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Fact Check: Kamala Harris Says Trump Economy ‘Not Working for Working People’
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2019 Jun 28, 3:25pm 2,083 views 29 comments
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rdm
2019 Jun 29, 7:17am
Think that painting the Dem candidate as a tool of Wall Street is going to work for The tool of Wall Street?
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clambo
2019 Jun 29, 8:04am
Kamala and her ilk are ignorant.
If she cared about "working people" in the USA, why does she support open borders and the influx of more illegal workers? More illegal workers here hurts American workers.
Supply and demand applies to labor; more labor supply drives down wages.
If she cared about "working people" in the USA, why does she support open borders and the influx of more illegal workers? More illegal workers here hurts American workers.
Supply and demand applies to labor; more labor supply drives down wages.
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Ceffer
2019 Jun 29, 11:02am
Ceffer
2019 Jun 29, 11:02am
clambo says
Kamala: "You put that free shit vibe out, and our stoopidz base can't even tell we are claiming to help them on one hand while stabbing them in the back on the other!"
If she cared about "working people" in the USA, why does she support open borders and the influx of more illegal workers?
Kamala: "You put that free shit vibe out, and our stoopidz base can't even tell we are claiming to help them on one hand while stabbing them in the back on the other!"
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HeadSet
2019 Jun 29, 1:49pm
HeadSet
2019 Jun 29, 1:49pm
rdm says
If Trump was a tool of Wall Street he would be for open borders and no tariffs on China. Try again.
Think that painting the Dem candidate as a tool of Wall Street is going to work for The tool of Wall Street?
If Trump was a tool of Wall Street he would be for open borders and no tariffs on China. Try again.
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Bd6r
2019 Jun 29, 2:35pm
Bd6r
2019 Jun 29, 2:35pm
She is right that economy is not working for working people. She is wrong, however, by implying that it is "trump" economy that is not working. The economy was not working for "working people" under Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now tRUMP..perhaps something other than Trump is the problem...
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2019 Jun 29, 5:55pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2019 Jun 29, 5:55pm
d6rB says
Disagree tremendously. If you aren’t hustling and making hay right now, you never will. Want a job? There’s one immediately available anywhere. If you choose to stay in an expensive shithole in California, or a poor shithole in Mississippi, that’s solely on you.
She is right that economy is not working for working people. She is wrong, however, by implying that it is "trump" economy that is not working. The economy was not working for "working people" under Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now tRUMP..perhaps something other than Trump is the problem...
Disagree tremendously. If you aren’t hustling and making hay right now, you never will. Want a job? There’s one immediately available anywhere. If you choose to stay in an expensive shithole in California, or a poor shithole in Mississippi, that’s solely on you.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Jun 30, 12:35am
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Jun 30, 12:35am
rdm says
Yeah, Obama was so deep in Wall Street's pocket he had Podesta clearing his nominees with Michael Froman, a Citigroup Executive who introduced Obama to Mr. Big Bank Reform (sic) Robert Rubin
https://steemit.com/politics/@fortified/citibank-or-how-one-bank-picked-the-obama-administration
Later, Froman became an Obama National Economic Council AND National Security Adviser, helped negotiate the secretive Trans Pacific Partnership in a total blackbox as USTR, and in 2017 was appointed to the Council on Foreign Relations, which is in no way a neoliberal global corporate crony institution.
He currently is a Veep at Mastercard and a Disney Board Member.
Not to mention Eric Holder, whose prosecutions of Financial Institutions hit 20-year LOWS in the aftermath of the financial crisis. Keep in Mind the "W" Admin prosecuted more people at big businesses - like HSBC and Enron - than Mr. Democrat Man of the PEEEEPLE Eric Holder under Obama.
Think that painting the Dem candidate as a tool of Wall Street is going to work for The tool of Wall Street?
