patrick.net

In most of the marriages I have seen the man submitted to the woman. Laws and society force him to. This is not the natural state of humans but today the converse is the rule.

Notice the vitriol towards me in some posts above? I hear the loud crack of the pussy whip and can read the envy between the lines.

I am not seeking a "partner" in life; I'm the leader and she either gets with the program or not. Who in hell thinks they will find anyone equal enough to them to be a "partner" anyway?

My wife and I argue. We disagree. We work to make it work. We've talked and both of us have admitted there were times we wanted to walk away. But neither of us are quitters and neither of us believe in the 'happily ever after myth'. Marriage takes effort.

My skeptical mind says that people are too lazy make the effort and work for their marital happiness.

LastMan says

My wife and I argue. We disagree. We work to make it work. We've talked and both of us have admitted there were times we wanted to walk away. But neither of us are quitters and neither of us believe in the 'happily ever after myth'. Marriage takes effort.

There you go guys, another guy that gets it.

LastMan says

My skeptical mind says that people are too lazy make the effort and work for their marital happiness.

You're not skeptical, that's the truth. That's where the real pussies are, too lazy to make it happen. They rather whine and complain that it's the woman's fault.

MrMagic says

You're not skeptical, that's the truth. That's where the real pussies are, too lazy to make it happen. They rather whine and complain that it's the woman's fault.

Nah see too many pussy whipped fools with Stockholm's syndrome who think they have a great thing going. Just like in Malaysia a Muslim majority nation. Women were complaining about the rigid anti women laws. One senior woman in power said it was the women's fault-because women must learn to be a great virtuous woman, a whore in bed and a great chef -if only a woman acted like that, then their husbands will still be interested in them. So basically it si always the woman's fault.

In western society it si always the man's fault. IT makes zero economic sense today to get married-unless your wife is also educated and career oriented. Because she can quit any day . In CA for example you can be married as little as 10 years and now owe support for life not to mention huge amounts in child support-with no accounting or choice in how it is spent. You may be a millionare but frugal-why is the govt forcing you to spend obscene amounts of money on child support.

It is not women or men-but the government and rules of law. Just as a rape victim's testimony in court will not carry weight in Saudi arabia-as a woman's testimony is only worth half a man's testimony-the uS is gone nuts with respect to men.

Those with assets best follow Rin's law and if you want a kid get a surrogate. Anyone who thinks that just because you have a been married a long time means you have a great marriage and are never lonely is just in lala land. In many cases I have seen it is water, water everywhere, but nary a drop to drink-the tale of a boater marooned ins ea.


The laws need changing and women wanted equality -time to step off and get of the alimony/oversize child support train wagon.

That won't happen and so people will continue to distance themselves-when you are looking at a 50% divorce rate-thank you mam-the sex was great-but plenty of other fish in the sea.

Left wingers too, they've started this whole bullshit of trying to push women vs men. Particularly white women vs white men. That was the next step in Identity Politics after race and sexual confused people weren't enough to push them to victory.

And too many stupid women believe in that horseshit, those women weren't smart to begin with. But constantly exposed to feminist crap, it ruins their lives with ideology of bullshit.

clambo says

In most of the marriages I have seen the man submitted to the woman. Laws and society force him to. This is not the natural state of humans but today the converse is the rule.

Notice the vitriol towards me in some posts above? I hear the loud crack of the pussy whip and can read the envy between the lines.

I am not seeking a "partner" in life; I'm the leader and she either gets with the program or not. Who in hell thinks they will find anyone equal enough to them to be a "partner" anyway?

I think you're attempting to make a good point. In every single facet of life, there is a hierarchy. Men are top of the heap. At least real men anyway. Nuptials used to say..."honor and obey". Even the bible says a woman must submit.

Men who know they are to be top of the heap will not submit. Society loses.

I'm married as well but I'm also terrified that I could lose my kids and most of my shit if she wants to go there. She has never given me reason to think that, but I've heard men say that who have also gone through a crippling divorce. I think that no fault divorce was the big mistake we made in destroying the nuclear family and the damage is being compounded on every incoming generation in ways we don't even understand yet.

