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116181   GNL   2022 May 14, 7:19am  

richwicks says
You have no idea what it's like. For me it was torture, but from another point of view it's paradise.

Why was it torture? For about 6 years my father was a logger in Michigan. We lived way far out. Some of the best years of my life. The best memory for me was walking through the forest with dad on Xmas Eve looking for a Xmas tree. He finally decided to cut off the top of a, what seemed like to me at the time, 100 foot tall pine tree and use that. He dragged that tree back all by himself. He was a mountain man for sure. Good times, good times.
116182   richwicks   2022 May 14, 7:20am  

WineHorror1 says

I'm not against limiting world human population. It's the "How to do it" that scares me.


Simple, as we enter modernity children become a liability instead of an asset. As life gets more comfortable, people have less children. We see this all through the developed world. China is experiencing it now. They didn't need their stupid 1 child policy.

You see this in droves in Japan, Japanese might go extinct within the next 200 years.

In China, abortion is now illegal except for the health of the mother. They are trying to reverse the trend.
116183   GNL   2022 May 14, 7:20am  

richwicks says
The island had rats introduced to the island, they wiped out the Dodo, because their eggs were easy to get to.

Did those rats get there with the help of man perhaps?
116184   richwicks   2022 May 14, 7:26am  

WineHorror1 says
Why was it torture?


BORING. It was boring to live there. Nature is great, but you get your fill after 18 years of it. Small towns are a torture in their own, there's no anonymity. Rumors are a constant thing, everybody in town knew X was having an affair, except the spouse.

We went out for Christmas trees too, slogging through the snow.

The torture for me was primarily lack of educational resources and data. I'm built to be an engineer. The first thing I did when I got my license to drive, was go to Watertown and visit the library. It was just frustrating. It wouldn't be bad today. Internet has entirely replaced the need for a library to get access to technical information.

I can see why my parents liked it, but as a kid back in the 1970s, it was just frustrating constantly.
116185   GNL   2022 May 14, 7:57am  

So, you didn't go fishing, tobogganing, climb to the tops of trees, go shooting, swim in creeks, explore, grow a garden, build things (you're an engineer. You could have owned your town at some point maybe), ride horses, ride mini bikes, skip rocks, throw rocks to improve motor skills? I could go on and on. I've never felt as free as I did back then. I imagine it's also because I was young with 0 responsibilities.
116186   RWSGFY   2022 May 14, 8:22am  

gabbar says

In the last few years, my hometown has killed more than 10k deer so far. We suck.


If there is no wolves the population of deer is probably way above normal anyway. Yellowstone is a good example of how many deer would be in the area with and without wolves.
116187   richwicks   2022 May 14, 8:38am  

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says
The island had rats introduced to the island, they wiped out the Dodo, because their eggs were easy to get to.

Did those rats get there with the help of man perhaps?


Of course. What's your solution? Quarantine every geographical area for all of time? That's what you'd have to do.

In the Galapagos Islands, goats were released onto the Island, and were out competing the local fauna. You know how that was dealt with? They were purposely hunted to extinction. They did this on Isabela Island.

Man is not somehow divorced from nature. We're part of it. A dam is no more artificial than a beaver dam is.

Something people are unaware of today is that nature is not your friend. Everything is trying to kill you. Nature wants EVERYTHING dead.
116188   FarmersWon   2022 May 14, 6:02pm  

I guess CIA will have a big blackmail bomb soon to make all Hindooo cult suck on beef Hot Dog.
Love the way west is playing Hindooo like a fiddle.

https://twitter.com/Sukhminder_Gill/status/1524540277058576384
My simple question to @BJP4India
. Despite dozens of anti India FIRs against so called Khalistani leader Gurpatwant Singh Pannu of SFJ, why Indian Govt is not seeking his extradition from USA? How Indian Telecom dept allow broadcast of his mobile messages on Khalistan in India?
116189   fdhfoiehfeoi   2022 May 14, 7:28pm  

Just a reminder, there is NO energy crisis. All part of the 2030 agenda to bring the US down to 3rd world standards.
116190   mell   2022 May 14, 7:30pm  

NuttBoxer says

Just a reminder, there is NO energy crisis. All part of the 2030 agenda to bring the US down to 3rd world standards.