Yeah, Obama was so deep in Wall Street's pocket he had Podesta clearing his nominees with Michael Froman, a Citigroup Executive who introduced Obama to Mr. Big Bank Reform (sic) Robert Rubin
https://steemit.com/politics/@fortified/citibank-or-how-one-bank-picked-the-obama-administration
Later, Froman became an Obama National Economic Council AND National Security Adviser, helped negotiate the secretive Trans Pacific Partnership in a total blackbox as USTR, and in 2017 was appointed to the Council on Foreign Relations, which is in no way a neoliberal global corporate crony institution.
He currently is a Veep at Mastercard and a Disney Board Member.
Not to mention Eric Holder, whose prosecutions of Financial Institutions hit 20-year LOWS in the aftermath of the financial crisis. Keep in Mind the "W" Admin prosecuted more people at big businesses - like HSBC and Enron - than Mr. Democrat Man of the PEEEEPLE Eric Holder under Obama.
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Misc
2019 Jun 30, 7:03am
Since 47% of Americans pay no federal income tax, but do pay sales and property taxes as well as local fees and fines, most people in the country did get a tax increase as the state and local governments increased these taxes and fees. Slanted polls saying the people don't know what is really going on is just "fake news".
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Bd6r
2019 Jun 30, 11:05am
Bd6r
2019 Jun 30, 11:05am
CovfefeButDeadly says
I disagree tremendously with you. Not saying that FREE! handouts are a solution, but: 1. not everyone has IQ of 120. 2. not everyone can code and/or run their own business due to #1. 3. there is a large, part of population that can perform simple tasks diligently, but are not intelligent enough for anything else. These people are fucked - 30-40 yrs ago they could work at a factory, get decent salary, and lead a good life - have house, family, and so on. What now? Work at McDonalds at $8/hr and no benefits? Should we declare that most of small-town PA and OH are fuckwits because they can't find jobs and are popping painkillers because life is not worth living? What should they do - "learn to code"?
I think the biggest problem since 1990's is cheap money, so that zombie large corporations could stay afloat and everything got centralized. If zombie corps would have died off, perhaps there would be enough small businesses in those small towns who could employ people who now have no options.
Disagree tremendously. If you aren’t hustling and making hay right now, you never will. Want a job? There’s one immediately available anywhere. If you choose to stay in an expensive shithole in California, or a poor shithole in Mississippi, that’s solely on you.
I disagree tremendously with you. Not saying that FREE! handouts are a solution, but: 1. not everyone has IQ of 120. 2. not everyone can code and/or run their own business due to #1. 3. there is a large, part of population that can perform simple tasks diligently, but are not intelligent enough for anything else. These people are fucked - 30-40 yrs ago they could work at a factory, get decent salary, and lead a good life - have house, family, and so on. What now? Work at McDonalds at $8/hr and no benefits? Should we declare that most of small-town PA and OH are fuckwits because they can't find jobs and are popping painkillers because life is not worth living? What should they do - "learn to code"?
I think the biggest problem since 1990's is cheap money, so that zombie large corporations could stay afloat and everything got centralized. If zombie corps would have died off, perhaps there would be enough small businesses in those small towns who could employ people who now have no options.
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Ceffer
2019 Jun 30, 11:14am
Ceffer
2019 Jun 30, 11:14am
Unchecked compassionate immigration will resolve all these problems and difficulties.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2019 Jun 30, 11:15am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2019 Jun 30, 11:15am
You are dead wrong and so is anyone with that attitude. Evidence is my step daughter who at 16 took an $8 an hour job at Subway, outperformed 30 year olds, and was asked to be a shift manager 6 months into the job. She of course declined but wound up doing most of the functional anyway because all the adults were horribly irresponsible. At 18 she applied to subway and started at $13 an hour along with a 401k and heath benefits. At 20 promoted to shift supervisor and $17+ an hour. Now if she would actually take advantage of their online degree program(she’s started and stoped twice), she would really be getting somewhere.
