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Tales from the right aka The Appeal of Jordon Peterson. Soon to be labeled a "hit" piece.


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2019 Apr 8, 5:17pm   2,001 views  32 comments

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For all the perplexity surrounding his rise, however, there’s a simple explanation for his popularity. Peterson’s writing and lectures, on the surface level, are full of not-too-tough love and legitimately useful life advice; “Stand up straight with your shoulders back” and “Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street” are the titles of two chapters in 12 Rules for Life, top-line exhortations he uses to explain his views on dignity and the importance of life’s small pleasures.

What sets him apart is his ability to marry easy-to-digest platitudes with a passionately articulated and deeply conservative worldview, one that goes down just as smoothly for his overwhelmingly white, male fan base. Peterson speaks to the “lost boys” who populate the internet forums and finished basements of America with authority and candor, a comforting-yet-challenging paternal voice to a demographic that’s been the subject of as much scrutiny in recent months as Peterson himself.

And by combining his sensible empowerment program with reactionary treatises against “social justice warriors” and “cultural Marxism,” he’s succeeded where similar ideologues and pundits have failed—for better or worse, winning otherwise disengaged hearts and minds to his intellectual program. Canadian writer Tabatha Southey earned an online harassment campaign at the hands of some of Peterson’s more aggressive fans with a scathing essay in which she warned against his “dreadfully serious message,” asking of his lectures “when you insist the stakes are that high, the opposition that pernicious, who’s to say where the chips will fall?” The answer may be unclear, but in an era when the politics of male backlash helped put Donald Trump in the White House and have reignited a violent, long-dormant culture war, that makes Jordan Peterson perhaps the most important pundit in North America, if not the world.

Peterson’s even-handed, “just trying to have a conversation” style of political discourse allows him to position himself as the last sane man in a world threatened by leftist hysteria, the students in his original star-making videos serving as perfect foils. This dynamic was exemplified in one of the most popular videos featuring Peterson, a January appearance on Channel 4 where he calmly dismantles an overreaching critic in the British journalist Cathy Newman

If, as FDR is supposed to have once said, one should ask to be judged by the enemies they’ve made, it’s illuminating to look at Peterson’s bête noire—the specter of “cultural Marxism.” In Peterson’s conception, it’s a decadeslong conspiracy handed down from French postmodernists to today’s “social justice warriors” who intend to destroy rational meaning, starting with enforced gender pronoun use and ending with the gulag. In reality, the concept of “cultural Marxism” as deployed by Peterson can be traced back to the 1990s, promoted in a primordial form by Lyndon LaRouche’s think tank the Schiller Institute in its Fidelio magazine.

The Free Congress Foundation, a conservative think tank founded by far-right social conservative Paul Weyrich, then picked up the ball and ran with it in a 1999 video titled “The Origins of Political Correctness.” In the video, the paleoconservative writer William Lind draws a corkboard twine web connecting the work of Frankfurt School philosophers like Adorno and Marcuse to everything from the sexual revolution of the 1960s to 1990s-era campus activism. The assumed endpoint is, for them, the same as for Peterson—brutal repression at the hand of the totalitarian left.

In Peterson’s world, men are besieged by both sinister, pronoun-enforcing Marxists and Jungian “devouring mothers,” a cabal that’s created a culture of paralyzed man-children. His prescription for those man-children is to … throw their shoulders back, clean their rooms and take advantage of the institutional and intellectual infrastructure through which men have had an undefeated historical advantage in improving their station. To him, the hierarchical structures that underlie Western society are preordained, and questioning them is like questioning the weather, or the train schedule, or the Marvel Studios balance sheet. “You don’t change the world by going and waving signs at people you’ve defined as more evil than you,” he insists in a tirade against the efficacy of protest. If life has dealt you a bad hand, summon your inner übermensch and get thee to the laundromat.

It’s a deeply conservative worldview, but a deeply traditional one in contrast with the radicalism that has defined the online right in recent years. And that’s why Peterson has become such a phenomenon—acidic enough for a generation of angry, insecure young men raised on the illiberal, anarchic modern internet, but enough of an institutionalist that he can help them build bridges to the outside world. He tells a vivid story as a pundit, one where meaningful and time-tested hierarchies are under siege by amoral and malicious subversives. It’s a predictably familiar narrative coming from someone who made his academic mark with an ode to recursive storytelling. And for better or worse, that narrative has been deeply resonant with a generation of young men looking to define their own—so if his critics hope to loosen its thrall, they’re going to have to come up with a good alternative.

