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Recent large Jama study on alcohol/wine


               
2026 Jan 19, 10:16am   395 views  32 comments

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"Wine preference and drinking only during meals were associated with lower all-cause mortality only in participants with health-related risk factors (wine preference: HR, 0.92; 95% CI, 0.87-0.97; drinking only during meals: HR, 0.93; 95% CI, 0.89-0.97), as well as in participants with socioeconomic risk factors (wine preference: HR, 0.84; 95% CI, 0.78-0.90; drinking only during meals: HR, 0.83; 95% CI, 0.78-0.89) (Table 3). Drinking only during meals was also associated with lower cancer mortality in participants with health-related risk factors (HR, 0.92; 95% CI, 0.86-0.99) or socioeconomic risk factors (HR, 0.85; 95% CI, 0.78-0.94) (Table 3). Furthermore, in individuals with socioeconomic risk factors, wine preference was associated with lower cancer mortality (HR, 0.89; 95% CI, 0.80-0.99) and drinking only during meals with lower CVD mortality (HR, 0.86; 95% CI, 0.75-1.00) (Table 3). Adhering to both drinking patterns was associated with lower all-cause, cancer, and CVD mortality in drinkers with health-related or socioeconomic risk factors, and to a lesser extent, with lower all-cause death in drinkers without health-related risk factors (eTable 2 in Supplement 1). Importantly, wine preference and drinking during meals modified the association of mean alcohol intake with mortality: the excess risk of all-cause, cancer, and CVD death for high-risk drinkers, of all-cause and cancer death for moderate-risk drinkers, and of cancer death for low-risk drinkers vs occasional drinkers was attenuated and even lost among individuals with these drinking patterns (Table 4). Analyses excluding participants with prevalent cancer at baseline for cancer mortality, or those with prevalent CVD at baseline for CVD mortality showed consistent results (eTables 3-6 in Supplement 1)."

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1   mell   2026 Jan 19, 10:17am  

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2822215

They're trying to bury the positive results in the conclusion, but it's no working and been picked up by several outlets.
2   Ceffer   2026 Jan 19, 10:26am  

Gee, I wonder who financed this 'study'? They are pumped into the infosphere on a regular basis. Did it ever occur that people should seek positive health benefits from substances that are not addictive or from studies not financed by the industries and sales collectives that profit from the addictions?

"Heroin prevents cancer and Alzheimer's! Long term studies from the same journals that brought you Covid! Special unbiased reports! We guarantee that our data mining is free of all prejudice! Enjoy your heroin!"
3   mell   2026 Jan 19, 10:33am  

Sola dosis facet venenum is true for 80% of substances. Alcohol consumption has declined rapidly in the US, there is no widespread problem (if you exclude AWFLs) as opposed to fentanyl and other hard ultra-addctive drugs. People drinking moderately should expect no worse health outcomes, if at all slightly better. That's all. We all know excessive alcohol consumption is bad for ones health, potentially fatal (so is excessive Turmeric consumption, one of the best natural anti-inflammatory condiments).
4   Ceffer   2026 Jan 19, 10:42am  

Drink whatever you want. Slosh 'em down in front of your kids at dinner. Just drop the pretense that it has anything to do with 'good health'. Promoting your own habits as 'good health' for the industries and their propagandas is free advertising for them.

I can't count the times people have offered me dope, drink, or cigarettes in the past dozens of years. Users like company and like justification. The vendors are happy to provide the mythologies, even wearing the white coats and stethescopes. Whore doctors and fake scientists are a dime a dozen these days.
5   mell   2026 Jan 19, 11:01am  

Ceffer says


Drink whatever you want. Slosh 'em down in front of your kids at dinner. Just drop the pretense that it has anything to do with 'good health'. Promoting your own habits as 'good health' for the industries and their propagandas is free advertising for them.

I can't count the times people have offered me dope, drink, or cigarettes in the past dozens of years. Users like company and like justification. The vendors are happy to provide the mythologies, even wearing the white coats and stethescopes. Whore doctors and fake scientists are a dime a dozen these days.

I agree with this in the sense that I never pressure anybody to drink, and defend them when others do, but that goes for everything, eating meat (love meat but have zero problems with vegetarians or vegans). Herd mentality is never good. I do object when helpful substances are banned for the lowest common denominator.

