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The Original Bankster says

Again Yoga teachings go into a lot of theory about how this works, of course women have attempted to completely flood this field of knowledge with their own version of things.

There was a girl on the beach in a bikini doing yoga today. I fell off my surf board a lot.

but one thing I noticed with you, Rin. Youre at a point where you understand completely that sex is just a biological habit, and your right. It is an animalistic urge and there is no 'love' there. You assume that this habit is inevitable where it most certainly is not. It's harder to control it if you start at a later age though, but possible.

In earlier times, control was thought to be manly rather than being a total sex glutton. Times have changed.

Ceffer says

There was a girl on the beach in a bikini doing yoga today. I fell off my surf board a lot.

this isn't yoga. She's simply doing postures(asana) that are meant to be preparations for other things. Doing it in her bikini in an attempt to allure men is just a joke. This is not the purpose of yoga at all. Perhaps a major part of the problem is men lost sight of the PURPOSE here?

The Original Bankster says

Then there are [those] who deny it, and in denying it need to lie to themselves to a degree which results in all sorts of pathology at other levels... This is mostly why [TOB] obviously needs to fulfill some psychological urge here- this isn't just a discussion for her- she is compelled internally to beat down this idea....

To understand TOB, rent a 2005 movie called Edmond. Every comment from TOB is accompanied by the URL linking to his obsession, and he hijacks thread after thread into yet another gay thread. Often he posts photos that he claims nobody should see, and then insists that everybody must look. It's the same with Bop69 and Forthood.

turtledove says

So, when TOB said that women said he was gay and he says he's not, I believe him, completely. Given the fact that he himself said that he isn't a fan of the gay lifestyle, I thought that it was probably very hurtful to him to have some gal suggest he's gay. If it happened at a young age, I would imagine this could be extra upsetting.

TD, you are a good person, but your charity is wasted on TOB. Sexual orientation is already determined before even learning to speak; whatever other girls said to him later is not what set him off like that. Most likely he was born into an extremely repressive environment that set him at war against The Devil Inside, which he can never vanquish because when he goes to war against himself he's bound to lose. The women who said he was gay were actually women who knew him personally, and figured out that he was in fact secretly homosexual; in particular, he seems especially drawn to older guys.

curious2 says

To understand TOB, rent a 2005 movie called Edmond. Every comment from TOB is accompanied by the URL linking to his obsession, and he hijacks thread after thread into yet another gay thread. Often he posts photos that he claims nobody should see. It's the same with Bop69 and Forthood.

"Hi I'm curious2, I can't deal with opinions that vary from mine."

curious2 says

To understand TOB, rent a 2005 movie called Edmond. Every comment from TOB is accompanied by the URL linking to his obsession, and he hijacks thread after thread into yet another gay thread. Often he posts photos that he claims nobody should see. It's the same with Bop69 and Forthood.

There's also a style of mental purification where in fact, a person sits in presence of all the things which disturb him, until he becomes oblivious to them.

Rin says

There's also a style of mental purification where in fact, a person sits in presence of all the things which disturb him, until he becomes oblivious to them.

...and then he walks away. That isn't TOB's style. TOB keeps coming back to his obsession, towels off when he's done with the day's "beat" fapping, and then returns the next day. The Graduate doesn't say much about a whole generation, but a 2005 movie called Edmond says a lot about TOB.

curious2 says

Rin says

There's also a style of mental purification where in fact, a person sits in presence of all the things which disturb him, until he becomes oblivious to them.

...and then he walks away. That isn't TOB's style. TOB keeps coming back to his obsession, towels off when he's done with the day's "beat" fapping, and then returns the next day.

It takes time.

I'm still angry at those, who advocate a STEM shortage.

Like New Renter, it's a topic which gets me riled up, as I view an interest in science & engineering work, a calling in life, then something which a bunch of academicians and industry leads, take ppl for a ride.

Rin says

I'm still angry....

That showed, in a different thread, where you couldn't answer a simple question. TOB is much angrier though, and it's in every TOB comment in every thread. The difference is obvious.

curious2 says

Rin says

I'm still angry....

That showed, in a different thread, where you couldn't answer a simple question. TOB is much angrier though, and it's in every TOB comment in every thread. The difference is quite obvious

That's because I enjoy bo*nking hoes. It's just that society doesn't agree with me.

Perhaps TOB didn't explore enough, before he turned to his current perspective. And thus, there's more emotional work which needs to be done.

Rin says

TOB didn't explore enough, before he turned to his current perspective. And thus, there's more emotional work which needs to be done.

Yes, in particular he needs more exploration with those older guys who look so attractive to his eyes.

