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Patrick wants to open a competitive wine bar


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2014 Sep 1, 6:19am   25,389 views  89 comments

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I filled out the Kickstarter.com forms to try to raise $1M to open a small competitive wine bar in San Francisco. See preview link here:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/401808007/1194278105?token=84fcb6b3

Scroll down on that link to see description. Won't really be live until Amazon verifies my bank account, in 5 to 7 days.

A wine bar where patrons test their skill at identifying wine varieties.

Funds will be used to open a small wine bar in San Francisco, in which patrons will be encouraged to taste wine and guess which variety it is on their phone. Score will be kept publicly.

The best wine tasters will gain a reputation. Everyone will have a chance to practice and improve their wine knowledge.

Risks and challenges

At a minimum, the project depends on obtaining a liquor license from the city of San Francisco. This could be difficult.

In addition, appropriate rental space will have to be secured and remodeled.

What do you all think?

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8   curious2   2014 Sep 1, 7:11am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

COMBAT WINEBAR ?

I love it. If you spill red wine on your shirt, tell people it's only blood.

9   mell   2014 Sep 1, 7:13am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Great idea.

But how about a COMBAT WINEBAR ?

If you're wrong, someone gets to challenge you to a steel cage match.

Are Realtors allowed in?

10   curious2   2014 Sep 1, 7:15am  

mell says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Great idea.

But how about a COMBAT WINEBAR ?

If you're wrong, someone gets to challenge you to a steel cage match.

Are Realtors allowed in?

They're what's for dinner. Their wine will be spiked, so they will misidentify it and pass out helplessly.

11   Strategist   2014 Sep 1, 7:19am  

Ceffer says

I'd rather be a hooker taster in Montreal. Rin has poisoned my mind.

I like your idea Ceffer, but only if Rin manages the business. He comes with a lot of talent and experience.
Imagine banging hookers and then guessing their names.

12   SFace   2014 Sep 1, 7:23am  

High fixed cost. Heavy capex and inventory commitment makes this a no go. Just how are u going to secure good inventory at favorable price in high ass rent san Francisco. What's your edge. Competitive advantage, industry expereience, insider knowledge?

There is such a bar, it is located in treasure island in a warehouse type facility.

You can count in the fingers of your hand the actual amount of people that actually care about variety or that type of knowledge. If they do, the wineries come to them.

13   Strategist   2014 Sep 1, 7:25am  

mell says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Great idea.

But how about a COMBAT WINEBAR ?

If you're wrong, someone gets to challenge you to a steel cage match.

Are Realtors allowed in?

Only during "Happy Hours"

14   JH   2014 Sep 1, 7:29am  

Take the $1M and buy a 700sf shack. According to the NAR it will be worth $2M by Christmas.

15   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Sep 1, 7:29am  

Patrick, you should consider reaching out to up and coming wineries and invite them to hold wine tasting contests, etc. at your bar.

It might net you some free inventory.

16   MAGA   2014 Sep 1, 7:41am  

The last time I was down at Fort Ord (Monterey), the PX was selling bottles of Fort Ord wine.

17   Ceffer   2014 Sep 1, 7:57am  

How about a puking wine bar, where the patrons get drunk and puke on each other.

Puke combat.

The guy who can identify the wine from the puke stains, wins. The one with most spungy, grapey, oakey puke has an honorable mention.

Blue ribbons for the longest stream of puke, puke targeting, chunkiness, stringiness, etc.

18   Strategist   2014 Sep 1, 8:04am  

thunderlips11 says

Patrick, you should consider reaching out to up and coming wineries and invite them to hold wine tasting contests, etc. at your bar.

It might net you some free inventory.

Nice idea.

JH says

Take the $1M and buy a 700sf shack. According to the NAR it will be worth $2M by Christmas.

Better Idea.

Ceffer says

I'd rather be a hooker taster in Montreal. Rin has poisoned my mind.

Best idea.

19   Strategist   2014 Sep 1, 8:08am  

How about a name? We will need a name.
We could even have our own brand of wines...."Patnet Cabernet" sounds delicious.

20   marcus   2014 Sep 1, 8:25am  

I like it.

If it works, open one in LA too. I'd be happy to get involved.

21   New Renter   2014 Sep 1, 8:32am  

Last month BevMo had an 80% off sale. Would have been a good time to stock up.

Of course you can also buy a large volume of Bronco wines and relabel them with fancy (and expensive) labels. I'd bet 95% of your clientelle wouldn't know the difference.

22   JH   2014 Sep 1, 8:41am  

Strategist says

How about a name? We will need a name.

We could even have our own brand of wines...."Patnet Cabernet" sounds delicious.

Would he pull a colbert and call it pat-nay caber-nay? Have I been mispronouncimg patnet all this time?

23   Ceffer   2014 Sep 1, 8:44am  

Strategist says

How about a name? We will need a name.

We could even have our own brand of wines...."Patnet Cabernet" sounds delicious.

Patnet Zombie Apocalypse Wine Tasting. Smells like Victory!

24   Shaman   2014 Sep 1, 8:59am  

Could you order your wine with a side of FACE?!

25   Ceffer   2014 Sep 1, 9:15am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

FACE!

It's what's for dinner.

Would that be white, or RED!