My initial point remains. The people you are talking about would have been fired from the factory job. If you aren’t doing well in this economy, it’s entirely your own fault.
My initial point remains. The people you are talking about would have been fired from the factory job. If you aren’t doing well in this economy, it’s entirely your own fault.
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Bd6r
2019 Jun 30, 11:55am
Bd6r
2019 Jun 30, 11:55am
CovfefeButDeadly says
So 30% of rural/small town PA, OH are useless people?
Your daughter probably has an IQ that is much higher than median. What should people who have IQ lower than median do? Self-immolate? Work for $/8 hr for rest of their life?
And yes, these people were fired from factory jobs. Problem is that there are no more sufficient numbers of such jobs available.
Edit: these type of jobs do exist in TX - but if 1/3 of PA and OH move here, they will become scarce and poorly paid. Also, we do not need any damned Yankees down here...
My initial point remains. The people you are talking about would have been fired from the factory job. If you aren’t doing well in this economy, it’s entirely your own fault.
So 30% of rural/small town PA, OH are useless people?
Your daughter probably has an IQ that is much higher than median. What should people who have IQ lower than median do? Self-immolate? Work for $/8 hr for rest of their life?
And yes, these people were fired from factory jobs. Problem is that there are no more sufficient numbers of such jobs available.
Edit: these type of jobs do exist in TX - but if 1/3 of PA and OH move here, they will become scarce and poorly paid. Also, we do not need any damned Yankees down here...
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2019 Jun 30, 4:45pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2019 Jun 30, 4:45pm
IQ has nothing to do with it. Taking the crap shifts and doing the work her boss needs done that no one wants to do, and caring about the product she is serving to customers is what did it.
You know, it’s funny...she’s a die hard socialist Democrat despite seeing exactly what individual hard work does for a person. Maybe she’ll open her eyes at some point.
You know, it’s funny...she’s a die hard socialist Democrat despite seeing exactly what individual hard work does for a person. Maybe she’ll open her eyes at some point.
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Misc
2019 Jun 30, 5:29pm
Let's see...there is working hard and saving up money vs already being rich and owning assets such as stocks. With the Trump tax cuts for the working people, it amounted to a very little amount. This was mostly mitigated by an increase in state and local taxes. Meanwhile for stock holders, the tax reduction increased the earning of the corporations. This led to a nice increase in share price without any meaningful increase in sales. This increase in share value exceeded $1 trillion, for the already richest members of society and this was money that they did not have to work for. It was a present from the government to the already rich. I am surprised that out currency has any value left at all.
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HeadSet
2019 Jun 30, 6:21pm
HeadSet
2019 Jun 30, 6:21pm
This was mostly mitigated by an increase in state and local taxes.
Why would lower federal taxes cause local taxes to increase? They are not related. Did states do a money grab on the tax savings of the working people?
Why would lower federal taxes cause local taxes to increase? They are not related. Did states do a money grab on the tax savings of the working people?
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Shaman
2019 Jun 30, 6:36pm
Shaman
2019 Jun 30, 6:36pm
CovfefeButDeadly says
It’s a gender thing. Women are evolved to spread the wealth and make sure everyone has enough. Men are evolved to conquer and make stuff and provide for their families. They could give a shit about lazy fucks who don’t want to work for their own living. Socialism is attractive to women, and also to lazy men.
You know, it’s funny...she’s a die hard socialist Democrat despite seeing exactly what individual hard work does for a person. Maybe she’ll open her eyes at some point.
It’s a gender thing. Women are evolved to spread the wealth and make sure everyone has enough. Men are evolved to conquer and make stuff and provide for their families. They could give a shit about lazy fucks who don’t want to work for their own living. Socialism is attractive to women, and also to lazy men.
