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Let's cut the crap on H-1b abuse: The H-1b program is in essentially every single case simple abuse, wild-eyed racism through the effective of the "caste" system into the US and destruction of the wage base .vs. the claimed purpose of the program.

In truth the H-1b garbage and the tech firms, including Elon's, shilling for it is nothing more than the same bullshit run by the construction industry when it comes to illegal aliens putting on roofs or farmers and picking strawberries. Neither industry wants to pay Americans a living wage and so both look for ways to cut their costs and stuff the rest of the money in their pockets. Breaking the law doesn't matter to them and yes, essentially every H-1b as currently used is breaking the law because the law requires first a diligent search for American talent at the wage said talent will accept and then, and only then you must pay more to legally use H-1bs. This is never the case, and the job-shop crap is even worse which I will go into detail on below. The so-called "tech bros" all know this, all exploit this and every single one of them should be imprisoned for suborning it, abusing Americans and foreigners alike.

One of the more-common abuses is to list a "job opening" that has a litany of "requirements" that no reasonably-skilled person in-field actually meets but magically some H-1b person "does." Or so they claim; said person really doesn't have five years of experience in the entire list proffered, but this is the basis of their claim "there's no American who can do this job." As someone who has more than forty years in the computer field as a programmer, networking and systems guy I can spot those "ads" instantly; every one of them is a fraud and used solely to avoid hiring an American. Let me be clear: The posting of a single one of those ads is proof of fraud and thus a felony for which the posting entity should be instantly arrested, indicted and everyone involved in it imprisoned.

If you really are an "exceptional" individual in-field you have no need for H-1b at all irrespective of your nationality; the claim that this program actually provides "exceptional" talent is a bald-faced lie that we must not tolerate in any venue. If you are truly exceptional in your field you can apply for and get an O-1 visa which allows you to work for three years in the United States, it can be extended for additional one year terms indefinitely, it has no tie to a specific employer so you can follow job opportunity or set up your own firm unlike the H-1b that does not and thus forces the holder to stay with the sponsoring company or depart the US, it can form the foundation (assuming you aren't misrepresenting anything and really are exceptional and prove it once you get here) for permanent residency and of course that, over time, can lead to citizenship.

So why don't they do that? Because nearly all of them are not really more-skilled than an average person and further if they were they'd turn their own nation into a technology powerhouse since they have four times our population or more and plenty of natural resources.

H-1b visas as illegally exploited today by industry are essentially indentured servitude. The worker is captive to the employer who sponsors the visa and what's worse is that an entire consulting industry has risen up around these things that siphons off a huge percentage of the pay; many of these people make only the minimum of about $55,000 a year with the rest going to the consulting company which is a direct violation of the intent of the program that is supposed to only allow their use at above-market wages. Of course this means the "employee" winds up working 80 hours a week for 40 hours of $27.50/hr in pay.

No, $55,000 for a "skilled" tech worker who is then expected to work double time for no extra money is not an above-market wage anywhere in the United States. It is in fact way below any such skilled position's wage and in addition that "wage" being that its a contractor position does not include either taxes or benefits.

I know multiple young men and women who, knowing my history in the tech sector from worker bee to CEO asked for my opinion on going to college and entering tech careers a decade or more ago and I warned them of the rise of this program and its abuse -- and that given the cost of a degree unless they had a full ride scholarship it was quite dangerous because they could end up with quite a lot of debt and then be undercut by an Indian on an H-1b who makes a hell of a lot less and they'd have no way to possibly survive and pay down their debt on that wage.

I'm aware of more than one of said young men and women, a few of who are definitely in the top 2% on an intellectual basis (that is, Mensa material and potential future superstars) who completed highly technical degrees with high honors and then left the tech industry entirely and don't work in it today. I do not know if they got directly fucked by the H-1b program as the reason but I bet at least in part it was due to lack of satisfaction with offered working conditions which is driven in large part by this insanity.

Those individuals have deliberately given the finger to the American tech industries despite having the intellectual and educational chops to be top engineers and possibly discover and implement breakthroughs that would change our lives. It is only reasonable to believe they made this decision to stick up their middle fingers due to external market conditions beyond their control and H-1b abuse is a big part of it. And by the way they are also not having kids either; by their actions they have zero intention of putting another generation in that position and this is despite having found an apparently-permanent heterosexual relationship.

Further, many of these so-called "technical people" on H-1bs, particularly from India, have bogus certificates and degrees that demonstrate nothing; they are really no better than an American with no experience who went through a couple of week bootcamp in Android programming or similar. There is utterly no reason that any of those people should be here instead of Americans doing those jobs; if the job is within their capabilities the average High School graduate can, with nothing more than a High School level of education, learn enough to work at that level inside of a few weeks time in learning.