Rin says

Like New Renter, it's a topic which gets me riled up, as I view an interest in science & engineering work, a calling in life, then something which a bunch of academicians and industry leads, take ppl for a ride.

And the best way to cope I've found has been is to spread the truth, at least my perspective of it.

curious2 says

Rin says

TOB didn't explore enough, before he turned to his current perspective. And thus, there's more emotional work which needs to be done.

Yes, in particular he needs more exploration with those older guys who look so attractive to his eyes.

Look, I admire physically fit men, regardless of their age bracket. It's just a sign of respect, the man works out and takes care of himself. I model myself after that.

The issue is more that when a person gets jaded early in life, like the age of 21 (or earlier), and decides to turn against sexuality, because the average woman is incompatible; well, the way I see it is that the body is kinda in a rebellious mode because many young men want sex. Thus, the emotion of anger takes over and so on.

In my case, I'd waited till I was 29 and strangely enough, my interest in relationships, as a way towards sex, diminished over time. Thus, I was confirmed in my natural heterosexuality but my emotional needs were not depended upon it. If I were let's say 21, I couldn't have made that distinction, so clearly and succinctly.

Rin, at this point, I can only ask, if that's how you explain TOB's comments about women and gay people, how do you explain TOB's website link?

Rin says

Hey, us BS artists don't push paper, we push the dream ...

The BS that might fool a greedy mark, who is dreaming about easy riches, doesn't work so well in other contexts.

curious2 says

Rin, at this point, I can only ask, if that's how you explain TOB's comments about women and gay people, how do you explain TOB's website link?

I believe he'd turned off his sexuality at too early of an age, to fully understand himself.

Now, that doesn't imply who/what he is but the act of active suppression, creates issues long term. Thus, he could be fully heterosexual but he'd gone cold turkey, a bit too early, out of an act of vendetta and/or evening the score, instead of some psychological mastery program.

I'd never repressed my sexuality, despite having a lot of dating problems during my early 20s. All of those experiences (and mishaps), helped me in finding out who and what I was. At this point in my life, I really could care less about who/what, ppl want to bo*nk. What I'm a bit miffed at, is that so many ppl keep telling me that I should fall in love and get married, as if that was some mandatory protocol.

Rin you seem to have difficulty answering questions in a way that relates to the actual question. Did you even read TOB's website link? How do you connect both of those terms to sexuality?

Rin says

Hey, us BS artists don't push paper, we push the dream ...

The BS that might fool a greedy mark, who is dreaming about easy riches, doesn't work so well in other contexts.

Rin says

despite having a lot of dating problems during my early 20s.

Elephant in the room.

Rin says

All those experiences (and mishaps), helped me in finding out who and what I was.

Well, that's a miracle. For many others who have had traumatic relationships, we found they made us doubt ourselves and have lots of questions.

Rin says

What I'm a bit miffed at, is that so many ppl keep telling me that I should fall in love and get married, as if that was some mandatory protocol.

I think you misunderstand. I can't speak for your experiences outside of this board, but all I see here are people who are sharing their experiences as a way to show you that your way isn't the only way.... and that devastation and financial ruin isn't the only possible conclusion.

curious2 says

Wow you seem to have difficulty answering questions in a way that relates to the actual question. Did you even read TOB's website link?!? How do you even connect both of those terms to sexuality?

Isn't it obvious, he's against homosexuality and has shown it having a higher acceptance than ongoing discrimination against blacks?

Now draw the parallel ... the person has had his sexuality completely displaced at a young age, out of the fact of his inherent incompatibility to western women, and thus, wants to show a correlation that an increase in acceptance of the gay lifestyle correlates with the decline of meaningful associations with women.

In other words, the reason for the subject. not having his life with a particular companion, female with the right attributes, is a result of the resultant decline of the overall society.

turtledove says

Rin says

despite having a lot of dating problems during my early 20s.

Elephant in the room.

It happens, I'm not alone in failed relationships.

turtledove says

Rin says

All those experiences (and mishaps), helped me in finding out who and what I was.

Well, that's a miracle. For many other who have had traumatic relationships, we found they made us doubt ourselves and have lots of questions.

When they say time heals all wounds, what it means is that over time, you learn to simply get by, with fewer expectations of others.

turtledove says

Rin says

What I'm a bit miffed at, is that so many ppl keep telling me that I should fall in love and get married, as if that was some mandatory protocol.

I think you misunderstand. I can't speak for your experiences outside of this board, but all I see here are people who are sharing their experiences as a way to show you that your way isn't the only way.... and that devastation and financial ruin isn't the only possible conclusion.

But what would you say to my brother-in-law, married to my own flesh and blood sister? And the fact that it's such a large percentage of our population, should really make one take notice that we have a real entropic situation here.