Heroin was a great cough suppressant in low doses, then banned, mostly replaced with codeine, another great, of not.better one, which was pulled again in many countries because some abused it. Nowadays if you have a bad cold and want a good night sleep there is no good cough suppressant, standard antihistamines or anticholinergis which have maybe 20% of effectiveness of codeine.

So you come full circle and either liquor yourself up with schnapps or Nyquil which enhances the antihistamines with alcohol.
6   Ceffer   2026 Jan 19, 11:17am  

I don't care who vapes, snorts, smokes, tokes, drinks etc. Do all you want, up to the point that the baleful forces of society or your own compromised health sort you out in one way or another. People who drink/use to excess can usually be avoided, if they don't run you over in a car. Walk around in a brain shrinking haze. Drop the dishes while cleaning the kitchen.

JUST CUT THE CRAP THAT IT IS GOOD FOR HEALTH.

It just feels good and you want to do it in spite of. Fake studies from the vendors reassure you that your use has nothing but benefits and no downsides. It works because these stupid fake studies keep getting promulgated. They profit from your wishful thinking about the stuff.

I just wish ONCE somebody would say "I read this fake study, and it's all bullshit, but I am still going to do what I want to do because it feels good and I am habituated. I will live with the consequences and know that they publish bullshit to massage my need."
7   Patrick   2026 Jan 19, 11:18am  

I poisoned myself with turmeric and pepper for a couple of months a few years ago, sprinkling that on food at most meals.

Was giving me headaches, malaise, and swollen feet.

When I stopped, the problems went away.

I’m pretty sure it was a kind of liver damage.
8   mell   2026 Jan 19, 12:28pm  

Ceffer says


I just wish ONCE somebody would say "I read this fake study, and it's all bullshit, but I am still going to do what I want to do because it feels good and I am habituated. I will live with the consequences and know that they publish bullshit to massage my need."

The mainstream has heavily turned onto Alcohol though, after turning on cigarettes. I don't smoke, but would love to see a study for people smoking 1-2 cigarettes (natural such as American spirit) a day vs non-smokers and compare longevity/all-cause mortality. If it's so clear cut, why has nobody done it yet? I do know that there are multiple beneficial components in red wine (as well as in other types of spirits) and do not believe based on those facts that light/moderate drinking is bad.

Patrick says


I poisoned myself with turmeric and pepper for a couple of months a few years ago, sprinkling that on food at most meals.

Was giving me headaches, malaise, and swollen feet.

When I stopped, the problems went away.

I’m pretty sure it was a kind of liver damage.

It's pretty potent. Btw. I started the nightly baby aspirin regimen based on new findings I read about. Interestingly the various benefits do not seem to appear on dosages significantly above 81mg, something to do with activating cox1 and 2 pathways vs cox1 only on the low dose.
9   Blue   2026 Jan 19, 1:00pm  

Patrick says

I poisoned myself with turmeric and pepper for a couple of months a few years ago, sprinkling that on food at most meals.

Was giving me headaches, malaise, and swollen feet.

When I stopped, the problems went away.

Glad that you recognized and stopped it.
Generally, turmeric is used very sparingly in cooking and is not included in all dishes. A recommended limit is about 1 gram per person per serving, and it shouldn't be consumed daily in my experience.
10   socal2   2026 Jan 19, 1:12pm  

I've been taking Turmeric capsules for a couple years now and have had no adverse problems. My lower back and knees have been feeling great with less inflamation and also hope it is helping keep any cancer at bay with my family's history. I was unaware there were any negative health effects other than nausea if you take too much on an empty stomach.
11   mell   2026 Jan 19, 1:22pm  

socal2 says


I've been taking Turmeric capsules for a couple years now and have had no adverse problems. My lower back and knees have been feeling great with less inflamation and also hope it is helping keep any cancer at bay with my family's history. I was unaware there were any negative health effects other than nausea if you take too much on an empty stomach.

If you take supplements as directed you most likely will never encounter side effects. But there are always people who are sensitive or whose liver cannot break it down, and those who simply take way too much. It's an amazing supplement which you can also cook with. Also look up low dose (baby aspirin) suplementation for significant anti-cancer effects, aside from general anti-inflammatory and heart benefits: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08626-7
12   goofus   2026 Jan 19, 4:59pm  

Patrick says


I poisoned myself with turmeric and pepper for a couple of months a few years ago, sprinkling that on food at most meals.