But will they do that for $27.50/hour when they're treated like human trash and members of an "inferior caste" on the job? Not when they can make $20/hr doing what amounts to a near-mindless job at Buc-Ees and punch a clock with no project pressures and related BS -- they can do that instead with a reasonable path to being an assistant manager at over $30/hr and if they stick with it management jobs in that company, which you really can attain, come with a $100,000+ income over the space of a few years!

What's worse is the staunchest defenders of this crap are Indians who came here either on O-1s or otherwise managed to get out of the H-1b trap themselves and stay -- and now are either in those firms as management or running the job shops fucking all the other H-1b workers for 30+% of the billed hourly rate. They have now brought the Indian caste system with them and have to a large degree codified it into the United States workforce and thus love the job-shop abuse crap that goes on in the tech industry and it shows inexorably in the composition of the workforce that winds up under and around them over just a few years time.

You don't have to look beyond simply walking in the door or touring the neighborhoods where these workers live to see the racial discrimination against everyone other than them and just like every slavery system crafted through history its all about the money.

All of this must end; it is wildly illegal and found everywhere in the tech industry. Those who truly are exceptional, irrespective of nation, can already come here via the existing O-1 visa program which is purely merit-based and has exactly zero "pull" capacity by job shops and others who would seek to exploit those in other lands. The existing H-1b program does that in spades and effectively has become an import of the Indian caste system into the tech industries.

That is not embodiment of American values, it is illegal under federal anti-discrimination laws, it has been increasingly exploited to drive down wages and push Americans out of tech jobs and it must be entirely ended with prejudice right here and now as it is in fact no different than exploiting illegal Mexicans to put on roofs and pluck chickens.

If Trump does not do so then his claim of intent to "Make America Great Again" is just another political LIE and YOU are going to get it further up your ass as an American for the benefit of those who are not.
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The main innovation of Silicon Valley was H-1B visa abuse. Well-known secret.

Under the guise of "meritocracy," tech companies rejected qualified American students to hire cheap, indentured foreign labor.

I rage quit my tech job when I realized it was an immigrant abuse farm.

Patrick says

Another is they are captive to their original employer, so the employer has leverage over them. These H1-B workers are not going to get poached by another tech company. That is because "H1-B portability" is likely not common.

It is significantly advantageous for American corporations to hire H-1B in our country and outsource jobs to foreign countries. Corporations are doing it for only dollars. I hope further changes to this shit program are in the pipeline.

Along with H-1B, gov is now looking at another interesting category: lottery per county! This is a non merit category run every year.

This is what I voted for.

They can pay them less, but most of all, no unemployment when they cancel a project. CA and NY have very limited exceptions (ie they found another job that starts before 60 days but still maybe a month out, but that's minimal) Another massive advantage for employers to seek H1Bs.

Hassan and Ramesh and Wu don't get months of unemployment when Apple cancels the iDildo.

Making employers pay H1Bs unemployment benefits as Citizens would be a great reform.

When I started my h1b stint during the peak of the dot com boom everybody and their mother was employed and they still needed workers. You couldn't find an apartment or hotel to stay at, and we camped out in our cars and medical rooms. Eventually the craig motel (rip 2004) in palo alto had an opening and provided time to find a roommate situation.

It didn't start feeling like an immigrant abuse farm until a few years later when the bubble had burst. The dot com heydays were great and it was fantastic to be part of it. Californication was the peak music album for the heydays. It's good though they're putting and end to the abuse. Especially those indian bench farms have just been ridiculously exploiting the program.

Patrick says

Motherfucker!

Modi is scared.

We also need a stop to Healthcare and Financial record keeping and customer service being based outside of the USA.

It's insane that your Credit Card or Medical Records are in another Country, and serviced on literally the other side of the world.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

We also need a stop to Healthcare and Financial record keeping and customer service being based outside of India.

It's insane that your Credit Card or Medical Records are in another Country, and serviced on literally the other side of the world.

I have steam for our businesses hiring practices. I call it “anyone but Americans hiring system”.

Edited my post above. Had a brain fart and said "based outside of India". I mean the USA, but was thinking of those accounts being serviced in India.

Reports: India Demands Migrant Visas for Job-Seekers in Trade Talks

Indian diplomats want the draft U.S.-India trade deal to welcome more Indian job-seekers into the United States, say U.S. and Indian media reports.

“Indian officials will ask US trade negotiators this week to ease access for thousands of skilled workers, a person familiar with the matter said, days after President Donald Trump’s abrupt announcement to restrict H-1B visas,” said a September 24 report in TheHinduBusinessLine.com.

The report, which is attributed to Bloomberg News, adds:

Indian negotiators led by Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal will raise the issue of movement of skilled professionals, such as IT workers, in their current round of trade talks in Washington, the person said, asking not to be identified because the discussions are private.

Trade talks up to now have centered around easing access for goods only, but Trump’s latest crackdown on [H-1B] immigration have pushed New Delhi to widen the negotiations to include services industries, such as IT. India’s economy is heavily skewed toward services, which make up more than 50 per cent of gross domestic product.