Rin says

Isn't it obvious, he's against homosexuality and has shown it having a higher acceptance than ongoing discrimination against blacks?

No, that isn't even accurate let alone obvious.

The link shows the frequency of two words in news headlines from 2004 through 2014. The word used more commonly in headlines starts with n, and its use has decreased somewhat during the period. The word used less commonly in headlines starts with f, and its use increased somewhat during the period, although it has not yet caught up. The link says nothing about acceptance of either word, let alone the people described by either word.

The only purpose of TOB's link is to put those words into every comment TOB posts on this forum, regardless of context.

curious2 says

The only purpose of TOB's link is to put those words into every comment TOB posts on this forum, regardless of context.

I'm not saying that TOB isn't a troll but I'm trying to get at his motivations in terms of sexuality and society in general.

Rin says

I'm trying to get at his motivations in terms of sexuality and society in general.

Are you really? It doesn't seem that way. It seems more like you've committed to a position, probably before reading the link, and you don't want to walk away from it now.

curious2 says

Rin says

I'm trying to get at his motivations in terms of sexuality and society in general.

Are you really? It doesn't seem that way. It seems more like you've committed to a position, probably before reading the link, and you don't want to walk away from it now.

I've seen the chart, I don't see how that changes the nature of his postings?

A 21 year old man, without training under some adept/master, cannot simply eliminate his sexuality w/o some sort of backlash, internally. Now that years have past, you see the outrage in a more visceral way.

TOB went to war against his Devil Inside (homosexuality) long before 21, more like 12. His obsession with homosexuality in general and older guys in particular started around then, and yes it created visceral outrage that causes him now to troll. Unless a pimply 12yo can afford male esc*rts in Phoenix, your method would not have saved him.

Rin says

But what would you say to my brother-in-law, married to my own flesh and blood sister?

I wasn't going to say this before, but since you brought the issue up specifically, I must. You never betray your flesh and blood. She is your sister. Her husband is nothing to you. I don't care what she does, she is your flesh and blood and you are ALWAYS on her side. Perhaps it's an Italian thing, but I wouldn't betray my brothers over some woman they are married to for anything in the world --- I DON'T CARE WHAT MY BROTHERS DO. They will always have my loyalty first. (That doesn't mean that I wouldn't give my brothers my two cents, but that's done privately.)

curious2 says

TOB went to war against his Devil Inside (sexuality) long before 21, more like 12. His obsession with homosexuality in general and older guys in particular started around then, and yes it created visceral outrage that causes him now to troll. Unless a 12yo can afford male esc*rts, your method would not have saved him.

I can say one thing ... if I'd dropped sexuality at 21, I would have become like TOB, angry about society all of the time.

That's simply too early in life.

Instead, I'd soldiered on, until I'd found some peace, starting at 29, when I'd started focusing on my own development and separating this concept of romantic love (soulmate-itis) from my own bodily needs.

turtledove says

She is your sister. Her husband is nothing to you. I don't care what she does, she is your flesh and blood and you are ALWAYS on her side.

Ok TurtleDove, you'd lost me here. My sister is the most entitled b*tch I'd ever known.

Give me a break, she hadn't worked in 20 years, drinks all the time, and treats everyone like they're her vassals.

All right, you've now exposed yourself. You don't know anything.

Rin says

I would have become like TOB....

Really?!? There are missionaries, nuns, priests, who take vows of celibacy around 21, and some even honor those vows, but most of them don't become racist trolls obsessed with homosexuality. I was finding it difficult to understand why you were making excuses for TOB, but your latest comment does shed a different light on it. I thought you were merely attached to a position, but perhaps I was mistaken.

curious2 says

I was finding it difficult to understand why you were making excuses for TOB, but your latest comment does shed a different light on it.

Of course, you're looking to take me down, just like TurtleDove with my sister.

Soturtledove says

I don't care what she does, she is your flesh and blood and you are ALWAYS on her side

That's right, hurting and eventually killing ppl, is ok with you?

Are you are part of a Mario Puzo novel, here?

Rin says

you're looking to take me down,

No, I'm just trying to understand your comments. It was the same when I tried to ask you a question, why you had switched from one idea to another, and you mistook that as an attack too. Maybe it's the martial arts things, you spend too much time fighting so you see everything as a fighting arena, IDK. You are dogged though, so I'll let you have the last word again rather than wasting more time on you. Just understand, I don't have anything against you personally, I'm not looking to "take [you] down", I was only trying to understand incomprehensible comments that you posted on the Interwebs making excuses for a racist misogynist homophobic closeted troll.