Agreed
116191   richwicks   2022 May 15, 3:05am  


original link


That is Richard Dawkins discussing the intellectual fraud of Luce Irigaray who was a French "intellectual" - really an intellectual fraud that claimed Newton's Principia was a "Rape Manual", because she was too uneducated to understand that chaos theory is fucking impossible to model currently, and may be impossible to model, period. Chaos theory can only be modeled (currently) by chaos, we can't predict the movement of fluids in a mathematical model, small perturbations in air or water cause major effects which are unpredictable, maybe due to Brownian Motion - the point is, we can't predict it. This is why meteorologists suck at their job and you're better off with the Farmer's Almanac - and YOU REALLY ARE.

Luce Irigaray is a fucking intellectual fraud, scammer, conwoman, and is wealthy and famous. There's a lot of money to be made in saying something false. Science is hard not because "science is hard", it's just a lot easier to lie. Proving something is almost certainly true (because in science, we don't prove ANYTHING is true, instead we prove what is false and what is left over is LIKELY to be correct) is a LOT more difficult than just lying.

My point is be cautious with trust of "intellectual authorities". Sometimes they are just liars, sometimes, they are legitimately insane. Often you're just viewing a clown show.
116192   richwicks   2022 May 15, 3:47am  

DooDahMan says

richwicks says
Small towns are a torture in their own, there's no anonymity. Rumors are a constant thing, everybody in town knew X was having an affair, except the spouse.


Did you grow up in the same town I did ?


Haha, every small town is like this.

I imagine this must be similar among the supposed "elite". That's a small group as well. I think this really is the structure, and as a result, I don't want to climb up too far. I want to be ANONYMOUS and wealthy, not famous. I don't want to join that group.

It's funny, I understand the appeal of the small town lifestyle now, but I hated it as a kid. I understand the liberal and conservative's thinking too. Small towns are an enclave of "leave me alone" and cities are an enclave of "why doesn't the government fix this shit?" I like the independence of small backwaters, but I hate the lack of privacy and anonymity.
116193   richwicks   2022 May 15, 3:59am  

DooDahMan says
richwicks says
I doubt it.


Don't.

Try as we might with all of our creations we will never conquer or control nature - we will however continue to be conquered and controlled by nature until we are no more and the planet tries to heal itself from our existence


We are no more damaging to this planet, than rats and insects are. Yes, we do change our environment - every living thing does. Plants drastically changed our environment, ejecting a pollutant called "oxygen". It allows us to live.

Don't hate yourself for being an animal.

We are the best stewards of the planet. Ever had a pet? Were you kind and loving to it, did you give it a good life? Did you enjoy joy through it's joy? Vicarious happiness?

What other animal is capable and willing to do that? We're stepping up, slowly to be certain, but we're not evil - we just are, and I think, generally, we're good. We will damage ourselves to help other people and even creatures. You experience all this pain and doubt, you think perhaps "we are destroying the planet", we're not - but we may be changing it. Is it really so bad that we remake the world into a garden, into a park?

Heaven is a concept that is well established in every culture. Do you really object the attempt to make it on this planet? Humanity has kindness and empathy that transcends our species, and sometimes we have pets and animals and we give them such a comfortable life, they can transcend it too. Is this evil? We aren't evil, some of us are, but I'm fully convinced that our basic morality is good. We are improving as a species, not just technologically, but morally.

2000 years ago, slavery was a step up - instead of wiping out the conquered men, and taking their women as wives, we simply made them servants. Now, even that is frowned upon. We are constantly morally improving.

There's a few nutcases that think they can be overlords, we'll overthrow them in time. I'm not worried about that. They are sociopathic throwbacks - primitives. The herd marches forward. I think in time the destiny for not only humanity, but the world, is a real garden of Eden.

Our fundamental nature is improving, and by "our" I mean every living thing. We will reach a state of complete symbiosis in time, and if a comet doesn't hit us, or a nuclear war isn't waged by the maniacs, we will reach a state of complete symbiosis. That's what we are clearly moving toward.

Our "nature" is changing, and it's changing for the better. In 2,000 years you and I will be seen as ruthless barbarians. Just think, could you accept seeing people nailed to a cross and left to die through thirst over 3 days? That was crucifixion. What culture would accept this today? We are improving. We're flawed but we are improving.