The reports suggested that India’s government wants to expand the one million-plus population of Indian graduates who are now in the white-collar jobs needed by Americans. Each year, at least 400,000 additional Indians arrive to work U.S. white-collar jobs legally or illegally, so pushing a huge number of American graduates into lower-tier jobs, such as coffee barista.

But Indians may also want to send more low-wage workers into U.S. jobs via the H-2A, H-2B, B-1, and M-1 visas for trade school students. Many Indian migrants use B-1 tourist visas to work as illegal truckers and cargo handlers on U.S. freeways.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/09/25/reports-india-demands-more-migrant-visas-in-trade-talks/

MolotovCocktail says

What a direct contrast to this dumbass Democrat senator:

MolotovCocktail says

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DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Reports: India Demands Migrant Visas for Job-Seekers in Trade Talks

Yeah. They want it codified by Congress.

I think this is a face losing mistake for New Delhi. Because they aren't going to get this, I think. Thus their opposition is going to rip Modi a new one for failing to do so.

After all, they got what they wanted from the Brits on this from. Even an exemption for their workers in UK from paying payroll taxes.

Yeah, whatever happened to all those laid-off factory workers who were told "learn to code?"

Now we have STEM coding graduates being fucked over, just like the factory workers in the 90's, for H1B bullshit.

It was always a scam, aided and abetted by the very government "we elected."

Fuck this shit.

MolotovCocktail says

I think this is a face losing mistake for New Delhi. Because they aren't going to get this, I think. Thus their opposition is going to rip Modi a new one for failing to do so.

How about they just get jobs in India? Novel concept. I know US companies abuse it for lower wages, but much of the money is going back to India. No different than illegals from Mexico and Central America. There's a reason Trump created MAGA. Wish these other countries would do that for themselves instead of on the backs of Americans. They don't and then blame us. It's the twilight zone when people, Americans, get upset about Trump's move on H1-B's.

Another thing that should not be permitted is health and finance information being serviced outside the US.

It simply should not be permitted, either outsourcing OR contracting.

Has to be 110% inside the USA subject to US laws by US citizens with no foreign ties.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Another thing that should not be permitted is health and finance information being serviced outside the US.

It simply should not be permitted, either outsourcing OR contracting.

Has to be 110% inside the USA subject to US laws by US citizens with no foreign ties.

Absolutely.

WookieMan says

MolotovCocktail says

I think this is a face losing mistake for New Delhi. Because they aren't going to get this, I think. Thus their opposition is going to rip Modi a new one for failing to do so.

How about they just get jobs in India? Novel concept. I know US companies abuse it for lower wages, but much of the money is going back to India. No different than illegals from Mexico and Central America. There's a reason Trump created MAGA. Wish these other countries would do that for themselves instead of on the backs of Americans. They don't and then blame us. It's the twilight zone when people, Americans, get upset about Trump's move on H1-B's.

I wonder why there are so many security breaches in medical information - could it be that the chindians are selling the info?

stereotomy says

I wonder why there are so many security breaches in medical information - could it be that the chindians are selling the info?

The access to US networks and data from the 3rd world shitholes should be banned by the Congress. This would instantly solve the outsourcing, the data theft, the security breaches and tech jobs/salaries stagnation.

Grok sez:

The post accurately reports the U.S. government shutdown's impact on the Department of Labor's Office of Foreign Labor Certification (OFLC), suspending processing for H-1B, H-2A, and H-2B visas as of October 1, 2025, due to a funding lapse that disables key systems like the Foreign Labor Application Gateway (FLAG).

This halt affects over 85,000 annual H-1B visas typically certified via Labor Condition Applications (LCAs), creating delays for employers and potentially opening more opportunities for U.S. college graduates in tech and seasonal sectors.

Replies reflect mixed sentiments, with some users celebrating reduced foreign competition and others noting potential loopholes, underscoring ongoing debates about immigration's role in the labor market amid the shutdown.

I remember attending town hall meeting of a politician several years back. He was a democrat, also gay (lol). Anyway, I recall him telling the attendees..."Is the government your mother? No... don't trust it".

H-1B visa holders are paid approximately half of what an American corporation would have to pay a citizen employee. (they use a structured system).

Looks like word is getting around...

gabbar says

H-1B visa holders are paid approximately half of what an American corporation would have to pay a citizen employee. (they use a structured system).

Not since Obama: he put a floor under it. I know an H1B guy who instant 35% salary bump because of it.

Pausing, not stopping. Maybe for 10 minutes.

Patrick says

Pausing, not stopping. Maybe for 10 minutes.

Pausing to strategize and finding long term workarounds.

gabbar says

Patrick says

Pausing, not stopping. Maybe for 10 minutes.

Pausing to strategize and finding long term workarounds.

It’s not complex. Finance guys open up excel spreadsheet and add numbers to see which costs less.

https://x.com/HumbleFlow/status/1988710579398201525