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HeadSet
2019 Jun 30, 6:44pm
HeadSet
2019 Jun 30, 6:44pm
CovfefeButDeadly says
It is also a sale. She may know that hard work works for almost all, but wants power based on selling the masses on the idea that only government can provide. You notice she (or any other Socialist) will not lead by example by capping their own earnings.
If I were a reporter, I would ask the Democratic Socialist whey they do not just accept a wage equal to the median in their constituent area, and give the rest back. Any money made from book sales and speeches get donated back as well.
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You know, it’s funny...she’s a die hard socialist Democrat despite seeing exactly what individual hard work does for a person. Maybe she’ll open her eyes at some point.
It is also a sale. She may know that hard work works for almost all, but wants power based on selling the masses on the idea that only government can provide. You notice she (or any other Socialist) will not lead by example by capping their own earnings.
If I were a reporter, I would ask the Democratic Socialist whey they do not just accept a wage equal to the median in their constituent area, and give the rest back. Any money made from book sales and speeches get donated back as well.
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Misc
2019 Jun 30, 9:01pm
HeadSet says
State and local governments seem to always be raising taxes and fees. They all have balanced budget amendments (supposedly, but nobody ever calls the politicians for breaking the state constitutions for going into the red; such as Illinois). So no money grab beyond that which is normally done.
Regardless, the Trump party is the party of free shit...just free shit for the rich. Still the Trump economy is better than the Obama economy.
This was mostly mitigated by an increase in state and local taxes.
Why would lower federal taxes cause local taxes to increase? They are not related. Did states do a money grab on the tax savings of the working people?
State and local governments seem to always be raising taxes and fees. They all have balanced budget amendments (supposedly, but nobody ever calls the politicians for breaking the state constitutions for going into the red; such as Illinois). So no money grab beyond that which is normally done.
Regardless, the Trump party is the party of free shit...just free shit for the rich. Still the Trump economy is better than the Obama economy.
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just_passing_through
2019 Jun 30, 9:45pm
just_passing_through
2019 Jun 30, 9:45pm
d6rB says
Yeah, I was going to mention that. Even back in the early 90s one of my best friends (dyslexic and not much into that learnin stuff) got a well paid job as a rough neck. These days he's an electrician and is apparently famous for being the guy who, "Energized the Samsung Plant", in Austin because most people were too scared to do that shit.
One of his jobs now is for the Toyota Truck facility in San Antonio I think. I suspect he has or could have more cash than I do at this point saved up.
The new shale phenom isn't just in Tejas either. Plenty of stupid people moved where the work is historically as well. Myself included. When I moved back to the bay area and fell off of the turnip truck mid 90s I didn't know shit.
But I think you're both right. I also think as time goes on d6rB is going to become more and more right. I would guess that the solution to that is to incentivize those with higher IQs to have more kids and those with lower to have less. Sadly, exactly the opposite of what we do.
Edit: these type of jobs do exist in TX - but if 1/3 of PA and OH move here, they will become scarce and poorly paid. Also, we do not need any damned Yankees down here...
Yeah, I was going to mention that. Even back in the early 90s one of my best friends (dyslexic and not much into that learnin stuff) got a well paid job as a rough neck. These days he's an electrician and is apparently famous for being the guy who, "Energized the Samsung Plant", in Austin because most people were too scared to do that shit.
One of his jobs now is for the Toyota Truck facility in San Antonio I think. I suspect he has or could have more cash than I do at this point saved up.
The new shale phenom isn't just in Tejas either. Plenty of stupid people moved where the work is historically as well. Myself included. When I moved back to the bay area and fell off of the turnip truck mid 90s I didn't know shit.
But I think you're both right. I also think as time goes on d6rB is going to become more and more right. I would guess that the solution to that is to incentivize those with higher IQs to have more kids and those with lower to have less. Sadly, exactly the opposite of what we do.
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just_passing_through
2019 Jun 30, 9:48pm
just_passing_through
2019 Jun 30, 9:48pm
Misc says
Bah! Spoken like a socialist fuck that thinks what people earn isn't theirs to begin with. The Trump party is the party that gives you less freedom to take shit that isn't yours.