Was giving me headaches, malaise, and swollen feet.

When I stopped, the problems went away.

I’m pretty sure it was a kind of liver damage.


There have been quite a few reports on adulterated turmeric lately. The mix includes lead chromate, which is also bright yellow, and highly neurotoxic. I hope this wasn’t the case for you.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969724051532

Evidence of turmeric adulteration with lead chromate across South Asia

Highlights
•Pb and Cr concentrations of turmeric across South Asia
•Pb:Cr molar ratio indicates PbCrO4 adulteration versus environmental contamination
•Pb levels >500 times higher than regulatory limit in India, Pakistan, and Nepal
•Projected blood lead levels exceed reference levels by >10-fold due to turmeric
•Spices represent an understudied source of lead poisoning globally
13   HeadSet   2026 Jan 19, 6:18pm  

goofus says

The mix includes lead chromate, which is also bright yellow, and highly neurotoxic.

You may be surprised if you check out cinnamon. Most brands have a damaging amount of lead.

https://www.consumerreports.org/health/food-contaminants/high-lead-levels-in-cinnamon-powders-and-spice-mixtures-a4542246475/?msockid=02bc18ca42ef616c1aa60bd443bd6039
14   Patrick   2026 Jan 19, 7:00pm  

I later read that some people are just genetically predisposed to liver damage from turmeric and pepper:

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(22)00740-9/fulltext


HLA typing demonstrated that 7 patients carried HLA-B*35:01, 2 of whom were homozygous, yielding an allele frequency of 0.450 compared with population controls of 0.056-0.069.

Conclusion

Liver injury due to turmeric appears to be increasing in the United States, perhaps reflecting usage patterns or increased combination with black pepper. Turmeric causes potentially severe liver injury that is typically hepatocellular, with a latency of 1 to 4 months and strong linkage to HLA-B*35:01.
15   SharkyP   2026 Jan 20, 2:27pm  

so is excessive Turmeric consumption, one of the best natural anti-inflammatory condiments).

Yup, I had a friend who had his eyes turn yellow from excess turmeric…
16   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2026 Jan 20, 2:57pm  

So I was shopping for salt at the local super. Came across a brand with Yellow Prussiate of Soda in it. WTF? Looked it up and put it the fuck back.

Yellow Prussiate of Soda (YPS, Na4[Fe(CN)6]·10H2O) is an approved anticaking agent in table salt. Given that it is a cyanide salt, its use as a food additive is surprising.
17   Patrick   2026 Jan 20, 6:53pm  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Yellow Prussiate of Soda


Yes, that's strange. Don't let sunlight shine on it:


Despite containing cyanide ligands, it has low toxicity because it does not readily release free cyanide under normal conditions; the acceptable daily intake is 0–0.025 mg/kg body weight. However, exposure to strong acids or UV light can lead to the formation of highly toxic hydrogen cyanide gas.
18   goofus   2026 Jan 21, 1:20am  

Patrick says

Al_Sharpton_for_President says


Yellow Prussiate of Soda


Yes, that's strange. Don't let sunlight shine on it:

Despite containing cyanide ligands, it has low toxicity because it does not readily release free cyanide under normal conditions; the acceptable daily intake is 0–0.025 mg/kg body weight. However, exposure to strong acids or UV light can lead to the formation of highly toxic hydrogen cyanide gas.



Like pH 2 stomach acid. “Food science.” How many Frankenstein potions hide behind the GRAS (generally regarded as safe) category?
19   Robert Sproul   2026 Jan 21, 6:48am  

goofus says

How many Frankenstein potions hide behind the GRAS (generally regarded as safe) category?

"The U.S. doesn’t maintain a single definitive tally of all GRAS substances; many are self-affirmed without FDA notification."
"Self affirmed" by industry. LOL.
20   Patrick   2026 Jan 21, 2:02pm  

goofus says

Like pH 2 stomach acid.


Good point.
21   clambo   2026 Jan 21, 5:24pm  

Alcohol in the body is converted to acetyl aldehyde, which is poisonous.

Aldehydes are all toxic; would you drink a shot glass of formaldehyde (formalin)?

