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turtledove says

You are not gay. It must have hurt your feelings, especially if you were young at the time.

not really- because today it's not really a negative to be gay. but clearly youre trying to instigate because I exactly described what your lame story above is really about. 27 year old woman 'not really looking to be married' is not exactly believable, and you just so happened to meet a doctor! but he was in the process of divorce anyway. Then you saved him when he was crying! youre a hero.

so Im guessing youre approaching 40 and, like all women, you are completely losing your sex appeal. So you have to convince yourself you are providing something to the partnership. Mothering, Emotional Support, Legal Advice, whatever you can possibly convince yourself of, but we know the truth, like every women you are there to TAKE, and you husband is there to GIVE and you know the reality of it, if he loses interest the marriage is done. I know how the female mind works because my eyes are open.

Rin says

he's playing hard to get, he's a creep/weirdo, or he's gay

YEP.

they can't accept the real answer. HE DOESNT WANT YOU.

they will create any sort of reality they can possibly fit to the facts but that one.

Rin says

'Hey, maybe I'm too much of a drama queen? Perhaps I'm high maintenance? Maybe I need to work on my own personality?

ever hear them say "maybe i need to be less demanding?"

if you really want to be happy in life, you need to accept how women really are.

Rin says

Look, women have called me gay, behind my back, when I wasn't interested in them either.

Perhaps they read your aura and decided that you were gay, as in HAPPY. ;-)

Rin says

Look, women have called me gay, behind my back, when I wasn't interested in them either. No one's breaking new grounds here.

But, if you read his words, it wasn't behind his back. She said it to his face.... the way he described it, the exchange didn't sound like an angry outburst. Since he wrote it, I'm just trying to understand. There's no agenda other than trying to understand where someone else is coming from.

Peter P says

HAPPY

Yes, Mademoiselle Gisele's body slide has a way of doing that :-)

Rin says

Maybe I need to work on my own personality?

it used to be(not very long ago) much harder for women to pull this shit. Gossiping and making up things, which is routine for women, was very much frowned upon. This sort of culture that has replaced the traditional one seems to allow for this, sometimes it even promotes it.

they'll contend that 'theyre not really like that' but watch them and observe that they dont even like being around each other. They prefer the company of men because they can manipulate them, lie and gossip and never get called on it, etc. etc. Women do not allow this sort of behavior towards each other.

turtledove says

But, if you read his words, it wasn't behind his back. She said it to his face.... the way he described it, the exchange didn't sound like an angry outburst. Since he wrote it, I'm just trying to instigate unsuccessfully. There's no agenda other than trying to understand where someone else is coming from.

no, no agenda at all. do you think youre in the least bit convincing?

your just displaying the petty nature of the woman.

@ Turtledove

You've said your peace to Rin but don't bother feeding the troll. He's well fed enough else ware on this forum. We wouldn't want him to get too fattened up now would we?

'cause he's a tranny....

turtledove says

Okay, why? Why are you the only person who has the possibility of knowing women?

as i mentioned these subjects will literally drive women insane. they can't accept these facts.

actually as soon as they encounter them some kind of deep psychological urge surfaces and they NEED to stomp it out. It's really bizarre actually. They have a strong need to prevent men from pursuing this line of thinking. It's not even something that is learned, it's deep inside them and they hardly understand it.

The Original Bankster says

They have a strong need to prevent men from pursuing this line of thinking.

The thing is that the 'non-random walk hypothesis' for men is that men are suppose to fall in love and seek marriage.

The notion that this could possibly be a phase, like playing with Star Wars or Barbie dolls as a child, is the issue.

Rin says

The thing is that the 'non-random walk hypothesis' for men is that men are suppose to fall in love and seek marriage.

The notion that this could possibly be a phase, like playing with Star Wars or Barbie dolls as a child, is the issue.

it's something deeper. When they come in contact with someone who thinks like me, they'll try anything to discredit. Just look at how desperate TD is to discredit me. Not the first time I've encountered this.

Again Yoga teachings go into a lot of theory about how this works, of course women have attempted to completely flood this field of knowledge with their own version of things. They actually have yoga competitions now due to their influence. Read the authentic writings, it's very enlightening. Sometimes I wish I wasn't American because it's probably the most hostile to this mentality, but then again I guess there is purpose here. Men are waking up and changing their outlooks.

The Original Bankster says

When they come in contact with someone who thinks like me, they'll try anything to discredit. Just look at how desperate TD is to discredit me. Not the first time I've encountered this.