26   Patrick   2014 Sep 1, 9:32am  

thunderlips11 says

Patrick, you should consider reaching out to up and coming wineries and invite them to hold wine tasting contests, etc. at your bar.

It might net you some free inventory.

Definitely! Was already part of my secret plan. When people are guessing what they're drinking, the moment of revelation is a high-value advertising opp for wineries. As long as it's good stuff, this is what I want to do.

Strategist says

How about a name? We will need a name.

I'm thinking "Divine Wine Bar". Lots of reasons for that. To "divine" is to guess, wine is divine, and it has vine in it, and it's kind of fruity, which might sell well in SF.

curious2 says

starting a wine bar might actually undercut the app idea.

Perhaps. I've considered that the app could be far more valuable than the bar, but life is short, and I want to own a wine bar. And be the bartender now and then.

27   rooemoore   2014 Sep 1, 9:48am  

The same idea but with beer instead of wine. Right now the number of excellent small breweries in the US is huge. The beer could be paired with cheese (which tastes better with beer than wine.) Also, you could serve grilled cheese sandwiches which don't require a building with restaurant ventilation.

As for the app and the competition, I think it would be still be fun and a lot more accessible for most folks.

Of course, you probably love wine and not beer, so nevermind.

Edit: "Fantasy Draft Club"

28   Patrick   2014 Sep 1, 9:54am  

I like beer, but I love wine.

I hope someone else does the beer thing. Maybe we can cooperate on the app.

Planning to have very little (but very good) food, just cheeses, olives, bread, some cured meats. No real cooking, so not much of a kitchen.

29   Strategist   2014 Sep 1, 9:59am  

Here is the million dollar question that has caused countless battles and destruction on Patnet.......Do we buy, or do we rent a place?

30   Patrick   2014 Sep 1, 10:10am  

almost certainly rent. at least at first.

just looking for a tiny place which can be fixed up to look elegant enough.

31   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 10:14am  

humorous cat picture

32   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 10:15am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

FACE!

It's what's for dinner.

smoked and cured face with rosemary and a side of Chianti

33   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 10:17am  

Ceffer says

if Patrick got hookers at this place it would be a big hit Im sure. Aging Californian office workers pretending to be rich- not so much. If he got tranny hookers it would be huge with the middle-calss white set, just dont tell anyone they have penises.

34   New Renter   2014 Sep 1, 10:20am  

The Original Bankster says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

FACE!

It's what's for dinner.

smoked and cured face with rosemary and a side of Chianti

Don't forget the fava beans.

The Original Bankster says

If he got tranny hookers it would be huge with the middle-calss white set, just dont tell anyone they have penises.

Remember, Patrick s talking about setting up shop in SF.

35   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 10:20am  

also: I want to open a place like this http://www.youtube.com/embed/gxEPV4kolz0

36   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 10:29am  

New Renter says

Remember, Patrick s talking about setting up shop in SF.

i swear if he combined wine tasting with shemale tasting it would be huge. all you need to do is convince the yuppies that it's 'elite' and 'distinctive'. Modern Endocrinology is doing amazing things these days.

37   Shaman   2014 Sep 1, 10:37am  

It would be very high class if the prosciutto was FACE and the cheese was fermented Cambodian breast milk.

38   Strategist   2014 Sep 1, 10:39am  

We could make it a topless bar. Keep your hands to yourself, Rin.
Apocalypse can be in charge of security and park his tank out in the front.
We would need a banker.....Apocalypse, can you wait until we get a loan before you rip off his arms?
Ceffer, can you make sure Apocalypse does not get carried away.
Here's a sign we can use at the cash register " In God we trust, all others pay cash"
What about a logo?

40   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 10:46am  

Strategist says

We could make it a topless bar. Keep your hands to yourself, Rin.

its a formula that was worked for millenia. Cold Refreshing drinks and topless girls. Can't beat that monetization model.

41   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 11:07am  

every notice something?

Jerky - cheap tacky low class food

Bresaola - uber awesome epicurian treat

basically its the same shit, different name. You can get some really good jerky in AZ if you know where to get it.

42   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 11:09am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

You have to admit the steel cage angle is compelling.

why beat around the bush?

there's only one way youre gonna get ppl into that bar

43   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 11:11am  

its been proven that even 'straight' women like to watch strippers.

strippers can improve your health, theyre all-natural, helps the economy, and you're *buying local*.

seriously tell me one bad thing about strippers. you can't. it's all lies and propaganda from nasty old women.

44   Strategist   2014 Sep 1, 11:16am  

The Original Bankster says

seriously tell me one bad thing about strippers. you can't.

You can't touch them.

45   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 11:17am  

Strategist says

The Original Bankster says

seriously tell me one bad thing about strippers. you can't.

You can't touch them.

those are HOOKERS. different story altogether.

46   Strategist   2014 Sep 1, 11:21am  

The Original Bankster says

Strategist says

The Original Bankster says

seriously tell me one bad thing about strippers. you can't.

You can't touch them.

those are HOOKERS. different story altogether.

So you can touch strippers, or you can't? I'm confused.

47   The Original Bankster   2014 Sep 1, 11:24am  

Strategist says

So you can touch strippers, or you can't? I'm confused.

you can try, but then you have to contend with this guy:

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