Some of us are not interested in the struggle to "make something work". Why is this considered a virtue when the end result is an older, chubbier, more controlling female who withholds affection as a negotiation tactic?

1. Cooking? I can cook. I took organic chemistry and the lab recipes were more complex than food recipes.

2. Cleaning? I can hire this out or do it myself if it's a rainy day. Also, female visitors tend to like to clean my place if they get bored and don't want to go out sightseeing, beach, shopping, etc. (sometimes).

3. Laundry? Come on. Cleaners iron your shirts and other stuff I do myself.

4. Keep me company? Some of the dullest nonsense conversations have taken place in my abode with a female partner. I doubt I could take decades of this. Over short time periods, it's fun however to converse with them. The average female is so quaintly misinformed and clueless yet loves to lecture others, while regaling me with idiotic drama events with her friends.

5. Sexual favors? I think it's actually more effective to let them think I have multiple options; this seems to be a "jealousy trap" to induce good behavior. If the female knows she's very pretty this doesn't work very well. If another female knows that I sometimes see a beautiful female this keeps her seeking my approval, not I seeking hers.

I'm going to pick my battles carefully; I am not entering into an arrangement where it's me against the govt., society and an angry female if things don't go her way.

Pardon my excessive posting, it's a fun subject and I can touch type.

clambo says

I'm going to pick my battles carefully; I am not entering into an arrangement where it's me against the govt., society and an angry female if things don't go her way.

Sounds like with all your negativity against women, you'd be better off with a dog or cat. At least they won't try to steal all your "stuff" or get a lawyer to do it...

clambo says

Some of us are not interested in the struggle to "make something work".

Thanks for proving my point about laziness...

Close Thread!

I haven't seen anything but valid points.

mell says

But if you are a modern equalist, then they should share the financial burden.

You share the financial burden if you share the burden of care. 50/50 custody arrangements are common these days. Maybe one week on and off, or whatever works for the parties involved. But even in these situations, income discrepancies are equalized.
My sister makes more than her ex, so she’s had to pay him child support for years even though they both have the kids half the time.
He was pretty bummed when she left him as he was planning on her being his meal ticket. Now she’s married to a guy who is older but very well off and they have a new toddler.
So even with the child support, she’s doing much better.

clambo says

The average female is so quaintly misinformed and clueless yet loves to lecture others, while regaling me with idiotic drama events with her friends.

This. Most women are boring. Even the smart ones will go on and on about stupid girl drama they encounter. But they’ll be more informed and thoughtful at least. I left several relationships before I met my wife because of dull conversation.
I remember one woman who was not only misinformed but also bossy and was trying to shame me for my dating profile (I was 26 and said I’d be open to dating 18-30) on the first date. Like i was some kind of pedophile for being open to dating an 18 year old. She pissed me off so much I just never called her again (rather than saying anything to end things). When she finally called me back to ask what was up, THEN I told her to fuck off!

"Now she’s married to a guy who is older but very well off and they have a new toddler.
So even with the child support, she’s doing much better."

Smart woman. Move on and up to better prospects and solidify the financial relationship with a child.

Understand - I don't know the details of why there was divorce, so maybe it was truly the end vs a "I want more/better", etc...
And I do agree that the burden shouldn't be "whoever makes the most contributes the most" for C/S. It should be a 50/50 deal. Otherwise, one party is subsidizing the other.

If I could become the slovenly hanger-on of a nymphomaniacal rich bitch, I might consider marriage.

Quigley says

This. Most women are boring. Even the smart ones will go on and on about stupid girl drama they encounter.

and you think guys are better?

Quigley says

and was trying to shame me for my dating profile (I was 26 and said I’d be open to dating 18-30) on the first date. Like i was some kind of pedophile for being open to dating an 18 year old.