The thing is that you've jumped into the Franciscan way, a bit quickly and w/o warning. That's a bit of a flashpoint for most ppl, as there isn't this Shaolin order in modern western society. Ppl, who're into spirituality tend to hang around wannabes like Eckhart Tolle or Deepak Chopra.

I'm in the Dionysian group, mixing a bit of the mystical stuff with earthly pleasures, but at the same time, I reject mainstream New Age and yes, Yoga gathering type of thinkers.

re. Yoga the popular stuff ala Deepak Chopra is incompatible with traditional yoga. You have to read into it.

Thing is, you have to understand the chief feature of the female psychology. Women all know, internally that men have something that they lack and they need it to exist. They are deficient, they are weaker, they lack the thing the man has and they need it. It's not altogether physical, it's a spiritual thing. Now they all have different ways of relating to this chief feature of their psychology. Some accept it fully- those are the 'traditional women' like an Amish woman for instance knows and accepts that she needs to depend on a man psychologically to be complete. those are also the happiest women who have the least emotional problems. Then there are women who deny it, and in denying it need to lie to themselves to a degree which results in all sorts of pathology at other levels, this is your typical modern woman. This denial takes many forms and will vary in degree and form from one woman to the next. This is mostly why TD obviously needs to fulfill some psychological urge here- this isn't just a discussion for her- she is compelled internally to beat down this idea I am building up in this thread.

There was a psychologist over 100 years ago that explained this matter-of-factly. He was removed almost entirely from the psychology curriculum by marxist-feminists. His name was Freud.

Rin says

The thing is that you've jumped into the Franciscan way, a bit quickly and w/o warning. That's a bit of a flashpoint for most ppl, as there isn't this Shaolin order in modern western society

yes, there were orders and such for this sort of thing and most of them have disappeared. That was a different age. something overtook mankind roughly 150 or so years ago.

so dont write off Yoga but certainly women have spoiled the subject by burying it with nonsense.

The Original Bankster says

Again Yoga teachings go into a lot of theory about how this works, of course women have attempted to completely flood this field of knowledge with their own version of things.

There was a girl on the beach in a bikini doing yoga today. I fell off my surf board a lot.

but one thing I noticed with you, Rin. Youre at a point where you understand completely that sex is just a biological habit, and your right. It is an animalistic urge and there is no 'love' there. You assume that this habit is inevitable where it most certainly is not. It's harder to control it if you start at a later age though, but possible.

In earlier times, control was thought to be manly rather than being a total sex glutton. Times have changed.

Ceffer says

There was a girl on the beach in a bikini doing yoga today. I fell off my surf board a lot.

this isn't yoga. She's simply doing postures(asana) that are meant to be preparations for other things. Doing it in her bikini in an attempt to allure men is just a joke. This is not the purpose of yoga at all. Perhaps a major part of the problem is men lost sight of the PURPOSE here?

The Original Bankster says

Then there are [those] who deny it, and in denying it need to lie to themselves to a degree which results in all sorts of pathology at other levels... This is mostly why [TOB] obviously needs to fulfill some psychological urge here- this isn't just a discussion for her- she is compelled internally to beat down this idea....

To understand TOB, rent a 2005 movie called Edmond. Every comment from TOB is accompanied by the URL linking to his obsession, and he hijacks thread after thread into yet another gay thread. Often he posts photos that he claims nobody should see, and then insists that everybody must look. It's the same with Bop69 and Forthood.

turtledove says

So, when TOB said that women said he was gay and he says he's not, I believe him, completely. Given the fact that he himself said that he isn't a fan of the gay lifestyle, I thought that it was probably very hurtful to him to have some gal suggest he's gay. If it happened at a young age, I would imagine this could be extra upsetting.

TD, you are a good person, but your charity is wasted on TOB. Sexual orientation is already determined before even learning to speak; whatever other girls said to him later is not what set him off like that. Most likely he was born into an extremely repressive environment that set him at war against The Devil Inside, which he can never vanquish because when he goes to war against himself he's bound to lose. The women who said he was gay were actually women who knew him personally, and figured out that he was in fact secretly homosexual; in particular, he seems especially drawn to older guys.

curious2 says

To understand TOB, rent a 2005 movie called Edmond. Every comment from TOB is accompanied by the URL linking to his obsession, and he hijacks thread after thread into yet another gay thread. Often he posts photos that he claims nobody should see. It's the same with Bop69 and Forthood.