At times there seems to be a real war between "good" and "evil" - it's pretty obvious to me which side will win. We're not fundamentally evil, only evil people are, and unfortunately since they ignore all sorts of social contracts, they seem to be in charge. They aren't.
116194   GNL   2022 May 15, 5:35am  

richwicks says
Something people are unaware of today is that nature is not your friend. Everything is trying to kill you. Nature wants EVERYTHING dead.

Hyperbolic. Humans have no checks and balances on our population. It is hard to argue that, given enough time, we will not strip the planet bare.
116195   richwicks   2022 May 15, 6:48am  

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says
Something people are unaware of today is that nature is not your friend. Everything is trying to kill you. Nature wants EVERYTHING dead.

Hyperbolic. Humans have no checks and balances on our population. It is hard to argue that, given enough time, we will not strip the planet bare.


We absolutely have checks and balances on our population.

Do you know where 99% of our fertilizer comes from? Ammonium nitrate, it's made from natural gas. Fritz Haber along with Carl Bosch invented this process.

Haber also invented Zyklon-B - it was an cyanide herbicide. It is what was claimed to exterminate people in the holocaust. He was Jewish.

More than 70% of the world is ocean, and it's deadly to us. We'll reach equilibrium in time.

You and I are divorced from it, but existence is a struggle. We enjoy astonishingly easy times.
116196   clambo   2022 May 15, 8:38am  

The reason to buy a house for guys is 1. Girls like it 2. To have control over our living 3. To have a place to store our shit (kayak, bike, surfboard, etc.)

I can attest that having my own apartment was okay but girls always asked me if I was going to buy something.

I got more chicks when I had a big place which they thought I owned.

They think you are successful if you are an owner.

Women like houses and money, men like pussy, so we have to get the money or we’re out of luck.
116197   Ceffer   2022 May 15, 8:42am  

It's hard to be a man who owns a nice home that is ultimately chick-less. They latch on, fuck you for a bit, then move in and re-arrange everything and start bossing you around. They're good at it.
116198   Tenpoundbass   2022 May 15, 9:21am  

If I ever were to build a home from scratch, the last thing I would do, is go in with a "You must meet or beat deadlines at any means necessary. "

So many people having their home built, would support the Contractor going to Home Depot and grabbing any random dude in the parking lot with a "Wil work for food" sign.
If their capable contractor couldn't make a scheduled date. I would not place provisions in the contract that punishes the GC over missed deadlines as long as he was acting in good faith.

Back when Weston, well everything west of 441 down her in South Florida was being built. I was doing the flooring in those townhouses and McMansions. Time and time again, the homeowner would be unhappy with something or everything. You could tell the ones that put the Contractor under the most duress to get it done by any means necessary.
Those houses, had sagging slab, leaking window sills, creaking steps, and second floor substrate. Big globs of stucco or cement in the front yard, along the bottom of the wall.
116199   Tenpoundbass   2022 May 15, 9:25am  

Time is a man made construct, it has no state or particles.
Saying you can time travel is like saying you could Joy travel. It makes no sense at all.
It makes for some great mental exercises in math though. We often confuse mathematical coincidences for settled Science.
116200   Tenpoundbass   2022 May 15, 9:28am  

DooDahMan says
Although humans can't hop into a time machine and go back in time, we do know that clocks on airplanes and satellites travel at a different speed than those on Earth.



That does not mean time is traveling slower, it only means what ever time keeping mechanism being used in space, is slower than on Earth.
116201   Tenpoundbass   2022 May 15, 9:32am  

Time is sloppy math, if a system like it was used for counting money, it would piss a lot of people off.

"Every 4th dollar you lose a penny, certain months your dollar is worth 31 cents, while other months its worth 27 cents. "
116202   WookieMan   2022 May 15, 9:59am  

Lol... don't build if you don't know what you're doing and can be there daily. I've been on site for hundreds of builds from condos, houses and commercial. The amount of fucking around and not working is staggering if you're not watching. It's the same in almost all physical labor industries. Most of the guys were out at the bar last night fucking around until midnight.