There is no level of alcohol consumption which is entirely safe; how much poison you like your body to process is up to you.
22   Patrick   2026 Jan 21, 7:06pm  

Grok:


Acetaldehyde → Acetate (via aldehyde dehydrogenase, or ALDH enzyme, primarily ALDH2 in mitochondria): Acetaldehyde is rapidly converted to acetate (acetic acid), which is much less toxic and harmless in small amounts.

Acetate is then further broken down into water and carbon dioxide (or used for energy via the Krebs cycle).

The critical factor is that ALDH is extremely efficient in most people:It has a very low Km (high affinity for acetaldehyde), meaning it works quickly even at low concentrations.

Acetaldehyde levels remain very brief and low (typically in the micromolar range, e.g., ~1–5 μM in normal individuals after moderate drinking).

Dose matters hugely: Moderate intake (e.g., 1–2 standard drinks) produces acetaldehyde at levels the body's ALDH can handle quickly. The toxin is detoxified almost as fast as it's produced.
23   mell   2026 Jan 21, 8:41pm  

clambo says


Alcohol in the body is converted to acetyl aldehyde, which is poisonous.

Aldehydes are all toxic; would you drink a shot glass of formaldehyde (formalin)?

There is no level of alcohol consumption which is entirely safe; how much poison you like your body to process is up to you.

The any amount of "poison" is harmful assumption has been contradicted by empirical studies. Apart from the fact that it's quickly broken down during low to moderate consumption, the same has been said about radiation.

However studies have shown that people often live longer (with lower cancer mortality rates) in places with moderate to high background radiation. Hormesis is believed to be a major factor for this phenomenon.

There is likely something similar at play for alcohol, which would explain the Mediterranean/French paradox.
24   clambo   2026 Jan 21, 9:31pm  

Why do you have a hangover?
Because you consumed a toxic chemical previously.
25   Patrick   2026 Jan 21, 9:46pm  

Too much of it.
26   Ceffer   2026 Jan 22, 12:39am  

Sorry to burst the alcohol industry propaganda bubble. Maybe they should buy her off.

I would say the nicotine stuff makes it a daily double.


original link
27   HeadSet   2026 Jan 22, 3:14pm  

clambo says

Why do you have a hangover?
Because you consumed a toxic chemical previously.

Actually, the hangover is from dehydration, which in addition to the other deleterious effects.
28   HeadSet   2026 Jan 22, 3:15pm  

Patrick says

Acetate is then further broken down into water and carbon dioxide (or used for energy via the Krebs cycle).

More for making a beer belly.
29   HeadSet   2026 Jan 22, 3:18pm  

Patrick says


Too much of it.

If you can feel any effects, that is enough to do damage.
30   mell   2026 Jan 22, 3:55pm  

HeadSet says

Patrick says



Too much of it.

If you can feel any effects, that is enough to do damage.

Again this is not a scientific method. You could say the same thing about exercise, but the interim side effects (soreness, tiredness, even hypoxia) make you stronger in the long run.

There are plenty of meds which can cause herxheimer reactions or similar interim effects but actually heal your body.

Its totally possible and conceivable that there is a sweet spot at a specific dosage, and it may not 100% coincide with whether you feel any side effects or not, though often side effects indicate a problem, esp. when severe.
31   Patrick   2026 Jan 22, 5:04pm  

Literally the oldest human ever, Jeanne Calment, drank port every day and lived to be 122.

That anecdote is special because she is the record holder, and definitely drank alcohol.

But it also holds statistically. People who never drink alcohol are certainly reducing their own life expectancy. Brave AI:


Light drinkers have a lower risk of premature death compared to teetotalers, according to multiple studies analyzing large populations. A key study published in PLOS Medicine using data from nearly 100,000 U.S. adults aged 55 to 74 found that individuals who consumed seven alcoholic drinks per week—about one drink per day—had the lowest combined risk of dying or developing cancer over a nine-year period. This group showed a 7% lower risk of early death or cancer diagnosis compared to lifelong teetotalers.

However, this protective effect is seen only in light drinkers. Heavier drinking—three drinks per day—increased the risk of cancer or premature death by 20%.
32   Patrick   2026 Jan 22, 5:06pm  

https://theconversation.com/light-drinkers-at-a-lower-combined-risk-of-earlier-death-or-developing-cancer-98404



Graph is somewhat contradictory to previous comment, not showing the 20% increase in death at 3 drinks per day, but the general idea still holds that a small amount of alcohol has some protective effects.

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