe that was my limited Spanish working to at least assimilate even as a tourist.

Outside of Islamic nations traveling with your wife or daughters, I think common sense rules the day in most foreign countries. Common sense also includes not traveling to the worst countries. I don't think Mexico comes close to making the top 30-40 of countries you shouldn't go to. Use your head and you'll be fine. Traveling at 3am even in the states is probably not a bright idea. You'd probably get killed in the US by a drunk driver before encountering a murderous road block in Mexico all things being equal.

When we traveled from SD to Ensenada by car we encountered every possible checkpoint: Marines, Federales, State Police, Municipal Police... Never "community police" though. Out of all these we met, only the Marines gave an impression of having some training under their belts. The rest did not demonstrate any muzzle/trigger discipline whatsoever.

Hugolas_Madurez says

When we traveled from SD to Ensenada by car we encountered every possible checkpoint: Marines, Federales, State Police, Municipal Police... Never "community police" though. Out of all these we met, only the Marines gave an impression of having some training under their belts. The rest did not demonstrate any muzzle/trigger discipline whatsoever.

When was this? I don't remember federale checkpoints since the El Teo days when we stopped going out at night. The military checkpoint, going back to Tijuana has always been there. Guessing you may have taken the 1 or Libre instead of the toll road? If you drive straight down on the toll road, the only thing you get stopped for are tolls.

NuttBoxer says

Hugolas_Madurez says

When we traveled from SD to Ensenada by car we encountered every possible checkpoint: Marines, Federales, State Police, Municipal Police... Never "community police" though. Out of all these we met, only the Marines gave an impression of having some training under their belts. The rest did not demonstrate any muzzle/trigger discipline whatsoever.

When was this? I don't remember federale checkpoints since the El Teo days when we stopped going out at night. The military checkpoint, going back to Tijuana has always been there. Guessing you may have taken the 1 or Libre instead of the toll road? If you drive straight down on the toll road, the only thing you get stopped for are tolls.

It was the year when iPhone 4s came out. We drove on the road which goes along the coast. Is it the 1?

Right on the ocean, that's the toll road. Not sure if they were still building it back then, but you won't find any of that now. Went to Ensenada twice in the past year, no checkpoints.

clambo says

Every time I am in Mexico visiting I see the scary behavior that is actually typical down there.

I think you should stay up north where it's "safe" and leave Mexico to the mexicans and the ex-pats that don't have that fear. I can say that I've never met a gringo down here that wasn't always complaining about something anyways. Always trying to make their mexico experience into a simulation of their life in the usa instead of changing their lives and becoming more like mexicans.
BTW, do you really feel "protected" by the police in the usa?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/28/us/utah-man-wife-killed-mexico/index.html

Patrick says

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/28/us/utah-man-wife-killed-mexico/index.html

Hmm? Over-the-border polygamy? Cross that off of the 'Utah Good Idea' list.

Not surprising that the initial report was completely different.

Over 90% of murders in Mexico go unsolved, most on purpose.

Patrick says

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/28/us/utah-man-wife-killed-mexico/index.html

My rules for old white men surviving mexico in 2019....If you are a white dude that has money, try not to look like you have money...don't drive a nice new vehicle...ride a bus... dont wear jewelry or expensive clothes. Keep your mouth shut and don't draw more attention to yourself than need be. Don't travel after dark. If this fool was in a bus or an old mexican taxi, my bet is that none of this would have happened.

Buses now are also subject to criminal gang roadblocks.

I guess Mexicans who are kidnapped and killed in such roadblocks are also "fools"?

Blaming the victim is also popular in Mexico, whether it's rape or robbery.

So it needs to be a Mexican taxi or a Mexican bus, right? I’ve used both when in Mexico, exclusively because I never wanted to bring a vehicle of my own there. Just seemed like too many ways that could go wrong. So it’s a taxi to Rosarito even though that is kind of spendy and the taxi is a 30 year old station wagon. And it’s a bus to downtown Cabo from the hotel. Just a few pesos and then ride with all the common people. It works, and it’s safe.

clambo says

Buses now are also subject to criminal gang roadblocks.

Read the article Patrick listed. There is no mention of a roadblock.

clambo says

I guess Mexicans who are kidnapped and killed in such roadblocks are also "fools"?

There are lots of mexican fools in their 2019 custom trucks and gold chains who get jacked and killed....Being a fool has no racial boundries. That being said, I'm not sure what your point is. Things are not going to change drastically down here. It seems that you just want to argue. If you want to come down here, be aware that you are on your own. That's all I'm saying. Nobody here is going to protect you. The police can't be trusted.

NuttBoxer says

clambo says

Buses now are also subject to criminal gang roadblocks.

Read the article Patrick listed. There is no mention of a roadblock.

Yup. Sounds like they were targeted. With the "2nd wife" living down there full time it was likely that people knew she hooked up with a gringo if he was splitting time down there. I'd find it hard to believe that the killers didn't know who they were. And the 3am thing is still fishy.

Although maybe the definition of roadblock has changed from when I learned it in elementary school.

WookieMan says

Yup. Sounds like they were targeted.

It's definitely odd. If it was a random robbery, why transport them anywhere?