"Hi I'm curious2, I can't deal with opinions that vary from mine."

curious2 says

To understand TOB, rent a 2005 movie called Edmond. Every comment from TOB is accompanied by the URL linking to his obsession, and he hijacks thread after thread into yet another gay thread. Often he posts photos that he claims nobody should see. It's the same with Bop69 and Forthood.

There's also a style of mental purification where in fact, a person sits in presence of all the things which disturb him, until he becomes oblivious to them.

Rin says

There's also a style of mental purification where in fact, a person sits in presence of all the things which disturb him, until he becomes oblivious to them.

...and then he walks away. That isn't TOB's style. TOB keeps coming back to his obsession, towels off when he's done with the day's "beat" fapping, and then returns the next day. The Graduate doesn't say much about a whole generation, but a 2005 movie called Edmond says a lot about TOB.

curious2 says

Rin says

There's also a style of mental purification where in fact, a person sits in presence of all the things which disturb him, until he becomes oblivious to them.

...and then he walks away. That isn't TOB's style. TOB keeps coming back to his obsession, towels off when he's done with the day's "beat" fapping, and then returns the next day.

It takes time.

I'm still angry at those, who advocate a STEM shortage.

Like New Renter, it's a topic which gets me riled up, as I view an interest in science & engineering work, a calling in life, then something which a bunch of academicians and industry leads, take ppl for a ride.

Rin says

I'm still angry....

That showed, in a different thread, where you couldn't answer a simple question. TOB is much angrier though, and it's in every TOB comment in every thread. The difference is obvious.

curious2 says

Rin says

I'm still angry....

That showed, in a different thread, where you couldn't answer a simple question. TOB is much angrier though, and it's in every TOB comment in every thread. The difference is quite obvious

That's because I enjoy bo*nking hoes. It's just that society doesn't agree with me.

Perhaps TOB didn't explore enough, before he turned to his current perspective. And thus, there's more emotional work which needs to be done.

Rin says

TOB didn't explore enough, before he turned to his current perspective. And thus, there's more emotional work which needs to be done.

Yes, in particular he needs more exploration with those older guys who look so attractive to his eyes.

Rin says

Like New Renter, it's a topic which gets me riled up, as I view an interest in science & engineering work, a calling in life, then something which a bunch of academicians and industry leads, take ppl for a ride.

And the best way to cope I've found has been is to spread the truth, at least my perspective of it.

curious2 says

Rin says

TOB didn't explore enough, before he turned to his current perspective. And thus, there's more emotional work which needs to be done.

Yes, in particular he needs more exploration with those older guys who look so attractive to his eyes.

Look, I admire physically fit men, regardless of their age bracket. It's just a sign of respect, the man works out and takes care of himself. I model myself after that.

The issue is more that when a person gets jaded early in life, like the age of 21 (or earlier), and decides to turn against sexuality, because the average woman is incompatible; well, the way I see it is that the body is kinda in a rebellious mode because many young men want sex. Thus, the emotion of anger takes over and so on.

In my case, I'd waited till I was 29 and strangely enough, my interest in relationships, as a way towards sex, diminished over time. Thus, I was confirmed in my natural heterosexuality but my emotional needs were not depended upon it. If I were let's say 21, I couldn't have made that distinction, so clearly and succinctly.

Rin, at this point, I can only ask, if that's how you explain TOB's comments about women and gay people, how do you explain TOB's website link?

Rin says

Hey, us BS artists don't push paper, we push the dream ...

The BS that might fool a greedy mark, who is dreaming about easy riches, doesn't work so well in other contexts.

curious2 says

Rin, at this point, I can only ask, if that's how you explain TOB's comments about women and gay people, how do you explain TOB's website link?

I believe he'd turned off his sexuality at too early of an age, to fully understand himself.

Now, that doesn't imply who/what he is but the act of active suppression, creates issues long term. Thus, he could be fully heterosexual but he'd gone cold turkey, a bit too early, out of an act of vendetta and/or evening the score, instead of some psychological mastery program.

I'd never repressed my sexuality, despite having a lot of dating problems during my early 20s. All of those experiences (and mishaps), helped me in finding out who and what I was. At this point in my life, I really could care less about who/what, ppl want to bo*nk. What I'm a bit miffed at, is that so many ppl keep telling me that I should fall in love and get married, as if that was some mandatory protocol.

Rin you seem to have difficulty answering questions in a way that relates to the actual question. Did you even read TOB's website link? How do you connect both of those terms to sexuality?

Rin says

Hey, us BS artists don't push paper, we push the dream ...

The BS that might fool a greedy mark, who is dreaming about easy riches, doesn't work so well in other contexts.