Shit test and competition control

Marriage is outdated and serves no practical purpose that another legal instrument couldn't handle. I used to think it was important for children's legitimacy, I have reconsidered, again, another legal instrument can establish guardianship.

MrMagic says

and you think guys are better?

Touché!
Most guys are also boring talking about a couple subjects and knowing fuck all about most other things. Sports seems to be the most popular subject. Followed by vehicles, their maintenance, construction, and operation.
I don’t follow professional sports (saves tons of time for more meaningful things(I mean, who even remembers a game from last year?)) and I don’t enjoy working on vehicles. I mean, I can and I do quite a bit of mechanic work on vehicles, but I’m not going to obsess over it.

So I come to Patnet to have adult conversation with people of higher intellect and more varied interests.

Quigley says

So I come to Patnet to have adult conversation with people of higher intellect and more varied interests.

You found one? I'm still waiting.

So I come to Patnet to have adult conversation with people of higher intellect and more varied interests.

Why, Thank You!!

That female who gave Quigley shit for being 26 and willing to date an 18 year old would surely try to kill me for my "crimes." In my defense, it wasn't my idea, as lame as it sounds.

Younger men are more foolish and disrespectful than older men; I am more mellow and less pushy to females now than I ever was. Decades ago I felt the sting of frustration if things didn't happen with a female. Now I just wonder "what opportunity will be the next? I hope it's not too long a wait." I feel like that Seinfeld episode where things always seemed to work out for Jerry.

As impossible as it sounds, a younger female I see from time to time is actually the most easy to converse with and is very mellow and respectful. She is fun to travel with and was very nice company She would be an acceptable long term partner but she's too young so when she's still hot I will look like death warmed over. Life is sometimes strange; I feel comfortable and relaxed in her company even though never thought I could.

clambo says

Life is sometimes strange; I feel comfortable and relaxed in her company even though never thought I could

Knock her up and have some kids! Women like that are super tough to find. They get snatched up fast, usually right out of high school.

clambo says

Life is sometimes strange; I feel comfortable and relaxed in her company even though never thought I could.

This is the relaxation and misdirection pheromone they exert, just before they thrust their proboscis into your belly to digest your guts and slurp them out like a straw.

Quigley, I will leave it to others to knock her up. I hope her pussy snaps back into shape and I can maybe use it again someday. I can wait I have the patience of Job in this regard. The guy stupid enough to knock her up will later be resented by her for being stupid, and she may seek me out, who knows what the future may bring?

Ceffer, you are astute and likely correct; her nice company sweetness is of course temporary and may be a tactic.

Either way, it's OK because I am not being the "sugar daddy" she may have wished for.

Why buy when you can rent?

As impossible as it sounds, a younger female I see from time to time is actually the most easy to converse with and is very mellow and respectful.

Welcome to the "Harmless Old Man" zone. Young women often see oldies as totally out of the game and non-threatening. You will really know this is the case if while on the beach, she asks you to hold the towel as a view block while she changes into a bikini.

MAGA says

Why buy when you can rent?

Three Fs

If it flys, floats, or fucks, better off renting.

Anecdote for Patnet guys:

Saturday I got a call from an attractive not beautiful chubby female Haitian friend of mine. She said "It's my birthday today." "Oh, I guess someone should take you out to dinner then." Later, I got out of my comfy shorts and squeezed into long pants and a long sleeved shirt and took her to a modest but ok restaurant. She was thrilled. Later I opened my wallet and gave her some of the cash withholding some for scuba diving the next day. "I need to keep some $ they want us to tip the people who help us on the dive boat."
She: "I want to see you on my day off Wednesday too."

Sunday up at 3am for some reason, went diving in AM, back by 1:30 pm, tired and another female who is beautiful, in her 20's texts me "I need you".
"What's the problem?" "I need $200 today. I will come up and clean your place and do other things." "I will need to sleep first." "Let me know when you wake up."
I tried to sleep but the afternoon sun made it impossible so I vegged out then texted her "I'm too tired, I can't see you today." She texted back "I'll bring lotion and give you a massage, you'll be able to sleep." "I'm sorry." "OK" she gave up.