Always overbuild. Not size wise, but utility wise. Pipe in behind the walls what you think you "might" need. Electric, gas, HVAC and plumbing are going to be your biggest regrets once you use the space. Size down on bedrooms. No one needs a 20x20 master. Master baths need to be nice. You generally shower, shit and pee every day, make it nice. Back to the bedroom, keep it small(ish), save money and get a nice mattress. Master bedrooms are the biggest waste in a house, you're fucking or sleeping.

I'll start the thread over the summer, but it's going down. We'll be building. I have more experience than most in the realm though and know good builders and have the time to be up their ass if they're fucking around. This will be custom too, so more headaches, but your time is probably the biggest factor in building. Ours will be 3 blocks away, can walk over any time and I'll be doing some of the trades I know how to do to cut costs.

My old man was a complete ass hole, but I've helped build two of our family houses. I could honestly do it all, but I'm sticking with the things I enjoy. Low voltage stuff, pool equipment, electric (placement more than anything), home theater and jam room. I'll communicate with the builder, but I'll be tinkering around most nights adding my own shit to the house until 2am. I 100% will not paint or do plumbing. I can, but fuck that.

Don't know, might start the thread sooner. We already have a list going. Whether you've built or not, still good to get feedback on wants and needs.
116203   richwicks   2022 May 15, 10:20am  

Have you ever considered YOU are part of a cult?
116204   FarmersWon   2022 May 15, 10:24am  

richwicks says

Have you ever considered YOU are part of a cult?


Yes, Humanity is my cult.
Khalsa Raj and democracy for all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Karega_Khalsa
116205   richwicks   2022 May 15, 11:16am  

FarmersWon says
richwicks says

Have you ever considered YOU are part of a cult?


Yes, Humanity is my cult.


Not when it comes to Hindooooooooos.

I just regard you as a bigot, and I think I'm correct in that viewpoint. I think you're a supremacist. I don't think you view people as equals. I view you as something that perhaps my great great great grandfather would be - of course, he was far more ignorant than I was, didn't have the access to information and interaction I do, or you do - but you still persist in this bullshit.

People can certainly be misinformed, propagandized, programmed, made to hate. You are an example of that to me. Education and finding common ground fixes this in my (perhaps naive) opinion. You make no attempt to educate, you only seek to indoctrinate. You're a poisonous, distasteful, hateful person to me. That's all you've demonstrated to me for years.

And I know good people who are Sikhs. My vet was a good person. He saved my dog's life once - well extended it. No life is saved, but I'm grateful to him just the same. I don't think he was like you. He wasn't a bigot as far as I know.
116206   FarmersWon   2022 May 15, 12:30pm  

richwicks says
I just regard you as a bigot, and I think I'm correct in that viewpoint. I think you're a supremacist. I don't think you view people as equals. I view you as something that perhaps my great great great grandfather would be - of course, he was far more ignorant than I was, didn't have the access to information and interaction I do, or you do - but you still persist in this bullshit.


You need to put more thought to process.
Hindooo has enslaved Bhartis and Sikhs are only scope to free them based on current status.

Fighting a supremacist Nazi cult for democracy has nothing to do with supremacy.
Your logic is backwards totally flawed.
It will be shame if Sikhs stop screaming against the plight of oppressed.

May be you need some education on subject:
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532
116207   FarmersWon   2022 May 15, 12:32pm  

https://scroll.in/article/967964/hindutva-groups-in-the-us-are-calling-out-anti-black-racism-but-their-support-rings-hollow
Question: “How do you plan to treat the Mohammedans?”

Savarkar: “As a minority, in the position of your Negroes.”

Question: “And if the Mohammedans succeed in seceding and set up their own country?”

Savarkar: “As in your country…There will be civil war.”

– 1944 Interview with VD Savarkar by war correspondent Tom Treanor
116208   FarmersWon   2022 May 15, 12:35pm  

This pyramid itself tells who is supremacist and It is not Sikhs.
Sikhs are fighting for equality of all.

It is competing vision and I am on side of Sikhs and equality.
You can chose discrimination, caste system and $1 a day demeaning median wage and to hide criminality blame and massacre the minorities.



116209   FarmersWon   2022 May 15, 12:41pm  

Also if you have love affair with Wahabi muslim cult, You should prepare to oppress others too.
What I have said is 100% correct and nobody can deny it.
Supremacy hater Sikhs will oppose it.