More: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/08/jordan-peterson-beating-pundits-own-game-217773

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11   marcus   2019 Apr 9, 6:31am  

SO you think it's really nifty when kids go to college and learn from leftist morons a quick 5 minute lesson about how everything is the fault of the patriarchy?

Or you like men that give up all semblance of manhood in support of third wave feminism ? Or you too think that whats wrong with the world today is that we aren't supporting those young children who think maybe they aren't the right gender ?

Sure, maybe Jordan Peterson has found an easy target in his criticism today's identity politics driven left.

That doesn't mean he's wrong. Neither is Camille Pagliia, who happens to be gay. Find her discussions with Peterson if you have an open minded cell in your body.
12   Patrick   2019 Apr 9, 7:03am  

Thanks @marcus

That was a good summary.
13   Onvacation   2019 Apr 9, 7:05am  

marcus says
Sure, maybe Jordan Peterson has found an easy target in his criticism today's identity politics driven left.

That doesn't mean he's wrong.

Yep.
Jordan Peterson is anything but right wing. He's just a professor that would not cater to the SJW's that are trying to take over our education system.
14   marcus   2019 Apr 9, 7:06am  

Kakistocracy says
Yes, Marxism did suffer a blow in the 1950s and 1960s, but not because of the failure of command economies defined by socialist states in the East. No. It was because of the success of state interventionist capitalism in the West. Peterson sees the two state forms as different, but state socialism and state interventionist capitalism have the exact same root, which is, precisely, the Marxist class critique of deep and brutal class conflicts in the 19th century. Despite its success, state interventionist capitalism (robust social welfare, unions, wages), or, put another way, the West's response to the Soviet project, was abandoned in the 1970s.


Very dishonest - not someone that has listened to JP, and not all that shocking that someone that is sympathetic to Marxism would be critical of Jordan Peterson.

You must know how to use youtube. What's wrong ? You don't want to mess up your youtube feed with Jordan Peterson videos ?
15   Goran_K   2019 Apr 9, 8:34am  

I stopped reading when it was claimed that Jordan Peterson is somehow "right wing or alt right".
17   Shaman   2019 Apr 9, 9:56pm  

personal
18   Patrick   2019 Apr 9, 10:11pm  

Goran_K says
I stopped reading when it was claimed that Jordan Peterson is somehow "right wing or alt right".


Good move.

There's no point in reading more if they're just going to lie.
19   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Apr 9, 10:38pm  

I didn't bother to read when they showed a picture of a slightly cluttered desk area apparently around 1PM, after a "Clean your room" quote.

That's petty, and I have seen Peterson making quick takes from his office, looks pretty clean most of the time.

But then again, the Altleft Media "fact checks" obvious jokes and parodies so what do you expect.
20   Ceffer   2019 Apr 9, 10:44pm  

Sounds like somebody with saffron, green and purple hair is jealous that JP got some traction and would like to intellectual snob-appeal him back into obscurity.
21   anonymous   2019 Apr 10, 1:03am  

marcus says
Very dishonest - not someone that has listened to JP, and not all that shocking that someone that is sympathetic to Marxism would be critical of Jordan Peterson


Jordan Peterson has not brought anything new to the table that has not been said or suggested in some fashion before in term of advice for living.

Other than his support for issues near and dear to people right of center he is a poor remake of Tony Robbins.
22   anonymous   2019 Apr 10, 1:08am  

marcus says
1) Actually listen to him enough to form your own opinion


I listened to one video - one and done. Nothing new. Then again I am not an adherent to the Red Pill philosophy either.

The guy is smart enough to cash in on his 5 minutes of fame however before he becomes passé which will happen sooner rather than later.
23   anonymous   2019 Apr 10, 1:10am  

Patrick says
Good move.

There's no point in reading more if they're just going to lie.


Pretty funny coming from the person who preaches try to see if from the other side etc. but even more ridiculous since it is the exact same shit
that was used as a defense when poor little Milo was being persecuted by U.C. Berkeley.

Reading is so over rated - tough too - that is why there is not one single intelligent comment from anyone on this forum including from yourself on the Michael Hudson posts.

Does it help Patrick that I am not on board with the Red Pill bullshit theory ?

Then again I am not in agreement with you on Diversity (really not on board with this one more than most things) and most everything else yourself and most of the forum gets hysterical about.