She may have been very shocked that my mood affected my interest in females more than other guys she may know. If I were 20 years younger I would have crawled over broken glass to see her.

Some of my married friends would say I am nuts to reject an offer of a gorgeous female in the afternoon but I didn't think her offer was reasonable.

I am filing this under the "Only in Florida" anecdotes.

clambo says

She said "It's my birthday today." "Oh, I guess someone should take you out to dinner then."

clambo says

Later I opened my wallet and gave her some of the cash

clambo says

in her 20's texts me "I need you".
"What's the problem?" "I need $200 today.

So sad... maybe some day you'll wake up and realize why these women are contacting you.

MrMagic says

So sad... maybe some day you'll wake up and realize why these women are contacting you.

Maybe Clambo wants to be like Rin?

Clambo is the fly zapper of predatory female aspirations. Dangle the dough, and let them crawl and compete like hookers at a porno audition, then kick them to the curb! Bravo!

Beware that in playing this game, one is nearly always brought to ground! Then, after they secure the life insurance with them as beneficiary, it is either fast poison or slow torture!

They have the same billion years of evolutionary strategy to outsmart you, but the egg always wins!

zzyzzx says

Maybe Clambo wants to be like Rin?

Maybe, but he has a long way to go. Right now he's trolling along the bottom of the bottom, looking for dates.

He should go do this with a dollar bill in a trailer park, who knows what he could catch:

Ceffer says

Clambo is the fly zapper of predatory female aspirations. Dangle the dough, and let them crawl and compete like hookers at a porno audition, then kick them to the curb! Bravo!

Beware that in playing this game, one is nearly always brought to ground! Then, after they secure the life insurance with them as beneficiary, it is either fast poison or slow torture!

They have the same billion years of evolutionary strategy to outsmart you, but the egg always wins!

Of course it does, for the simple reason that age and death are inevitable, and the only winner can ever be the following generations. Brought to you by the egg.

Guys, this thread is growing old and boring.

Seriously, devoting this much mental power on the whole dating scam, as oppose to let's say undervalued dividend stocks, is a waste of time and energy.

If you can't sublimate and thrive, BOINK HOES!

Ceffer "fly zapper" that's funny.

For Mr. Magic; The birthday girl contacted me because 1. she doesn't have a boyfriend 2. she wanted to go out for her birthday 3. she likes me too. 4. from decades of experience, I know that the only reason a female tells me it's her birthday is wishing to go out and eat, which I like to do also when I choose the place.

The birthday girl is not gorgeous and conceited. She has never asked me for money. For the record, I realize she's unable to make ends meet with no vices nor luxuries so if we see each other I don't mind giving her some "gas money."

The beautiful younger one seeking $200 called me and explained that her coworkers were all going on a trip someplace and she wanted to go with them. I said that wasn't reasonable and I'm not interested. We argued and she said I think I'm smarter than she because I'm white.

Of course the subject is boring sometimes; females are less interesting than life but more interesting than TV or sports.

All females like flowers, but they love money. The amount is up to you.

We can connect with women if we don't objectify them.

If we don't objectify them we can make some amazing connections with ones that are not "hot", or that don't try to be "hot".

You might be surprised, get past that any you may even make some connections with lesbians who you'd otherwise think hate all men (and all straight women).

Try that some time, not objectifying them. Maybe one of those would become your best friend then partner, like mine did 31 years ago.

@clambo: hilarious, have you heard of the new super-hero 'florida man'?

https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaMan/

Magic reminds me of my dad if my dad actually said what he's thinking more often. Older generation with horse blinders on refusing to see society burning down around them. "You're doing it wrong based on what worked for me in the good ol' days". THANKS BOOMERS!

Other than this particular topic I tend to agree with him though.

Rin is right but the markets are closed right now so...

Even this is a bad idea these days:

www.youtube.com/embed/6EqFVWzOfN8