Rin says

despite having a lot of dating problems during my early 20s.

Elephant in the room.

Rin says

All those experiences (and mishaps), helped me in finding out who and what I was.

Well, that's a miracle. For many others who have had traumatic relationships, we found they made us doubt ourselves and have lots of questions.

Rin says

What I'm a bit miffed at, is that so many ppl keep telling me that I should fall in love and get married, as if that was some mandatory protocol.

I think you misunderstand. I can't speak for your experiences outside of this board, but all I see here are people who are sharing their experiences as a way to show you that your way isn't the only way.... and that devastation and financial ruin isn't the only possible conclusion.

curious2 says

Wow you seem to have difficulty answering questions in a way that relates to the actual question. Did you even read TOB's website link?!? How do you even connect both of those terms to sexuality?

Isn't it obvious, he's against homosexuality and has shown it having a higher acceptance than ongoing discrimination against blacks?

Now draw the parallel ... the person has had his sexuality completely displaced at a young age, out of the fact of his inherent incompatibility to western women, and thus, wants to show a correlation that an increase in acceptance of the gay lifestyle correlates with the decline of meaningful associations with women.

In other words, the reason for the subject. not having his life with a particular companion, female with the right attributes, is a result of the resultant decline of the overall society.

turtledove says

Rin says

despite having a lot of dating problems during my early 20s.

Elephant in the room.

It happens, I'm not alone in failed relationships.

turtledove says

Rin says

All those experiences (and mishaps), helped me in finding out who and what I was.

Well, that's a miracle. For many other who have had traumatic relationships, we found they made us doubt ourselves and have lots of questions.

When they say time heals all wounds, what it means is that over time, you learn to simply get by, with fewer expectations of others.

turtledove says

Rin says

What I'm a bit miffed at, is that so many ppl keep telling me that I should fall in love and get married, as if that was some mandatory protocol.

I think you misunderstand. I can't speak for your experiences outside of this board, but all I see here are people who are sharing their experiences as a way to show you that your way isn't the only way.... and that devastation and financial ruin isn't the only possible conclusion.

But what would you say to my brother-in-law, married to my own flesh and blood sister? And the fact that it's such a large percentage of our population, should really make one take notice that we have a real entropic situation here.

Rin says

Isn't it obvious, he's against homosexuality and has shown it having a higher acceptance than ongoing discrimination against blacks?

No, that isn't even accurate let alone obvious.

The link shows the frequency of two words in news headlines from 2004 through 2014. The word used more commonly in headlines starts with n, and its use has decreased somewhat during the period. The word used less commonly in headlines starts with f, and its use increased somewhat during the period, although it has not yet caught up. The link says nothing about acceptance of either word, let alone the people described by either word.

The only purpose of TOB's link is to put those words into every comment TOB posts on this forum, regardless of context.

curious2 says

The only purpose of TOB's link is to put those words into every comment TOB posts on this forum, regardless of context.

I'm not saying that TOB isn't a troll but I'm trying to get at his motivations in terms of sexuality and society in general.

Rin says

I'm trying to get at his motivations in terms of sexuality and society in general.

Are you really? It doesn't seem that way. It seems more like you've committed to a position, probably before reading the link, and you don't want to walk away from it now.

curious2 says

Rin says

I'm trying to get at his motivations in terms of sexuality and society in general.

Are you really? It doesn't seem that way. It seems more like you've committed to a position, probably before reading the link, and you don't want to walk away from it now.

I've seen the chart, I don't see how that changes the nature of his postings?

A 21 year old man, without training under some adept/master, cannot simply eliminate his sexuality w/o some sort of backlash, internally. Now that years have past, you see the outrage in a more visceral way.

TOB went to war against his Devil Inside (homosexuality) long before 21, more like 12. His obsession with homosexuality in general and older guys in particular started around then, and yes it created visceral outrage that causes him now to troll. Unless a pimply 12yo can afford male esc*rts in Phoenix, your method would not have saved him.

Rin says

But what would you say to my brother-in-law, married to my own flesh and blood sister?

I wasn't going to say this before, but since you brought the issue up specifically, I must. You never betray your flesh and blood. She is your sister. Her husband is nothing to you. I don't care what she does, she is your flesh and blood and you are ALWAYS on her side. Perhaps it's an Italian thing, but I wouldn't betray my brothers over some woman they are married to for anything in the world --- I DON'T CARE WHAT MY BROTHERS DO. They will always have my loyalty first. (That doesn't mean that I wouldn't give my brothers my two cents, but that's done privately.)