There is not one damn thing new or novel about this guy's sage wisdom. Nada -zippo - zilch.

Now since you are all no longer reading - how about not commenting as well.
24   anonymous   2019 Apr 10, 1:12am  

Goran_K says
I stopped reading when it was claimed that Jordan Peterson is somehow "right wing or alt right".


The horrors - and Obama was not born here - yes ? On board with the Red Pill theory ? Hate feminists ? The left is composed totally of SJWs ?
25   marcus   2019 Apr 10, 6:18am  

Kakistocracy says
Jordan Peterson has not brought anything new to the table that has not been said or suggested in some fashion before in term of advice for living.


Yeah, I didn't buy that book, and it's really almost nothing to do with my interest in him.
26   Goran_K   2019 Apr 10, 6:19am  

Kakistocracy says
Goran_K says
I stopped reading when it was claimed that Jordan Peterson is somehow "right wing or alt right".


The horrors - and Obama was not born here - yes ? On board with the Red Pill theory ? Hate feminists ? The left is composed totally of SJWs ?


Is that what you think Jordan Peterson believes?

Man. lol
27   anonymous   2019 Apr 10, 6:22am  

@Marcus - the 12 rules stuff - nice to read, common sense that even people like Tony Robbins who was the guru of the 90s has used in one form or another.

Tony Robbins slowly but surely faded from the limelight - this guy will as well, unless he leverages his temporary fame into the political arena and get elected to something and even that will fade with time.
28   anonymous   2019 Apr 10, 6:24am  

Perhaps if Peterson has something else to offer but more Red Pill bullshit repackaged - I might spend more time but for now I would rather use my time with the likes of Michael Hudson and others who have some profound insights on things rather than this dribble.

The best comment I have ever read on Hudson remains - one does not read a Hudson article or interview - one studies it - over and over to get all the nuances out of it and hope at the end of the day you gleaned some knowledge from him at the same time.

If you want to talk about someone who is brilliant while being overlooked - that is Hudson and he is not politically correct - quite the opposite.
29   marcus   2019 Apr 10, 6:34am  

Kakistocracy says
@Marcus - the 12 rules stuff - nice to read, common sense that even people like Tony Robbins who was the guru of the 90s has used in one form or another.


As I said. The 12 rules book has almost nothing to do with why I like peterson. I had probably watched 10 hours of his videos, long before that book came out.
30   marcus   2019 Apr 10, 6:34am  

Kakistocracy says
Here is something else I am critical of - the entire current Administration from the top to the bottom and everyone in between.


And I'm in total agreement with you there.

Kakistocracy says
marcus says
SO you think it's really nifty when kids go to college and learn from leftist morons a quick 5 minute lesson about how everything is the fault of the patriarchy?


This is particularly hysterical coming from Marcus since this is the very thing numerous commenters on here have accused you of for years


Yes, well the thing is they aren't completely wrong about the most gullible and simple minded of college students. I see the nuance though. There are too many intellectually lazy college students buying in to leftist nonsense. But there are also still many serious students who don't even have time for all the nonsense about intersectioality or the importance of trans pronouns. But Peterson is 100% right about the grievance studies majors and the degree to which the humanities have been screwed over by leftists.

THe fact that the same idiots on this site that are wrong about me also see things in a far more simplistic and generalized black and white way doesn't mean there isn't a problem on the left. I'm someone that wants to see the left go back to what it was. It doesn't mean I buy any of the dishonest bullshit on the right. Or their agenda. I'm a liberal.

I'm not a red piller, but there too, there is something there. That is the feminism has gone too far. The pay gap isn't what it's made out to be. And the toxic masculinity nonsense is bullshit. IT's not that it doesn't exist, but it's way over done.

I couldn't get the jordan peterson camille Pagia video to post correctly, but it's good stuff, and if you give it a chance, you might at a minimum understand why I like him.

The video is called modern times.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jordan+peterson+camille+paglia+
31   marcus   2019 Apr 10, 7:11am  

Another interesting video, if you want to understand, is petersons interview with jonathon chait about the lack of diversity of thought at colleges. Chait started the heterodox academy to fight this.

The Perilous State of the University: Jonathan Haidt & Jordan B Peterson

Same issue posting video.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jordan+peterson+jonathon+chait
32   marcus   2019 Apr 10, 7:15am  

Still, check out the discussion if you get a chance. That's what's different today than in 1970

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