Regardless, the Trump party is the party of free shi
Bah! Spoken like a socialist fuck that thinks what people earn isn't theirs to begin with. The Trump party is the party that gives you less freedom to take shit that isn't yours.
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just_passing_through
2019 Jun 30, 9:50pm
just_passing_through
2019 Jun 30, 9:50pm
HeadSet says
I don't know about other states but here in kommiefornia state congress critter immediately started screeching for state mandated federal tax cut "clawbacks". Heh heh... I had to edit that to put it in quotes. The nerve of those assholes calling that stealing a clawback. Like it didn't belong to those who 'earned' it.
I honestly don't recall if any of that was implemented.
Did states do a money grab on the tax savings of the working people?
I don't know about other states but here in kommiefornia state congress critter immediately started screeching for state mandated federal tax cut "clawbacks". Heh heh... I had to edit that to put it in quotes. The nerve of those assholes calling that stealing a clawback. Like it didn't belong to those who 'earned' it.
I honestly don't recall if any of that was implemented.
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Ceffer
2019 Jun 30, 10:51pm
Ceffer
2019 Jun 30, 10:51pm
"Meanwhile for stock holders, the tax reduction increased the earning of the corporations." This is because the corporations made stuff that the people wanted to buy and could now afford because they had the extra money from the tax break. Corporations don't get something for nothing. It's only the LibbyFucks who think you can get something for nothing.
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2019 Jul 1, 3:49am
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2019 Jul 1, 3:49am
d6rB says
Ever hire someone to do landscaping at your house? In the Seattle area, even if a citizen owner shows up to quote the work, guess who does the work? Illegals. Drives down wages for workers, increases profits for owners. If you want to increase employment and wages, enforce E-verify. Cease outsourcing to overseas labor, and insourcing to imported labor who work at lower wages.
It was described long ago that the social compact was destroyed in the USA. There was even a book by that title.
And so yeah, the folks who in spite of this all, that have hustled, sweated, endured shit to earn a living and even put some aside have disdain for folks that just give up or want free shit.
.perhaps something other than Trump is the problem...Dumb and destructive economic policies exemplified by folks like former Bill Clinton advisor Laura Tyson at UC Berkeley, who endorsed outsourcing to other countries as the US would replace these manufacturing jobs with high tech jobs. At UC Berkeley, Tyson moonlighted at an on campus economics "think tank" that received industry funding. The academics have become whores for the monied interests.
Ever hire someone to do landscaping at your house? In the Seattle area, even if a citizen owner shows up to quote the work, guess who does the work? Illegals. Drives down wages for workers, increases profits for owners. If you want to increase employment and wages, enforce E-verify. Cease outsourcing to overseas labor, and insourcing to imported labor who work at lower wages.
It was described long ago that the social compact was destroyed in the USA. There was even a book by that title.
And so yeah, the folks who in spite of this all, that have hustled, sweated, endured shit to earn a living and even put some aside have disdain for folks that just give up or want free shit.
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Bd6r
2019 Jul 1, 8:09am
Bd6r
2019 Jul 1, 8:09am
willywonka says
Same in Tejas - even for big name housebuilders, only the front man is legal, everyone else is picked up at Home Depot parking lot and does not speak any English.
E-verify is crying for Trump executive order...any moment now...
even if a citizen owner shows up to quote the work, guess who does the work? Illegals.
Same in Tejas - even for big name housebuilders, only the front man is legal, everyone else is picked up at Home Depot parking lot and does not speak any English.
E-verify is crying for Trump executive order...any moment now...
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2019 Jul 1, 9:54am
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2019 Jul 1, 9:54am
d6rB says
E-verify is crying for Trump executive order...any moment now...Tee hee. But who will? Not the libtards who won't offend their voter base. Not folks taking money from large and small business. Who will stand up for these folks who could be meaningfully employed in manufacturing? Or programming, i.e., H1B visas.