116210   richwicks   2022 May 15, 1:30pm  

FarmersWon says

You need to put more thought to process.
Hindooo has enslaved Bhartis and Sikhs are only scope to free them based on current status.


People who are enslaved allow themselves to be slaves.

Just like my country. No different.
116211   FarmersWon   2022 May 15, 1:42pm  

richwicks says
People who are enslaved allow themselves to be slaves.

Just like my country. No different.


Throughout history Freedom fighters have always fought against invaders/oppressors.
Cossack are fighting against Russian invaders .

Sikhs are foremost freedom fighting force and have millions of martyrs for freedom.
I am sorry to say but statement below is nonsensical... There is no bigotry in fighting for freedom and human rights.
Nazis should be insulted as much as one can safely do....and may be at some point sacrifice more if need be.

richwicks says
I just regard you as a bigot, and I think I'm correct in that viewpoint. I think you're a supremacist. I don't think you view people as equals. I view you as something that perhaps my great great great grandfather would be - of course, he was far more ignorant than I was, didn't have the access to information and interaction I do, or you do - but you still persist in this bullshit.
116212   HeadSet   2022 May 15, 1:57pm  

Even if you could go back, nothing stays put. Stepping through a portal to take you back 24 hours would put you in deep space, where the Earth was positioned a day ago.
116213   HeadSet   2022 May 15, 2:11pm  

WookieMan says
plumbing

Are you doing plex, copper or plastic weld supply pipes? In my next house, I want to try just having cold water supply pipes, with a flash heater at every hot water tap. That way no waiting for hot water and the wasted water down the drain.
116214   Tenpoundbass   2022 May 15, 2:16pm  

WookieMan says
home theater and jam room.


Do yourself a favor and run TRS audio cable in the walls, and put XLR/1/4 TRS jacks on wall plates. Also consider where your mixer/amp would be situated and run speaker cables and the other end of the Audio signals from the wall plates. Not having cords all over the floor is much more inviting than having a rats nest of damaged audio cables under feet.
116215   Booger   2022 May 15, 2:18pm  

Tenpoundbass says
Those houses, had sagging slab


On my list of reasons not to have a slab house.
116216   WookieMan   2022 May 15, 5:38pm  

HeadSet says
I want to try just having cold water supply pipes, with a flash heater at every hot water tap. That way no waiting for hot water and the wasted water down the drain.

That makes sense. Plus multiple showers at the same time doesn't move the needle on getting scolding hot water if someone flushes a toilet. Note taken. Thanks. Thought of it, but there's a lot of shit that goes into a house that even handy people don't get it or forget it. I forgot that idea.

We're not building a McMansion, so money to some extent doesn't matter. 2,200SF ranch roughly with full finished basement. The land is basically free outside of sewer and water connections. Property taxes will suck dick, but whatever. 1-2 less vacations a year. Wife is not happy with the current home. Sometimes you tuck it and you can still fuck it.

I also want a shit ton of things too. So I'm getting what I want too. Living in shitty IL gives us the ability to spend on stupid shit, but it's what I want. Fuck it, I'm starting the thread now. And don't piss me off, I'm not putting in electric for crypto mining....
116218   Tenpoundbass   2022 May 15, 7:02pm  

DooDahMan says
Deer will self manage thru disease and starvation. Nature has a way of balancing things out


and humans will self manage thru disease and starvation. Darwin always gets his quarry.
116219   FarmersWon   2022 May 15, 8:18pm  

More trolling of Hindooo.
I really don't know the end game of SFJ, But Hindooo may see its criminal funding utilized against itself.
They may want to turn off the tap at some point to start genocide.. but water is already flowing under the bridge.
Hindooo should be brought to Nuremberg like trials.

https://twitter.com/DalKhalsaUK/status/1525851009754464258
Khalistan Referendum Italy 🇮🇹 second voting centre Novellara @SikhPA
116220   RWSGFY   2022 May 15, 8:27pm  

DooDahMan says

RWSGFY says
f there is no wolves the population of deer is probably way above normal anyway


Lack of predators in the region came about because ?

Could it be that some sheep and cattle farmers blew their losses to the same predators way out of proportion to reality ?


Duh, is that news?

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