I'm not making excuses for TOB, I just understand clearly, that men get very angry, when they repress their sexuality for years. That's not a great mystery.

Rin says

Ok TurtleDove, you'd lost me here. My sister is the most entitled b*tch I'd ever known.

Give me a break, she hadn't worked in 20 years, drinks all the time, and treats everyone like they're her vassals.

anything.

Doesn't matter. You don't openly side with someone outside the family over someone inside your family. That doesn't mean you have to like your sister. Several years ago, my brother cheated on his wife and they ended up getting divorced. Was I proud of my brother? Did I think he acted in the best interest of his children? That would be a NO to both. I told him as much. But never, under any circumstances, did I say a bad word about him to his ex-wife or side with her over him. He's my brother and he will always be my brother. I don't admire his behavior, but I love him and he has my loyalty before anyone else.

I hear what you are saying, I just object to the very idea that you would discuss your sister to your brother-in-law. Talk to your sister. That's fine. Tell her what you think. That's what a good brother does. Betray her to her husband... Not so much.

Rin says

All right, you've now exposed yourself. You don't know anything.

I know what it means to be loyal to my family. As I've stated above, I put that first.

turtledove says

Talk to your sister.

NO ONE talks to my sister, she's the emperor of the world.

turtledove says

You don't openly side with someone outside the family over someone inside your family.

This is scary. Is it a family run by a don?

curious2 says

Really?!? There are missionaries, nuns, priests, who take vows of celibacy around 21, and some even honor those vows, but most of them don't become racist trolls obsessed with homosexuality.

Well... some honor. Some pursue kids. Some bang each other endlessly.

There's no doubt, however, that Bankster really needs to get on Grindr and get some action. The only other person I met with such a high level of vitriol and fascination for homosexuality was a repressed gay.

According to Freud, we're all a little latent.

turtledove says

Rin says

Ok TurtleDove, you'd lost me here. My sister is the most entitled b*tch I'd ever known.

Give me a break, she hadn't worked in 20 years, drinks all the time, and treats everyone like they're her vassals.

anything.

Doesn't matter. You don't openly side with someone outside the family over someone inside your family.

@ Turtledove.

How has "Rin" betrayed his family? By publicly - but anonymously - airing his sister's personality issues? He has not listed his sister's personal contact information here - she could be anyone of hundreds of thousands of married American women. Do you know exactly who his sister is? Could you even find her Facebook page?

For that matter do you even know who "Rin" is? "Rin" is a pseudonym, presumably not our friend's real name. "Rin" has stated time and time again that this forum is where he comes to vent his frustrations (and maybe, must maybe get some help). That is the purpose of this forum, although it has deviated from its original subject of complaining about the real estate industry.

As to blood vs marriage family loyalty here's a silly question for you:

If your brother needed a kidney and your husband was a perfect match, would hubby end up in a bath of ice and a nasty scar?

New Renter says

If your brother needed a kidney and your husband was a perfect match, would hubby end up in a bath of ice and a nasty scar?

I once had a discussion with my philosophy professor on utilitarianism. He asked what if the greater good means I have to offer one kidney to him. I countered that I could simply choose to be immoral. We both laughed.

nope dont feel 'repressed', curious2 is just some angry person who attacks whomever raises points she doesnt like. As I mentioned these topics tend to get women angry- the subject matter itself unsettles them.

heres a thought experiment

if you really examine the 'ideal', the 'myth' that is inside both men and woman's heads - as in the ideal existence that they are trying to live up to. you will see something different in each.

the woman will see a totally committed man who never leaves or never judges and is always there to PROVIDE.

men have a different myth, they want to 'strike it rich' and have many young beautiful women.

thus we know that the drives of men and women not only are different they dont coincide with each other- they are mutually incompatible. we know therefore that theoretically this 'love' thing is something selfish, contrary to how women want to portray it, as some 'soul mate' nonsense. 'love' is very simply a instinctual function that women attempt to perfume with all sorts of niceties to make it appear as though it's something magnanimous, beautiful, and wonderful. Women will spin unbelievably complex theories and explanations for why it is so wonderful, actually that is the chief function of their brains. Statistically we know this is not in the least bit true, some are foolish enough to believe it's true for some few lucky people, as though we are at a casino and hoping to be that lucky one who hits the jackpot and wins this 'true love' thing that will last for a lifetime- or an eternity? its so far fetched and impossible it's hard to really even think that we believe it at all.

the knowledgeable will determine and eventually accept that the entire thing is an illusion that is preventing us from obtaining the truth, a massive deception that we must use our rational mind to penetrate in order to live fully. It's a conclusion few come to and while it's been consistent historically has never been popular at any moment in history.