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HeadSet
2019 Jul 1, 12:09pm
HeadSet
2019 Jul 1, 12:09pm
And so yeah, the folks who in spite of this all, that have hustled, sweated, endured shit to earn a living and even put some aside have disdain for folks that just give up or want free shit.
Yes. I had been saving for my daughter's college since she was born, only to watch tuition skyrocket in no small part to easy and irresponsible college loans. I see no reason to forgive these loans just so these clowns can now go out and rack up more debt that drives up the prices of cars and houses.
Yes. I had been saving for my daughter's college since she was born, only to watch tuition skyrocket in no small part to easy and irresponsible college loans. I see no reason to forgive these loans just so these clowns can now go out and rack up more debt that drives up the prices of cars and houses.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Jul 1, 1:40pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Jul 1, 1:40pm
willywonka says
It's "Interesting" that many Universities don't require Professors to announce conflict of interests.
State Law should require that Academics at State Universities do so. Prepare to be shocked at how many Public Policy and Econ Profs are taking money hand over fist from Industry Groups.
Dumb and destructive economic policies exemplified by folks like former Bill Clinton advisor Laura Tyson at UC Berkeley, who endorsed outsourcing to other countries as the US would replace these manufacturing jobs with high tech jobs. At UC Berkeley, Tyson moonlighted at an on campus economics "think tank" that received industry funding. The academics have become whores for the monied interests.
It's "Interesting" that many Universities don't require Professors to announce conflict of interests.
State Law should require that Academics at State Universities do so. Prepare to be shocked at how many Public Policy and Econ Profs are taking money hand over fist from Industry Groups.
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Bd6r
2019 Jul 1, 3:25pm
Bd6r
2019 Jul 1, 3:25pm
HonkpilledMaster says
Federal law does require to announce conflicts of interest if you hold ANY federal grants (NSF, Army, DOE etc). If you have only private grant money (from think tanks etc) then COE declaration might not be required. Also, declaring "conflict of interest" does nothing to stop conflict of interest. I know of several people high in hospital system who have National Institutes of Health funding (federal) and have YUUGE conflicts of interest (with startups they have created). Guess what - they got exemptions from their conflicts of interests from our illustrious Fed Gov.
It's "Interesting" that many Universities don't require Professors to announce conflict of interests.
Federal law does require to announce conflicts of interest if you hold ANY federal grants (NSF, Army, DOE etc). If you have only private grant money (from think tanks etc) then COE declaration might not be required. Also, declaring "conflict of interest" does nothing to stop conflict of interest. I know of several people high in hospital system who have National Institutes of Health funding (federal) and have YUUGE conflicts of interest (with startups they have created). Guess what - they got exemptions from their conflicts of interests from our illustrious Fed Gov.
Unfortunately, many Americans remain utterly unaware that they experienced a tax break:
Yet far from celebrating their lower tax bills as they prepared to file for the April 15th deadline, many Americans remain convinced they got no tax cut at all—or even that their
taxes went up. An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll in April showed that just 17 percent of Americans believe their taxes have been cut. A shocking 28 percent say they believe
their taxes went up. Other surveys have consistently found that less than one-third of Americans think they got a tax cut.
America is also seeing benefits from the Trump economy in other ways. A number of businesses announced investments in the U.S. following the passage of the tax cuts. In January 2018, Exxon Mobil announced a $50 billion investment in the American economy, citing the GOP’s tax bill.
“These investments are underpinned by the unique strengths of our company and enhanced by the historic tax reform recently signed into law,” Exxon CEO Darren Woods
wrote. “These positive developments will mean more jobs and economic expansion across the United States in a myriad of industries.”
SEE: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/27/fact-check-kamala-harris-says-trump-economy-not-working-for-working-people/